Seeking True SL to RL Love Stories for Online Publication!
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Randoym Randt
SL2RLlove.blogspot.com
Join date: 2 Sep 2007
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09-02-2008 22:02
From: Lucrezia Lamont I think the OPs concept is good and with the right idea. Most "average Joe/Jane"s really take a critical eye to romances borne from computer to computer interaction (BBS', chat rooms, forums, SL etc.).
However, most of us (those who embrace technology) recognize that you can meet a romantic partner in SL, on a BBS, in the supermarket, at a party, at a bar, through the old pen friend system and more.
As Ghosty and the others said.
But I think having some sort of "proof of story" in a website format might be nice for the naysayers -- although they may still naysay.
And Bunny Boilers (Fatal Attraction reference) can be just easily found in the person you hook up with a bar, party or from the 'net. They are everywhere. Media just enjoys sensationalizing the uncommon and adding fuel to the fire of "OMG, da intarwebs be corruptin' and filled with teh evol". Agreed on all points. I wrote more about the myths of online love (and you can find several articles on the blog about research and anecdotal/story evidence that online is still "real"  . In any case, the blog entry is here: RL Factors in SL Love, Why It WORKS http://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/08/rl-factors-in-sl-love-why-it-works.html if you're interested. LULZ to the "boring" comment. I guess if he'd be willing, I'd be happy to repost his story for him to see if indeed it is unusual.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-02-2008 22:08
From: Moop Zipper Maybe your story is boring. not sure why you felt the need to insult me my story is far from boring but I choose the people I wish to share it with and how much I share of it if it was on a blog, then I would not have that choice would I?
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-02-2008 22:10
From: Randoym Randt LULZ to the "boring" comment. I guess if he'd be willing, I'd be happy to repost his story for him to see if indeed it is unusual.
if you are refering to the comment directed at me, I do not find it very funny that someone felt the need to be blatently insulting and I am not a he... and I do not wish to place it on your blog, especially now that you show that you find it funny when another is insulted in that their life story (which is so very similar to your own) is boring...
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Randoym Randt
SL2RLlove.blogspot.com
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09-02-2008 22:13
From: Rhaorth Antonelli not sure why you felt the need to insult me
my story is far from boring but I choose the people I wish to share it with and how much I share of it
if it was on a blog, then I would not have that choice would I? Well, you can certainly post it anon if you like, and keep all the real glory for those you want to share it with. If it is indeed that special, it would seem that sharing it would be particularly useful to others who are searching for that miracle. I don't know how boring my story is (came here to meet him first time from other side of planet--literally--, and we got pregnant within three days, so I never left?) but it won me a cover story in a rag/mag here in the AU that circulates to like a million people or so...and they paid me $700 for it, which helped us given our current baby expenses. Drop me a line, seriously...I'm interested! [email]sl2rllove@gmail.com[/email]
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Randoym Randt
SL2RLlove.blogspot.com
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09-02-2008 22:15
From: Rhaorth Antonelli if you are refering to the comment directed at me, I do not find it very funny that someone felt the need to be blatently insulting
and I am not a he...
and I do not wish to place it on your blog, especially now that you show that you find it funny when another is insulted in that their life story (which is so very similar to your own) is boring... I'm not a "he" either, but people mistake me for one because of my name...don't take it personally. I didn't think that comment was particularly insulting. If you had TOLD us the "book worthy story" and someone called it boring, then YES, take that personally. But if you claim that the story is book worthy, then don't share it, I suppose the xcitement factor is open for debate. 
