SL family roleplay: impossible now?

I'm not a member of an SL family, but I kind of like having them around in SL, so long as they underplay ikklespeak. I also think that family roleplay can provide a way for folks whose own RL family experience has been difficult, to feel their way toward a healthier vision of family life.

So, with this new definition of PG, would it be impossible for SL kids to coexist with SL parents? Specifically, I think the presence of any sort of cuddle pose would necessitate a Mature rating, and SL kids can pretty much be AR'd for spending much time in a Mature sim. Visiting one, probably OK -- living there/owning/spending time, dubious.

RL parents will cuddle and occasionally kiss. In fact, it's necessary in order to teach kids that physical affection is OK. Do SL families do that now? I can think of a couple of harmless Pillowtalk pillows where you can alternate between a kiss and a simple cuddle.

I suppose all such affection between "parents" would have to be simply verbalized now. Seems a pity.
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In a sensible world, this "issue" would b e solved by the application of a swimple and widely understood principle: Don't do it in the road.

Of course, it remains to be seen whether LL will be sensible.

LL should stop trying to define things, generally people know what PG is and they know what mature is.

In fact LL should just stop this nonsense full stop and go back to the drawing board but I suspect there's a hidden agenda at play because it simply doesn't add up.

My God, he's like The Wind.

...and this is one of the reasons why i've been involved in a lot of this. SL kids can indeed still coexist with their SL parents. I still have the same M parcels as always, and there is not a lot of likelihood that I would have to move them.

Who in the heck knew that a word like swimple is trademarked and a brand name of those swim goggles that kids use in pools?

http://www.tyr.com/shop/swimple™-p-359-c-68_70_74.html

Merely being present on a Mature sim has never, ever been legitimate grounds for an AR against a kid av. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, or that no one with a kid Av has ever been suspended unfairly, but it's not against the rules.

The rules about sexual ageplay are specifically about sexual stuff. There are tons of places in SL that are on mature sims, with no sex involved, and no problem for kid avs. Unfortunately, many people don't understand this and create problems for those running kid avs.

there used to be a time that a child av could be in a nudist area that had a no sex rule without problems, then harry linden took over the governance team and it was nolonger alowed, so it won't surprice me if they limit child avs even more.

actually some had, especially at the beginning of the report your neighbor debacle... and child av's are still regularly discriminated against by paranoids land managers with frequent ban/eject/AR's (though I haven't heard of any account bans by LL on the issue recently)

Hmm I failed to notice the bit where avatars hugging was deemed adult activity, anyone got a link? I didn't see anything saying you can't RP family life on PG and Mature land.
I also don't remember anything about child avatars being banned from all Mature sims.
When there are kids allowed on the main grid then people will be able to RP family life with their RL kids. As evenbtually all the land deemd Mature now could end up as PG anyway.
But please do keep the hysterical exadurations and interpretations coming.

I think it is fairly obvious that the attitude to kid avatars will change with the Adult/PG continent physical split.

On the Adult continent it will be almost impossible for kid avatars to file successful ARs, since they have demonstrably chosen to go to a place which is Adult, and on the PG continent adults will be assumed guilty of just about anything a kid (avatar or real, eventually) accuses them of. The burden of proof will be completely different dependent upon the location.

Pep (Suits me: it will end up with almost no kids - real or avatar - on the adult continent)

It's also obvious that the more who-ha created over the change of land ratings will result in greater profits by some people in the landmarket at the expense of the majority.

Probably, but I think the big profiteer in all this will be Linden Lab. For all the brouhaha now, eventually the average landowner will end up paying for more square meters of pixels because one Mature parcel can no longer support everything from cuddling to crucifixion.

As to family roleplay: I think this change could be to the benefit of family roleplay in general and kid AVs in particular. A Mature region should be rather less of an AR trap for kid AVs, if LL has moved all it deems "Adult" out of view. (There's still the "private residence" allowance, so yeah, a kid AV could still get framed into an AR, or for that matter, random spurious ARs can be issued with impunity anywhere. But at least it's one more bit of supporting argumentation: "How could my AV be involved in anything bad? LL was responsible for moving all the bad stuff, so don't blame me if you didn't do a good job of it!"

Umm I don't think the average mature land owner is going to lose anything, because believe it or not we aren't going to all sell up and rush to the Adult continent, very few will.

Adult businesses will move but LL has stated a number of times that avatars engaging in adult activity with another avatar is no problem on their mature land, and who's going to do all this witchhunting & ARing anyway?

I don't give a real crap what the neighbour and guests get up to in the skybox/plot next door, it would only be ARable if it were an Adult business or some extreme activity really.

This gets better every post it started with cuddling being illegal on Mature land and now it's sex as well, touching other AV's will be illegal next

Awesome!

