Private Sims not adult?

So, my main works security at a club in SL. Recently I got into a discussion with the boss, and it left me a little confused.

The club has dancers that get nude. Sometimes their emotes with the patrons or each other can get a little... interactive. That made me wonder.

Do emotes like that warrant as Adult content, and not Mature (the sim's current rating)?

So, I talked to the owner and suggested it. She proceeded to tell me that since it's a private sim, despite the public club, it doesn't have to be classified as Adult. That only applies to mainland, and per Erica Linden, we're safe.

Now, no matter what the content is, I thought even privately owned sims, if open to the public, were subject to the new Maturity Ratings. Am I wrong?

Me thinks the owner may be wrong. But this whole adult thing is rather convoluted to me.

Wrong, tenfold. Estates have to be flagged as adult, too, if they have adult content openly accessible and even advertised.

I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

That would put businesses on private islands at a significant advantage over those with identical content who were forced to move to Zindra.

That is definitely wrong, however it would depend how interactive they're getting in that club.

Estates have not had any help from Linden Lab over this issue.

What a twisted web, etc.

There's no exemption for private estate sims: if they have public adult content, they must be marked with an Adult rating.

On the other hand, it's open to interpretation what is and isn't "adult content". Nude dancing is probably okay, but if the parcel name or description contains "adult words"--stuff that gets filtered out in Search--there's likely to be a problem. Supposedly, if a place is listed in search, that makes it public, and supposedly public sex is adult content--for some interpretation of "sex". See if you can divine wtf this means:
On the other hand, (Those quotes from .

So, who knows?

So the question becomes, are emotes considered depictions of sexual activity, or only pose balls/images?

Depends on what is emoted and how explicitly, I'd say.

In this interview a few Lindens explain that you can do whatever you want on an estate, the deciding factor was whether you list it in search... http://cdn3.libsyn.com/copperrobot/Copper_Robot_Lindenpalooza.mp3?nvb=20090721222829&nva=20090722223829&t=01dbc0aae06eb595a2364

Following all this from the start it seems to me it boils down to whether you get AR'd or not.

Public adult content must be on an "Adult" sim, however the definitions are hazy enough to allow for G-Team inconsistent responses to AR's.

Is it worth the risk?

^^This. (^_^)

Really. I know plenty of skin and fetish clothing stores on (PG) estate land with nipples and all on display. If a nutcase vigilante decided to hop around and check the parcel rating ~vs~ the content on the vendor boards, they could make an AR killing. (^_^)

But.. Ain't anybody done it yet, so, the stores are still in operation and making TONS of money. (^_^)

So, really... If we could ALL get off our bloody high horses and stop ARing people for petty things, this won't be a problem. (^_^)

This is the problem with PG, I'd consider a nipple a "parental guidance" issue myself. There are lingerie stores in pretty much every major city on the planet, and some small ones!

To further my example. I know of a couple skin vendors that ~did~ get in trouble over exposed nipples. (T_T)

Benny, I recall reading this also, but I can't remember who said it. If I was the owner of that club I would continue with business as usual. If LL wants to give the owner a hand slap then he'll know for sure.

Would it not be easier to ask one of the Lindens? Well, their answers seem to change by the minute so I wouldn't waste my time.

Certainly, private sims will have, sooner or later, to flag as adult if that's what they need to do. Blondin Linden has said at his office hours that his best guess is this will happen late August, when using the 1.23 viewer becomes compulsory for accessing SL (they are trying to deal with some bugs first, I gather, which is nice of them).

At this point, as I understand it, the search filters will kick in and, I suspect, a lot of people will find their adverts don't appear any more until they reflag their land.

I think this is going to be yet another horrible mess, because all of a sudden lots of people who thought, "this only affects the mainland" are going to wake up finding that their businesses need to move because they're on a sim whose rating is inappropriate for them, either because they need to be on an adult sim or because the fact they're on an adult sim when they don't need to be is needlessly reducing the visibility of their adverts.

I'm not reflagging my islands till I need to, because they're primarily residential and I don't see the point in inconveniencing people before I have to, but my tenants have, without exception, said they want me to flag the places as adult.

That's not because they want to hold wild orgies but because they want to continue under the same laissez-faire regime we thought we had anyway (do what you like so long as you don't upset Innula or the other tenants).

Oh don't worry about it. I'm sure the Lindens will give you advance notice that this is coming....wouldn't they?

(I ache from laughing right now)

Right and the only problem is if you try to pose a classified for said sim, you can only list as pg or mature. As of last week anyway.

According to LL, if you have a club, burlesque is mature and sex rooms are adult.
I'm not sure what "burlesque" actually means however.

i think "burlesque dancers" don't wander off with you in a back room, no matter how much L$ you offer.

from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlesque:

This!

Is it really a petty thing if you're playing by the rules, have shipped your business off to Zindra and limit your customer base to verified accounts, while your competitors refuse to?

Who would decide what is petty and in any case if it is against the Terms of Service or the Community Standards it is wrong in absolute terms. The only way to stop trivial ARs is by changing the rules so that they are specific and sensible.

As someone who has played by the rules here I all for anyone who doesn't want to.

I think that anyone who has been given the move to zindra should seriously consider keeping their mature shop open. In theory the worst that will happen is you'll get an AR and then be told to clean up or have the shop returned.

I do regret closing my mainland shop down rather than keeping it going until told not to.

Usually I would say one in all in as I'm a terribly rules based person but really why should everyone have to suffer because of the poor implementation of this? and why are we allowing a culture of turning resident against resident to develop?

Ll may say that gaming the system is officially a no no but their policies are designed so that gaming appears to be the most desirable behaviour.

meh


As for private sims, LL employees have said on more than one occasion that this primarily concerns their mainland holdings. The implication being that any responsibility for breaches on private estates is with the estate owner. They have also said that if they find an estate owner who has not flagged the correct maturity rating they will talk to them about it and force a rating change if necessary.

So why would anyone chose to reduce their income for no other reason than others are? This is sl you know and self interest prevails.

If the sim is only open to certain people, and not open to the public, it could have the rating set to PG for all LL cares; if it's private, and not advertised that is. But it really depends on just how private this club is. If any noob can TP there, it's not private and has to be properly rated.

I have made open and direct appeals to this effect. Most of the time, I've merely gotten the typical non-responses I'm used to. Or, once in a while, I'll get "we can't provide the level of granularity you're asking for." (T_T)

As a result, my own response is; Give it the unimportace it deserves. (^_^)y