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-02-2008 22:19
I never claimed it was book worthy others said I should write a book
I can not help if it people do not understand that
I do not wish to share it publicly that doesn't mean I have anything to hide or that it is boring it just means I value my privacy which is becoming less and less each day in this world we live in
and I am sure I am not alone, I am sure there are many more out there who do not wish to share their life story with the world, in all the little details
what might seem exciting to one, could be boring to another
*shrug*
I am done here, good luck with the baby and everything
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Randoym Randt
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09-02-2008 22:38
From: Rhaorth Antonelli I never claimed it was book worthy others said I should write a book
I can not help if it people do not understand that
I do not wish to share it publicly that doesn't mean I have anything to hide or that it is boring it just means I value my privacy which is becoming less and less each day in this world we live in
and I am sure I am not alone, I am sure there are many more out there who do not wish to share their life story with the world, in all the little details
what might seem exciting to one, could be boring to another
*shrug*
I am done here, good luck with the baby and everything Thanks, I mean for the nice baby comment in particular!! Fair enough, if you don't want to share, but...why did you post that you have a good story f you didn't wanna share it? Just curious...of course I don't expect you'll answer but...*tease* Anyhow, regarding personal lives and sharing stories...if you or anyone else share their story anon, or even using your SL first name (not last), how is doing that going to invade privacy? I never thought I was "that special". I mean, I don't take myself nearly that seriously...like people are lookin' to stalk me as if I'm famous, worthy of stalking, or something similar. I'd suggest we give up waaaay more of our privacy through commenting in forums if we're using a full SL name and are therefore google-able. Also, a page long story can't contain very many "details"...certainly not too many, anyhow.  I wouldn't in any way call one page a "life" story as much as a love story. 
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Moop Zipper
Justice Kitteh
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09-02-2008 22:54
From: Rhaorth Antonelli not sure why you felt the need to insult me
my story is far from boring but I choose the people I wish to share it with and how much I share of it
if it was on a blog, then I would not have that choice would I? statement, not insult. cry moar.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-02-2008 23:15
From: Randoym Randt Thanks, I mean for the nice baby comment in particular!! Fair enough, if you don't want to share, but...why did you post that you have a good story f you didn't wanna share it? Just curious...of course I don't expect you'll answer but...*tease* Anyhow, regarding personal lives and sharing stories...if you or anyone else share their story anon, or even using your SL first name (not last), how is doing that going to invade privacy? I never thought I was "that special". I mean, I don't take myself nearly that seriously...like people are lookin' to stalk me as if I'm famous, worthy of stalking, or something similar. I'd suggest we give up waaaay more of our privacy through commenting in forums if we're using a full SL name and are therefore google-able. Also, a page long story can't contain very many "details"...certainly not too many, anyhow.  I wouldn't in any way call one page a "life" story as much as a love story.  well leaving out all the personal stuff my story is just like anyone elses girl and boy meet in SL girl and boy meet in RL girl and boy get married in RL all the stuff in between is the stuff I refer to as personal and once again I never claimed my story was good, I just said that others said it is good as for using first name only, as far as I know, I am the only Rhaorth on SL, no one else would want such a strange name, and if they did, I would have to wonder why LOL just what kind of info are you looking for? that would cover an entire page? I consider my story just like anyone else's story on the net, that fall in love on line meet in RL and the feeling remains the same and to moop... what the hell is moar? as for it being a statement, your statement is false, my life is not boring, I would not consider it book worthy either, however some do *shrug* not sure how you can make a statement about someone's life whom you know nothing about (what you see here on the forums is not my life LOL, far from it)
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Randoym Randt
SL2RLlove.blogspot.com
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09-02-2008 23:44
Hey, Thanks for writing again, seriously, I'm not being a smarty pants here. If you don't want to use your SL real name, then pen names work too, whatever works. I'm open. An example of a story is here in two parts (these just went up a few days back): http://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/09/engineering-love-part-i-sl2rl-love.htmlhttp://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/09/engineering-love-part-ii-sl2rl-love.htmland there's a fairly informal version of my own story here from when I started this in May: http://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/05/hi-friends-ive-been-working-in-computer.htmlI'm seriously doing this to help people believe in the possibilities more, and the effects SL can have in RL. Almost everything I've posted to the blog up to now is plain old scientific studies and other people's research. I figured it would also be helpful to post some qualitative evidence, too (that's not about hot media topics like axe murderers or stalkers or "cheating" or cyber sex only).  Hence, the ask.