Irrespective of any new rules.............

Do we still think that ANYTHING which happens INSIDE your house (with curtains/blinds closed) so no-one can see (unless they choose to "Cam-In) is always acceptable?

Or are we going to have a situation that even naughty things inside your house are not allowed just in case a RL child might be camming inside houses nearby?

I fear the latter is the ultimate destination of the current slippery slope

This is exactly the kind of misunderstanding that will spread fear, alarm & drama across the grid. I can see LL buried in pointless ARs at a time when they need to focus their efforts on transferring properties to Ursula.

Nika: Please, read the current guidelines on Adult content. Here they are.

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010

At no point are hugs and cuddles rated Mature, let alone Adult. In case you've missed the relevant bit, here it is:



I can think of very few places in the real world where hugs and cuddles would be considered "expressly sexual" by anyone.

Next, take another look at the first line of that extract. Regardless of what you're doing, you must be advertising or publicly promoting the content or activity to require the Adult rating.

That's pretty much what Blondin said at his office hours yesterday. If it's not advertised, you can do whatever you want in your private dungeon.

Will it really play out that way? I guess time will tell.

wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute.....I haven't had my coffee yet.....but.......aren't CHILD avatars, manned by ADULTS anyway? So....wtf cares if mommy and daddy avatar have a swing hanging from their ceiling.......their kid's a 27yo who most likely has a REAL swing hanging from her REAL ceiling.

Ok, that's all I'm gonna say.......I don't do SL family either.....but I absolutely don't care that anyone else does.....and I think it would be ludicrous to prohibit the very presence of child avatars in certain areas.....and among their own RP family. It's just stupid...there's no other word. We are so friggin spun up in this country about PR and not offending anyone....it's insane, it really is.

ok...I said I wasn't gonna say more......lol oops......

coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Obviously not, since sexual ageplay is against the rules anywhere, anytime. It has nothing to do with the possibility of RL underage peeping toms.

But I think that, along with certain broadly offensive symbols (which I won't name to avoid tripping Godwin's law), may be the only things not allowed in such private residences.

I wish it were that simple.

However, Adult includes extreme violence, while the ageplay policy doesn't. In theory, one could have a dark roleplay sim tagged as Adult, but for which it's ok for kid avs to participate. They might have to prohibit or segregate rape scenes, but that's certainly possible.

Furthermore, I expect the guidelines around classifying violence to be even more vague than around sex. So I wouldn't be surprised if some people operating such sims choose to label them Adult just to err on the side of caution, even if the majority of people would have no problem with underage avs participating. One example that comes to mind is Harry Potter, with the werewolves ripping apart their victims (and no fair saying that the age of majority for wizards is only 17). The books aren't that explicit, but people doing it as a RP sim may take it further.

You've missed my point. I said that kid avatars would have little chance in succeeding with any ARs in the Adult continent, ie they wouldn't stand much of a chance of successfully lodging a complaint at *anything* that happened after they had been given fair warning to remove themselves. In fact, simply by remaining in an Adult area in such circumstances a kid avatar would face a prima facie harassment charge.

Pep (It would therefore become very easy to tell kid avatars to "get off my lawn"! )

That's what they've said unofficially in forum posts and brown bags. What they've said officially in the FAQ is what the G-Team will use to make determinations.

Anyone who doesn't own Adult land is screwed. Or they will be, if they try to be.

I supposedly racked up one the other day while around the Moose Beach Infohub. As their AR was solely because I was a child avatar, and they were also using griefing objects on me at the time (which was the basis of my own AR), I did not worry much about that. A great deal of the time, the GTeam has to circular file "kid standing here" ARs. If only they'd clear up that language issue (call the category "sexual ageplay!".

I *do* know of one recent large-scale ageplay issue that involved several IP bans and the loss of an island, so there *are* still actions being taken. What was going on there, however, was far beyond "family roleplay."



Right. The children people might be thinking of, here, are likely older than the lion's share of adult avatars.

/me grumbles about a so-called "police" guy yesterday who harassed a kid avvie at my store, assuming she was RL underage because she was a kid avvie.



Right: the current policies involving sexual ageplay would prohibit rape scenes, etc., but extreme violence could/would put it on Ursula or an adult verified island.



That's what I've heard both from that same office hour, during many times before, and at the "brown bags." A lot of issues between what is public and what is private, and a lot of "do what you wanna do behind closed doors" (as in, not advertised) is supposedly okay.

That said, I don't see that in the written policy, and I think that's a large part of the reaction here. I do hope they revise it to make that at least somewhat clear. LL policies, however, aren't known for their plain speak.

Sadly, I suspect the whole get gets to go through the same level of uncertainty that all us child avatars had to go through in 2007.