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SuezanneC Baskerville

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09-07-2007 22:08

So who is being characterized as a sweatshop running witch in this thread's title?

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Nina Stepford

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09-07-2007 22:44

obviously ms chung is.

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

So who is being characterized as a sweatshop running witch in this thread's title?

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Shez Oyen

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09-07-2007 23:18

From: Lexxi Gynoid

ah well . . . I do not particularly like guilds . .. nor do I shop at Wal-Mart . . guess I'll go naked then . ..

Run naked! Drink beer! Like the ol' man said when he kissed the cow "Everyone to their own taste, pass the pie."

While I'm here... I had a falling out with SLX some time back and don't like to do biz with them anyway, but I do look up stuff there and then use search in world to find the creator so they don't have to pay the kickback to SLX.

Daisy Rimbaud

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09-07-2007 23:18

From: Aleister Montgomery

That's true. In my opinion, most SL items are already ridiculously underpriced. I've created content for both 3D applications like Poser and for the SL market; the amount of work is the same. But while content for Poser sells for $10 - $30, most SL designers sell their works for less than $2 (L$540). If anything, the market could use higher prices.

Poser content has a much higher value than SL content, to be honest. It's raw material for other things down the line. If I spend $20 on something for Poser, I then use it in renders - which I will then publish, and in some cases earn money myself.

Buy a dress in SL, you wear it for a day or two, think "that looks nice", and then it goes back to the bottom of the inv.

VooDoo Bamboo

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09-08-2007 01:13

One thing right after another as of late with SL.... 10L! LMAO I don't think so... If she floods the market with this crap people will jsut stop making things. Its just not worth the time and effort at that price range. Shes not trying to help anything but herself. SL is going to get to the point that unless your in here just to hang out its not worth it. Alot of items are way under priced now in SL. This would just bottom things out completely.

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Kitty Barnett

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09-08-2007 03:12

From: Daisy Rimbaud

Poser content has a much higher value than SL content, to be honest. It's raw material for other things down the line. If I spend $20 on something for Poser, I then use it in renders - which I will then publish, and in some cases earn money myself.

Is Poser content DRM-restricted like SL content? If it's not, that fact alone justifies the higher price.

SL content may be "cheap" on the whole, but you also don't get a whole lot out of it since it can't be backed up, can be used only once (or can't passed on to a new account), and has very limited (mod still doesn't come close to getting a copy of the textures along with an item) ways of reuse/modification (or none whatsoever in the no-mod case).

At one point or another most of the current content will become obsolete so it's limited in time as well (the avie mesh desperately needs work, but would likely mean that every piece of clothing and skin becomes worthless unless you choose to look outdated).

Ciaran Laval

Mostly Harmless

Join date: 11 Mar 2007

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09-08-2007 03:20

One person shouldn't be able to wield this much power. Maybe they can't and the venture will fail but if other businesses shut up shop and leave I don't see how that's good for SL as their bread and butter income comes from tier fees and land sales. You're going to have to shift a lot of L$10 items to keep paying your fees.

Strife Onizuka

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09-08-2007 03:21

I think the bulk of the thread has crossed the line into Private Discussion, I have reconsidered my previous decision and will be closing this thread.

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The Sweatshop, the Witch and the 10L$ Wardrobe
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	09-07-2007 22:08 So who is being characterized as a sweatshop running witch in this thread's title? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Nina Stepford was lied to by LL Join date: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 3,373	09-07-2007 22:44 obviously ms chung is. From: SuezanneC Baskerville So who is being characterized as a sweatshop running witch in this thread's title? _____________________ SLU - ban em then bash em! ~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html
Shez Oyen Tree Hugger Join date: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 208	09-07-2007 23:18 From: Lexxi Gynoid ah well . . . I do not particularly like guilds . .. nor do I shop at Wal-Mart . . guess I'll go naked then . .. Run naked! Drink beer! Like the ol' man said when he kissed the cow "Everyone to their own taste, pass the pie." While I'm here... I had a falling out with SLX some time back and don't like to do biz with them anyway, but I do look up stuff there and then use search in world to find the creator so they don't have to pay the kickback to SLX.
Daisy Rimbaud Registered User Join date: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 764	09-07-2007 23:18 From: Aleister Montgomery That's true. In my opinion, most SL items are already ridiculously underpriced. I've created content for both 3D applications like Poser and for the SL market; the amount of work is the same. But while content for Poser sells for $10 - $30, most SL designers sell their works for less than $2 (L$540). If anything, the market could use higher prices. Poser content has a much higher value than SL content, to be honest. It's raw material for other things down the line. If I spend $20 on something for Poser, I then use it in renders - which I will then publish, and in some cases earn money myself. Buy a dress in SL, you wear it for a day or two, think "that looks nice", and then it goes back to the bottom of the inv.
VooDoo Bamboo www.voodoodesignsllc.com Join date: 4 Oct 2006 Posts: 911	09-08-2007 01:13 One thing right after another as of late with SL.... 10L! LMAO I don't think so... If she floods the market with this crap people will jsut stop making things. Its just not worth the time and effort at that price range. Shes not trying to help anything but herself. SL is going to get to the point that unless your in here just to hang out its not worth it. Alot of items are way under priced now in SL. This would just bottom things out completely. _____________________ VooDoo DESIGNS www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	09-08-2007 03:12 From: Daisy Rimbaud Poser content has a much higher value than SL content, to be honest. It's raw material for other things down the line. If I spend $20 on something for Poser, I then use it in renders - which I will then publish, and in some cases earn money myself. Is Poser content DRM-restricted like SL content? If it's not, that fact alone justifies the higher price. SL content may be "cheap" on the whole, but you also don't get a whole lot out of it since it can't be backed up, can be used only once (or can't passed on to a new account), and has very limited (mod still doesn't come close to getting a copy of the textures along with an item) ways of reuse/modification (or none whatsoever in the no-mod case). At one point or another most of the current content will become obsolete so it's limited in time as well (the avie mesh desperately needs work, but would likely mean that every piece of clothing and skin becomes worthless unless you choose to look outdated).
Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	09-08-2007 03:20 One person shouldn't be able to wield this much power. Maybe they can't and the venture will fail but if other businesses shut up shop and leave I don't see how that's good for SL as their bread and butter income comes from tier fees and land sales. You're going to have to shift a lot of L$10 items to keep paying your fees.
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	09-08-2007 03:21 I think the bulk of the thread has crossed the line into Private Discussion, I have reconsidered my previous decision and will be closing this thread. Forum Guidelines Private discussions – the forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life. Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc. Action: Lock Reason: Private Discussion Source: Many ARs _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey

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