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Ephron Thielt
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09-03-2008 01:46
you mean to say that SL can lead to RL babies???
ee gad!
*runs away waggling arms and hooting*
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
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09-03-2008 05:27
From: Randoym Randt Same as what's in it for me. Nothing but the glory of love, I suppose. WOO_HOO! I'm not making money or asking for money, not even a click thru. Doin' it because I can! What people seem to be missing in the argument that "of course peole fall in love on SL...it's all just real people" is that when your RL family and friends find out you're making decisions in your life based on an online relationship they know nothing about and have no influence over, they get a bit...mmm...suspicious, worried, rightfully concerned, think you're nuts, try to talk you out of it, etc. In my case, I sold all my stuff to finance my trip to the AU, and **I hadn't met him in RL**--nope, not even once--before I arrived (AND I ended up pregnant within about three days of arrival). Twas a bit shocking to my mom, to say the least (and yeah, I'm 39!). IMO, don't underestimate the effects of SL2RL Love on those around you. Hence, the common embarassment and confusion people feel...particularly if they are, say, already married/partnered in RL...which many people that fall in love on SL are. And on a p.s. note...there are very few SL2RL Love stories documented online... And on another p.s. note... http://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/07/meeting-people-on-sl-that-read-about-us.htmlAnyhow, thank you to anyone interested in writing. I think you should trawl the archive here personally, for things people have already willingly posted.
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Cherry Czervik
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09-03-2008 05:27
From: Rhaorth Antonelli well leaving out all the personal stuff my story is just like anyone elses
girl and boy meet in SL girl and boy meet in RL girl and boy get married in RL
all the stuff in between is the stuff I refer to as personal and once again I never claimed my story was good, I just said that others said it is good
as for using first name only, as far as I know, I am the only Rhaorth on SL, no one else would want such a strange name, and if they did, I would have to wonder why LOL
just what kind of info are you looking for? that would cover an entire page?
I consider my story just like anyone else's story on the net, that fall in love on line meet in RL and the feeling remains the same
and to moop... what the hell is moar?
as for it being a statement, your statement is false, my life is not boring, I would not consider it book worthy either, however some do *shrug*
not sure how you can make a statement about someone's life whom you know nothing about (what you see here on the forums is not my life LOL, far from it) I'm sorry. I was taught to spell by cats. *G*
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Lindal Kidd
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09-03-2008 08:39
From: Randoym Randt Well YEAH (don't make me say DUH)! But there are HUGE HUUUGE differences also...for example, how do the "bonding hormones" get released when there is no RL eye contact, touch, etc, with the person which is what normally releases them in RL. Imagine a child being asked to watch screen images of being held instead of actually being touched and cuddled by mum. We're programmed for RL warmth in a very real way. So even though we're in cartoonish AVs that often look nothing like us in RL, and can't show those small changes in body language that you can in RL...we still manage to get the oxytocin and serotonin flowin.  Heh. How does this work? "Bonding hormones"? This sounds like pop biology to me. Right up there with human pheromones, another unproven theory. While there is such a thing as physical attraction, most of it is in the mind. People were meeting and falling in love long distance long before Second Life, or even the internet...or the telephone, for that matter. See the romance-by-correspondence between C.S. Lewis and Joy Chant, for example.
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Blu Cazalet
SL 2 RL? CROSSING BORDERS
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09-03-2008 10:13
All I can tell you guys, from my own experience, is that if you are lucky enough to actually fall in love in SL, like I have, you have fallen in love with someone's mind, who they are, what they are about, not their physical attributes. We traded pics and skyped a lot before meeting too. Once we met, it was only a confirmation that we were truely who we said we were, and the love was/is real. Since then, I have been to visit him in Holland for 3 weeks, only further falling deeper in love. He is immigrating here to the US so we can actually start a life together.
Falling for someone in SL is only the beginning of a love affair. The real test is how it transitions to RL. Some people can't make that transition. Some can. THAT is what determines if this is an SL love affair, or an SL (internet) to RL relationship.
