a TOS question

Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.

Was this on a roleplay sim?

This is always a difficult one. In roleplay you sometimes need to produce your logs for roleplay validation, though most are happy with it as know it's necessary.

I have had the situation before being a roleplay mod that someone took a picture of another AV to show invalid roleplay and passed it to me. The next moment I had the other person shouting and yelling in IM about how they are going to take legal action on having picture taken without consent etc.

Maybe due to the fact I have roleplayed, I tend to work on the fact that anything you say can and may be used in evidence against you. Saying that, if I happened to see that in someones profile I would assume they are out for drama and avoid. Chances are though I would never see it as don't go round reading profiles of everyone I stumble across.

This will counter your 'legal binding notecarded im's'. You are not allowed to notecard my IM's, unless you state in the window, you are recording them. If you do not, you will be taken to court for you have not provided me with a warning. If you say bullshit, this is the same as saying in a blanket term (I can do whatever I want with your im's)...so, not you can't. Lawyered.

Its a ToS violation that is only enfroced if you post it within linden controlled space.

But...

It is still a ToS violation if you post it outside of Linden space - and they could decide to enforce that with a ban or other punishment at any time...

Actually no they can NOT enforce it out of Linden space. A newbie Linden once tried, and had her hand slapped for it. I'll see if I can dig up the relevant posts.

That was Meta, IIRC. An incident best left in the past, IMO.

But do roleplay and other sims realize that when they ask someone for a chat log they are asking them to break LL's rules?

Sort of the same thing as "if I put this in my profile I can."

1) Whether you/they have read this posting or not, we hereby clearly notify specifically you and any other persons on behalf of our client who deny our clients permission to record their chat that our client wishes not to be recorded, quoted, copied or reproduced by you/them in Group Chat, IM, via chat written on prims, arrangement or sculpting of prims or voice even in local chat when not directly conversing, and therefore advise you and those parties that you/they must turn off any chat logging immediately and completely for otherwise meeting our client inworld or even entering the same sim or group IM would result in recording of our client's conversation therefore putting you/them in direct violation of their rights under the TOS enabling directliability for further legal action incuding all court costings for any legal proceedings ensued to obtain financial compensation for commercial, physical and emotional damages caused by you or those parties in any circumstances whatsoever.

2) If you/they do not state openly here that you/they have chat logging turned off and will not ever use the feature or turn it on within 30 days of this date, representing our client we must assume you/they are still using it forcing our client to AR you/them on sight or entering any communication distance or even common group IM for direct violation of our client's rights under the TOS and possibly initiate further legal action.

3) Our client also renounces you/them all permission on any pre-recorded material to this date, hence you/they must immediately search all your logs/recordings of all Chat/Voice and delete any recordings, copies or quotes of our client's conversations and state you/they have done this within 30 days or be guilty of violating our client's rights under the TOS and therefore be liable to an AR and further legal action.

10) Furthermore if anyone/avatar wishes to deny our client the right to repost their content from these forums and still retain the right to copy, then you/they too must here agree to the above conditions within 30 days hence automatically denying them any permission or rights to repost or have reposted any of my material precluding use of the inbuilt quote tool. This permission is also denied to any parties denying our client permission to record their chat or conversation or Voice and wishing to retain permission to record our client inworld.

11) You/they further more must state here that you/they will not copy any content that our client has posted on the forums from the forums to any other media as this is also a violation of TOS forcing our client to report you/them to LL and possible further legal action.

99) Precluding the inbuilt quote feature of this forum, our client also denies specifically you the real world person operating the SL avatar "Dick McMinnar", all alternative accounts and all parties representing you/your avatar permission to copy/reproduce any of our client's posting or content from within SL or these forums including this document.

500) If at anytime you have been declared a "blithering stupendous pre-natal idiot" by our client or a representative of our client has declared you a "blithering stupendous pre-natal idiot" you are to subject to the denial of permission to copy, quote or repoduce any communication or content produced inworld or the forums by our client in anyway at all, in any circumstances.

600) Anyother condition we feel like adding.

666) Not agreeing to these conditions or failing to respond within 30 days of this date constitutes agreement to these conditions and liability for all consequenses in any circumstances to all travel, transport, accommodation, meals, alcohol, fuel or ammunition usage, injuries, casualties, damages, collateral injuries, collateral damages, collateral casualties, pie, cleaning expenses, taxes incured and legal costings, armaegeddon ensured in the process of any legal, commercial, diplomatic, economic, international, physical, psychological, biochemical, nuclear or supernatrual action initiated by us or our client in any Virtual World, Forum or on any plane of existance in any of the 5 known and other unknown dimensions.

Boyd Dewey Cheatem and Howe; Lawyers,

Actually no they can NOT enforce it out of Linden space. A newbie Linden once tried, and had her hand slapped for it. I'll see if I can dig up the relevant posts.