Betting over "escorting"

When I first joined SL I was a rabid consumer of escort services (until an unfortunate wrist injury...) and while it is impossible to gather concrete data on these things without voice/webcam (and yeah, even those aren't completely foolproof) I was left with the impression that about 60% were housewives and 40% were college girls. However, of those, probably 10% or so were actually dudes :/

ah, so you were a strip club dj, too? good money there, rl and sl!

And about escorts all being men, I don't get it, why would they enjoy emoting about some other guy's balls?

So you just concentrate on their penises then?

I find it amazing how people start to make all kinds of negative assumptions over anything involving women -real or imagined or virtual-, and especially when it involves women using their sexuality.

I agree. What's wrong anyway with a mother or a college girl or any woman using their sexuality to pleasure men (and themselves in the process). Even in sl, escorts get the worst "press" yet they perform an essential service and give happiness to many men.

I add that many of the men who are members of sex groups and clubs are also clever, well-spoken and role-play to suit many woman's needs.

I wish I could say I was surprised.

Frankly, I avoided adding to this thread because I was unsure I'd be able to stop a rant from coming on. The wretched and outdated stereotypes about women, their RL roles, and their sexuality that are thrown out in the OP, and then, in some cases, elaborated upon in later posts . . .

Grrrrrr!

/me exits before the full force of rant mode kicks in . . .

"Pserendipity Daniels runs his fingers over your keys."

"Pserendipity Daniels tickles your ivories."

"Pserendipity Daniels thinks that the short avatar is A Minor."

Pserendipity Daniels says: Bach
Ay Noob says: wb

No, that's what Arnie says when asked which classical composer he'd like to play.

Pep ("I'll be Bach"

PS It's counterintuive in Welsh.

Yes, this is very true of my experience. I often found that the actual 'physical' element of the connection became quite a minor part of it too.

One I will never forget was a really nice and courteous man who said he would love to be 18 again, proudly taking his dream date to the prom. So I dusted down my nicest formal and enjoyed a lovely hour's dancing and roleplaying at Sweethearts. He was great... the excited kid talking about all his future hopes and dreams. I loved it.

So after a while we tp'd out to a quiet sim to sit on a bench, watched the sunset and chatted. As we went on, some of his RL began to come out and I could sense he was not in a happy place. OK, back to the dancefloor. Back to telling each other risque jokes and laughing together.

By now time was moving on and I only had about half an hour left in SL, so he asked me back to the sunset island for a little while. There he told be about his RL. About how, at the age of 73, he had lost his partner of 40 years six months earlier. And how that evening was the first time he had laughed in a long long time.

I began to move physically closer but he wouldn't. He said that to do anything like that would spoil it. He also tried to pay for my time but I couldn't possibly take his money. That too would have spoiled it.

Perhaps the thing here is that we're lumping too broad a range of experiences under the umbrella term 'escorting': experiences like the above, 20 minutes of frantic hoo-haa and everything in between.

Jesus Christ, Scylla. The women playing escorts in SL do so of their own accord, regardless of RL profession. Just back the fuck off for once.

I'm not exactly sure how the roles mentioned explicitly by the OP could be classified as wretched, outdated stereotypes.

To be frank. I'm not entirely sure when the terms Mother and Housewife could be classed as even pejorative.

The crux of the matter is simply this.

1. Does a subset of female SL residents spend time as escorts in SL?
2. Does a subset of that subset comprise Mothers?
3. Does a subset comprise Housewives?
4. Do they choose to perform the escort activity as part of their recreation?

If you have issues with the taxonomy applied here, then I suggest that it's you who are a little outdated in your perspective.

While I understand that feminists of the Ms Friedan (mainly active 1968 to 1976(ish) )ilk, looked disdainfully on the term "housewife" as a means of marginalising women, it's also true that modern woman are embracing the role and choosing to fight for the role to be given the recognition and associated fiscal support that it deserves.

Oh dear. I clearly should have kept rant mode on a bit longer . . .


I quite agree, Oryx. Where in my post did I suggest otherwise?


I think you entirely misunderstand my comment, which is probably my fault for not elaborating more.