-Blu- (putting on her Crossing Borders hat)
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-03-2008 12:48
From: Blu Cazalet All I can tell you guys, from my own experience, is that if you are lucky enough to actually fall in love in SL, like I have, you have fallen in love with someone's mind, who they are, what they are about, not their physical attributes. We traded pics and skyped a lot before meeting too. Once we met, it was only a confirmation that we were truely who we said we were, and the love was/is real. Since then, I have been to visit him in Holland for 3 weeks, only further falling deeper in love. He is immigrating here to the US so we can actually start a life together.
Falling for someone in SL is only the beginning of a love affair. The real test is how it transitions to RL. Some people can't make that transition. Some can. THAT is what determines if this is an SL love affair, or an SL (internet) to RL relationship.
-Blu- (putting on her Crossing Borders hat) well said blu just because it works for some, doesn't mean it is going to work for everyone all anyone can do, is meet, if the feeling and desire is that strong
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Randoym Randt
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09-03-2008 20:06
From: Blu Cazalet All I can tell you guys, from my own experience, is that if you are lucky enough to actually fall in love in SL, like I have, you have fallen in love with someone's mind, who they are, what they are about, not their physical attributes. We traded pics and skyped a lot before meeting too. Once we met, it was only a confirmation that we were truely who we said we were, and the love was/is real. Since then, I have been to visit him in Holland for 3 weeks, only further falling deeper in love. He is immigrating here to the US so we can actually start a life together.
Falling for someone in SL is only the beginning of a love affair. The real test is how it transitions to RL. Some people can't make that transition. Some can. THAT is what determines if this is an SL love affair, or an SL (internet) to RL relationship.
-Blu- (putting on her Crossing Borders hat) Hiya- No doubt, of course that's the case, as it's all a crap shoot, as I've said...but...because of writing on the blog I've met a few couples that have made a successful transition...and I don't think it's nearly as "rare" as people would suggest (hence, the blog itself exists!). You're about to go through it yourself. Should be an interesting ride. I thought this article was kinda nice and helpful for a bit of perspective on taking online love to RL (not specific to SL) http://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/07/taking-big-step-turning-online-love.htmlIf you go to that website (follow the link back from my blog) you'll find youself in a SEA of people taking online to RL...I mean, a TON, on a forum, talking about immigration, etc, so while it feels sorta special and rare, the evidence tends to suggest otherwise! I will try to find you in world this afternoon, Blu.
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Randoym Randt
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09-03-2008 20:12
From: Lindal Kidd "Bonding hormones"? This sounds like pop biology to me. Right up there with human pheromones, another unproven theory.
While there is such a thing as physical attraction, most of it is in the mind. People were meeting and falling in love long distance long before Second Life, or even the internet...or the telephone, for that matter. See the romance-by-correspondence between C.S. Lewis and Joy Chant, for example. Bonding Hormones, yeessss sirs, missed that day in school did ya...this isn't a conspiracy but I guess I should have listed them for you to go check them out? Heh. Oxytocin and Serotonin are the two "famous ones", but a greater list is here: http://www.youramazingbrain.org/lovesex/sciencelove.htmCheck out even more here: http://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/07/love-hormone-promotes-bonding-could-it.htmlFrom: someone "ScienceDaily (Feb. 14, 200  — Gazing into your lover’s eyes isn’t only romantic; it may also mimic early attachments that forever alter your brain and body. Researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School of Medicine are studying whether the brain hormone released with touches, hugs, or when a mother and her newborn baby bond might help patients with schizophrenia, social anxiety and a variety of other disorders. Oxytocin is a brain chemical associated with pair bonding, including mother-infant and male-female bonds, increased paternal involvement with children, and monogamy in certain rodents, according to Kai MacDonald, M.D., assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at UCSD..." Also, your theory on long distance relationships, epistolary ones in particular, is right on and I've been saying that for ages. Frm my very first blog posting in May: http://sl2rllove.blogspot.com/2008/05/hi-friends-ive-been-working-in-computer.htmlFrom: someone "A lot of people hear the horror stories about online meetings, and of course, I myself know many that have failed. But because he was a part of a much larger circle of SL friends, and I felt a certain pull to his AV from the moment I saw "him", I believe that this initial epistolary/text-based relationship grew like so many others during historic distances of wartime, or far away work and family commitments. By the time I got here "we" had enough value through the kajillion hours we were glued to the computer in fascination with what is really an unusual paring, but one that even his conservative and kind mother quickly came to terms with when we had a chance to talk. YES of course it's not exactly what I thought it would be. Even when it's tough, it's STILL better to be RL!"
