i saw this in a residents profile -
DISCLAIMER: I REMAIN THE RIGHTS TO PUBLISH ANY IM CHAT AT ANYTIME.
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT, YOU MAY NOT SPEAK IN IM'S OPENED BY ME OR YOU AND CAN THEREFOR NOT BE ABUSED
Am i confused or isn't publishing IM's a violation of TOS no matter what?
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Petr Vanbeeck
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11-30-2009 09:24
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Melita Magic
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11-30-2009 09:24
I would say it is, but only a Linden can really answer this, I think.
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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 09:26
Publishing such chat is definitely against the ToS and having that statement in his profile doesn't change anything. However, there is nothing to prevent anyone from publishing chat on non-LL websites.
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Melita Magic
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11-30-2009 09:28
Fairly ghastly manners to do so, as well.
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Rime Wirsing
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11-30-2009 09:32
Bad enough to have that in the profile - but does the person open every conversation with the same disclaimer? If not then it's a double-whammy.
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Melita Magic
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11-30-2009 09:33
It's easy enough to just refuse to speak at all with that person - in most instances, at least. But, I meant publishing chat or IM elsewhere. That's pretty low in my opinion.
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-30-2009 09:36
I would probably spam a ton of IMs at them, sending them the TOS on this, over and over...
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Melita Magic
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11-30-2009 09:37
LOL!
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Meade Paravane
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11-30-2009 09:46
/me points at https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/tnt/blog/2009/11/25/quicktip-getting-an-attachment-out-of-your-body-really#comment-770317.
Heya Torley, Over at forums.secondlife.com, there's a topic which will soon qualify as a FAQ.. Seems like some people are putting stuff like "I reserve the right to publish any IMs and chat anywhere, any time. If you don't agree with this, do not IM me" and such in their profiles. Once every week or so, we're seeing people ask about this. With the gteam office hours having poofed, any chance you'd like to do up a video about the privacy rules in SL or what Lawyer Linden thinks about such profile statements or something? It'd be great for us to be able to point people to an official answer - all we can do is speculate on how the gteam would react... :\ TY!! _____________________
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Marianne McCann
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11-30-2009 09:52
i saw this in a residents profile - DISCLAIMER: I REMAIN THE RIGHTS TO PUBLISH ANY IM CHAT AT ANYTIME. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT, YOU MAY NOT SPEAK IN IM'S OPENED BY ME OR YOU AND CAN THEREFOR NOT BE ABUSED Am i confused or isn't publishing IM's a violation of TOS no matter what? I know the governance folks have actioned on stuff like that before, so I assume they would still. Just because you put that in your profile does not change the TOC/CS. _____________________
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Hikaru Yamamoto
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11-30-2009 09:58
someone told me it was against the TOS to copy and paste IM chat to someone else. Its not be published but is this still against the rules?
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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 10:01
someone told me it was against the TOS to copy and paste IM chat to someone else. Its not be published but is this still against the rules? _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
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11-30-2009 10:08
there is no loophole that lets a resident bypass the TOS..
if you give them permission it is one thing but they can not make you give them permission.. _____________________
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Meade Paravane
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11-30-2009 10:13
someone told me it was against the TOS to copy and paste IM chat to someone else. Its not be published but is this still against the rules? It is absolutely against the rules, if it's being sent to somebody in LL's domain. If it's pasted to some external (non secondlife.com and not in-world) place, LL has no control over that and it's not subject to the ToS. _____________________
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Nika Talaj
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11-30-2009 10:27
If I saw this in someone's profile, I would drop them a very friendly IM mentioning that their doing that is against the Terms of Service, and thus exposes them to losing their account.
If I knew the person, I would be more insistent about it. |
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Ceka Cianci
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11-30-2009 10:31
If I saw this in someone's profile, I would drop them a very friendly IM mentioning that their doing that is against the Terms of Service, and thus exposes them to losing their account. If I knew the person, I would be more insistent about it. here is a good one.. just IM them saying hello hello read my profile.. then in the profile have.. By answering my IM's you give me the permission to nuke your ass..put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye cause here it comes _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
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11-30-2009 10:35
Would it be within the TOS if names were removed and the transcript looked like this:
[xxx] blah blah [You] yadda yadda ? _____________________
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Meade Paravane
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11-30-2009 10:40
Would it be within the TOS if names were removed and the transcript looked like this: [xxx] blah blah [You] yadda yadda ? That'd be a great question for the gteam office hours. Last update is that they were cancelling the rest of the meets for 2008 and would resume the next year. edit: /me looks nervously over her shoulder. Er.. They're a great bunch of folks, though. Really. I'm sure they're just really busy. _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
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11-30-2009 10:41
Would it be within the TOS if names were removed and the transcript looked like this: [xxx] blah blah [You] yadda yadda ? ya ..we do that in here all the time.. i guess as long as other names didn't pop up in the sentences..but i'm not sure about that part..i just know you are keeping names out doing it that way.. ETA: you would have to look at any private information in them also..like someones home address and things like that also.. _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
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11-30-2009 11:14
So then what's the issue?
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11-30-2009 13:28
If I saw this in someone's profile, I would drop them a very friendly IM mentioning that their doing that is against the Terms of Service, and thus exposes them to losing their account. If I knew the person, I would be more insistent about it. What fun is that? I say let them carry on like a self important jackass. It' good wholesome entertainment. _____________________
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Kara Spengler
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11-30-2009 15:17
Am i confused or isn't publishing IM's a violation of TOS no matter what? Yes, it is. Those 'disclaimers' get quite vocally defended by the people that use them but everyone (I think I even saw a Linden in one convo) agrees they mean nada. _____________________
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Innula Zenovka
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11-30-2009 17:01
Yeah, I don't see how one of those disclaimers changes anything. Ultimately, I guess what matters is how LL respond to an AR from someone whose IMs were published, and if LL think these blanket disclaimers aren't worth the pixels they're printed on (?) then they're not, and no amount of bleating "but she gave me permission.. it says so in my profile so it must be right" is going to change that.
Having said that, I'm not sure what action is taken anyway. Some months ago a friend of mine was furious when someone she'd IMd with a business proposition -- offering do some custom animations for the exclusive use of his RP group -- declined the offer 'cos they couldn't agree a price (basically, he wanted them full rights) and then took it upon himself to send a notecard of the conversation to all his group (a couple of hundred members at least, from memory), with a commentary to the effect this shows what a great guy he is, trying to get them the lowest possible prices for stuff he sells them. And, though this was maybe not his intention, thus making her out to be a rapacious and greedy bitch, or so she felt. She AR'd him and, or so they told me, did several members of the update group who were pretty shocked at this sort of behavior. Nothing ever seemed to come of it.. he certainly didn't seem to vanish from SL for even a day or so, and the offending notecard stayed up for the normal time. |
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Melita Magic
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11-30-2009 17:01
here is a good one.. just IM them saying hello hello read my profile.. then in the profile have.. By answering my IM's you give me the permission to nuke your ass..put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye cause here it comes /me roffles |
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Mocha Edenflower
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11-30-2009 17:18
i saw this in a residents profile - DISCLAIMER: I REMAIN THE RIGHTS TO PUBLISH ANY IM CHAT AT ANYTIME. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT, YOU MAY NOT SPEAK IN IM'S OPENED BY ME OR YOU AND CAN THEREFOR NOT BE ABUSED Am i confused or isn't publishing IM's a violation of TOS no matter what? Its a ToS violation that is only enfroced if you post it within linden controlled space. But... It is still a ToS violation if you post it outside of Linden space - and they could decide to enforce that with a ban or other punishment at any time... |