One of the most astonishing accomplishments of that astonishing generation of feminists -- what we sometimes today call "second wave feminists" -- was to fight for the right of women to CHOOSE. And although there were some who were, as you say, disdainful of "housewives," their ire was invariably directed at the implications of that role as it was established or imposed by a male-dominated culture. It is a disservice to these women, and an enormous simplification, to suggest that they denigrated the choices these women made for themselves.

I entirely agree that women who choose to stay at home and tend to their family, rather than pursue a career, are not only entirely within their rights to do so: I applaud them for their self-sacrifice, and agree that this very real work needs to be recognized and remunerated appropriately. My own mother chose to abandon a promising career in journalism, and stay at home to look after me and my siblings. I adore her for that decision: my childhood was immensely the richer for it. What I regret is the kind of condescension with which the "admission" that "Oh, I am just a housewife" is still met. And I despise the fact that my mother is made to feel somewhat embarrassed that she didn't "make more of herself." In fact, she made a great deal of herself: she is one of my idols.

Feminism has hardly been behind in celebrating motherhood. I will likely never be a mother myself, but that's a personal, not an ideological choice. I esteem mothers enormously: they willingly undertake a daunting task that, arguably, I am too selfish to undertake myself. So rest assured that I do not denigrate mothers.

What I DO denigrate is the entire premise of this thread, which is actually built on the underlying assumption that most escorts in SL are either 1) neglected housewives or 2) bored mothers. It is THAT premise that stereotypes and derides these roles, not my response. And thanks to continued representations of women in this way in the media -- I think of Desperate Housewives, for instance -- this kind of stereotype will probably continue to thrive.

Where is the thread asking "How many male escorts are bored homemakers?" Or "How many male sex trade customers are humiliated office lackeys?" These stereotypes don't have the quite the same presence in our culture that those about women and sex do, so we won't be seeing threads like that.

The TRUTH is that the social roles and motivations of women who choose to become escorts in SL are as varied and individual as the women themselves. This kind of neat pigeon-holing into two-dimensional social cliches is condescension of the worst sort.

In my case, I love the feeling of an orgasm

- and sl is a safer place to meet men and have unprotected sex with no consequences in a physical sense than about one billion other places I can think of.

Hmmm, this thread has got me thinking! I should seek out a back street or an empty room somewhere and cast my net. Men - in sl and rl - are lovely, complex creatures arent they?

And that's entirely cool. More power to you and your orgasms!

I must go off soon but thanks Scylla. Sex tends to be seen as a furtive "rudie" thing to do but why should it be so? It's physical and needful and natural. Why do people think it's got to be a "dirty" thing even today when we know that consenting adults have needs and sl even has places that provide for those needs?

You ain't gonna get an argument from me on this score, Jig.

Have a good one! (Um, whatever that "one" might happen to be . . .)

And you know what?
I just saw a friend of mine yesterday with her "permanent" bf in real. He for the first time. And I was feeling just a littte low coz I'm not attached at the mo'. Anyway, I heaved a sigh of relief and thanked my middle finger coz this boyo was so typical of teh sort of hanger-on that women who have careers and are "attractive" tend to end up with - you know the kind - with a look of the Neanderthal about him and that "so what?" attitude. They all have it - even the business and entrepreneeur types.
No thanks! I'll stick to singlehood for a bit longer! And play teh field in sl.

Isn't it funny how nature has a way of encouraging the perpetuation of the species.

Pep (Those with counterproductive ideas don't have children. Win!)

Hang on. I was SURE you had kids . . .

Unfortunately modern society has removed all of the protections nature provided to keep the halfwits from breeding. Watch "Idiocracy" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ to see where we are headed. The idiots are out breeding everyone else.

Maybe we need to release some lions on the concrete savannah. You know, most of us computer nerds are slow and out of shape though. We'd get eaten.

And isnt it amazing how its the MEN who THINK they are the selectors of the appropriate mate? My choice not to have children is not dependent on my own body but is more slanted to assess the mate. So far, no one grabs my attention. I have pianos and paintings that I prefer. And I can eat as happily on my own as watching a man snarf it back and snout their way throgh the trough.

I think there should be a licensing agency for parents but BOTH male and female must apply. I hesitate to think of what Pep's criteria for a perfect mother might be.

I have a dilemma there, I must admit.

Pep (Since only females can give birth.)

I am one with nature.

Pep (*not* "Mother" nature.)

Not if Arnie has his way!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110216



Father Time?