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Randoym Randt
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09-03-2008 20:15
From: Ephron Thielt you mean to say that SL can lead to RL babies???
ee gad!
*runs away waggling arms and hooting* I'd ROFL, but it might hurt given my current condition. 
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Randoym Randt
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09-03-2008 23:18
From: Cherry Czervik I think you should trawl the archive here personally, for things people have already willingly posted. indeed I will do, if anyone has a link freely at their fingers please post! tyty! 
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Cherry Czervik
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09-04-2008 05:30
Ya ain't interested in my story. *** BLU welcome back sweetheart - look forward to your event, hoping we can both be there if his work allows. I apologise in advance for any smartarse comments he's going to make. LOL. I'd say thwapp him for it but I don't want to encourage him further 
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Dementia Lane
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09-04-2008 09:02
How is dating in SL any different than dating online via an online dating site or IMing someone? Besides for having an avatar to look at than an e-mail screen or IM window, before seeing them live via a cam, you still fall in love with the person's mind and in some cases the way their av looks (which I see would be the only difference).
I met my RL lover on SL in 2007. I've dated online in several instances through Yahoo Messenger and some dating sites... I found the only difference being the virtual avatars you see instead of the IM window.
Other than that, the same mental attitude should apply no matter what. Do you really know who is behind that IM window... or who is behind that avatar kissing you on SL?
I wouldn't mind sharing my full story Randoym, but would need to get my partners okay first.
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2k Suisei
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09-04-2008 09:29
From: Dementia Lane How is dating in SL any different than dating online via an online dating site or IMing someone? . In SL you'll be lucky to find out somebodies first name within the first three years. Then by the time you've found out their species and gender you'll be bored stupid anyway. On normal dating sites women will happily display their gyneacology reports in their profile. There's no comparison.
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Ghosty Kips
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09-04-2008 09:45
From: 2k Suisei In SL you'll be lucky to find out somebodies first name within the first three years. Then by the time you've found out their species and gender you'll be bored stupid anyway. I beg to differ. Sure, some folks are super-secretive, but others are actually looking for a new date in their life. If they are, and they're interested, you'll get some details, and maybe a meet-up for coffee. The key to to be yourself and go with the flow. If you're seeking verification of gender and so forth right at the start, no one's going to give you the time of day because that's not the sort of person most women are looking to meet. If they have a female ava and act interested in talking to you, be yourself and don't worry about it. Take them dancing, drop a few linden on a nice gift, and be a gracious date - it goes a very long way. If they want to meet you in RL, they'll tell you.
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Cherry Czervik
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09-04-2008 10:33
From: 2k Suisei In SL you'll be lucky to find out somebodies first name within the first three years. Then by the time you've found out their species and gender you'll be bored stupid anyway.
On normal dating sites women will happily display their gyneacology reports in their profile.
There's no comparison. If someone is so tight up their own backside about themselves then they surely won't be on the radar for three years lol. If the flow ain't there it ain't there, no matter how much you might wish it was (or give someone too many chances just in case you're wrong about them and they aren't an asshat/mesbian after all ...) When it's right, same as in any other walk of life, you will simply KNOW it is right. How that translates offline is another thing but as others have said here re online dating, and as my friend always puts it, "you get to know the inside first". He's right, you do, and if that person's inside is totally flippant and evasive then you have to accept that they are not what you want to think them to be.
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