Protection of Residents II

Oh - I didn't notice it was you.

Pep (I thought it was another Jig after the other one had deserted the forums . . .)

That was the shortest alliance on record.

Just browsing through my junk email folder, I have mail from wassim dongo, Mr. Karrim (twice), Mrs. Omar and Ali Adama, all telling me heartbreaking tales, all asking for my help, all promising me a huge financial reward if I send them my bank details. Now, which is more helpful ...

1) tell people not to trust emails from wassim dongo, Mr. Karrim etc.

2) tell people not to trust emails from anybody with a hard-luck story who is offering a great reward in exchange for use of your bank account (even if they are a Nigerian prince)

Here's what I hope is a constructive suggestion ... don't bother to name the scammers but educate people about the scams, either inworld via your group or on an external forum. That way, nobody ends up on a blacklist (or grey list) and nobody benefits from coming back as an alt not on the list to try the same scam again. This won't work for every random griefing attack - that's what mute, eject, ban and ultimately AR are for, but it will provide useful information for new residents on the sort of things to beware of.

Don't you mean codes of *immoral* behaviour?

Pep (The ToS is a business document, a completely different thing)

To the OP: This sort of thing has been tried before. Everything from "vigilante" groups who supposedly were formed to combat griefers, to an SL "Better Business Bureau".

Every single one of these efforts failed, for the same reasons people have been putting forth here ... lack of accountability, inability to verify allegations, anonymity of both the complainer and the accused, and gaming of the system.

Your best bet is to keep your own "better dead" list. Share it with your friends if you want. But don't try to make an "official bad boy" list and publish it. You are asking for trouble.

Let's take a concrete example. As sweet and sunny as I am, I have still managed to annoy one or two people in Second Life. Let's say one of these persons submits my name to your group and I find myself on your list. About ten minutes after I find out that I'm on your list, three things are going to happen:

1. I will send you a very nasty IM.
2. I will ban and mute you and any of your group I can identify
3. I will file an AR against you with Linden Lab.

Now...multiply my reaction by however many names you have on that list. And have a nice Second Life!

(Seriously...I'm not mad at you. I am just trying to illustrate what'll happen the moment you start publishing stuff like this).

Banlink sort of works because of it's limited scope. Which I see as identifying event and parcel griefers. The Op's idea is far too ambitious. So my only suggestion would be to pick a particular problem to address.

This.

I can recognize crooks and scammers quite well. I don't need anyone to give me a list of them. If someone is victimized, then a report should be made, and LL should deal with it. If they aren't capable, then I guess you can start heading out to Peggy's "Better World". I'll shut the lights out for you.

Sadly we USAers deserve some of the low opinion the rest of the world has of us these days. Many of us over here are deeply ashamed of some of the things that have been done in our name.
And yet I personally know and know of many Americans whose lives are full of compassion and significant contributions to the welfare of others. They stop and pull you out with their 4 wheel drive vehicles when you get stuck in snow. They mow your lawn when you're sick, they spend their spare time tutoring at risk kids and gathering supplies for homeless shelters. Some of them are willing to die for their country and some of them, like my brother, have been standing on the same street corner every single Friday afternoon since March 2003 protesting the U.S. led invasion of Iraq and urging that our troops come home.
And I believe most of us take pride in dealing fairly and honestly with everyone we meet.

I meant sl behaviour. Iwouldn't dare comment on rl morality in the USA, Kaimi, I don't have enough experience.

Pep (Although most of it was really good!)

Oh - I didn't notice it was you.

Pep (I thought it was another Jig after the other one had deserted the forums . . .)

Do you like sex?
Do you like travel?
Then YOU know what to do - Eff off.

Ah nostalgia!

Pep (I remember that dissing from 40 years ago; it was thought smart among thirteen year olds)

Actually I think I fancy you.

OK, how about the OP answering a few questions...

1. Would you be providing verifiable RL identification for yourself and any others responsible for managing this list?

2. What qualifications do you have for acting as arbitrator when people challenge the information on this list?

3. How will the evidence be obtained or presented to prove the allegations of wrongdoing?

3a. Chat logs? Sharing of chat logs in-world or on Linden Lab forums is a violation of TOS. Would those then be posted on a 3rd party site? How would you validate that those logs had not been altered without access to the Linden Lab servers?

Without some sort of validation to ensure the accuracy of the evidence provided, it is then simple hearsay. In which case, my statement in post #2 of this thread stands.

I am not unsympathetic to the problem you are trying to address. I just don't believe you have any chance to succeed in the manner you have proposed. There is no reason anyone should trust your list to be fair or accurate.

What steps would you take to ensure that the person filing the complaint exercised due diligence prior to engaging in the transaction?

People need to stand up and take some responsibility for their own actions.

If you really feel that you have been a victim of fraud then file an abuse report with LL. If enough people report the same problem then maybe LL will take action.

Telling the OP it's been done before and failed is not constructive.......how about offering help? Oh shit........you couldn't do that now, could you?

Have *you* any suggestions?

McCarthy WAS right. He was just 50 years too early.

Have *you* any suggestions?

I do!!

No Blacklists.

Anything else you want to know?

Yeh, like actual suggestions. As opposed to "Ask so-and-so" or "ask me in-world". We can't shoot them down if you don't set them up for us.

Because, you see, not everyone DOES think that this is a job that needs to be done, or even that should be attempted.

Personally I can see a person feeling left out if your name isn't on one of these lists coz it kinda means you have fame in the sl world.
What do you have to do to get on teh list?
What is teh reward if you are spotted?
Can you be arrested?
Will you be sent to jail?
Its actually quite exciting - being a bandit and kinda sexy too. I imagine me in tats and slinky as my name gets flashed across sl screens - "Jig spotted in Fluff Garden Paradise - approach with caution - she's HOT!!!"

No. You just get adopted........