Does selling freebies violate the TOS?

I run a non profit help station. In there I offer freebies. Some of the freebies I repacked. Now I find three of the boxes I did in a store where they are sold for 100 and 250 L$.

Does this violate the TOS?

I filed an abuse report, does that make sense?

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Aleco

No, not all by itself. If the content was purloined and then either given away or sold, that would be another story.

( edit to add: if you want to discourage this kind of thing, set your freebies to be no transfer. )

So that "nice" man that took the boxes from my station for free and now sells them with me still being entered as the creator of the boxes does not have to fear anything?

In my eyes, that's just rip-off!

cu
Aleco

Generally not. If you allowed transfer in the items and didn't attach strings to their redistribution with some kind of license agreement (& forget that if you were only repackaging other content), then it's open season.


Oh, it is, but it's an allowed ripoff.

Does selling freebies violate TOS?

No. But it gives heart attacks to shop owners.

Linden should really introduce a new permission or flag to mark freebies, so that they can not be sold that easy. One of the reasons I run that help station is to prevent newbies from being ripped-off by freebie vendors. I even found a shop that sold stuff from the library.

cu
Aleco

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My post, 4th one down, describes my amazement and disgust when I recently ran across this.

If you set the freebies as full perms then they can be resold and it's not a TOS violation if you set the permissions to allow transfer/resale ... resale is the keyword there.

All freebies, group gifts, prizes and the like need to be copy/no tran. in order to avoid this. If the package you gave the set of stuff out in is transferable, anyone could come and edit the box, put a bunch of other empty boxes, or junk, and resell it leaving your name as the owner of the box. I love freebies and gifts, some have really high quality, its is horrid that this sort of thing happens. Horrible!!!

This is more common than is imaginable. One can barely walk around a new resident area without being offered a buggy for L$50.

I make free items, and I distribute them with full permissions because they are meant to be scripting examples and a closed script is useless as an example; I learnt from a lot of these as a new resident. I have signs and notecards and so on saying "NOT FOR RESALE BY THEMSELVES" - obviously I have no issue with somebody using the script in their own, new product, that's the whole point - but some people still do, and if I was really bothered about that I would have set them to copy/no-trans.

It irritates me, and sometimes I chase these things up, and I don't believe in the idea of consent being given by merely setting flags, but I can't say that I expect much else given the cupidity of certain people, and at least it means the scripts are distributed. Should they appear unmodified in a BIAB, say, or have their permissions changed, I would certainly take action.

I offer the freebies with full permissions, because I want to give everyone the possibility to analyse them, learn how they are made and do their own stuff incorporating parts of the freebies. The MLP menu is a good example.

So that dude X***star S***e can continue to sell that stuff without any harm. Well, I once hoped, SL would be better than RL.

cu
Aleco

It's about time the subject of the propriety or lack thereof of selling freebies was finally brought forth for discussion.

It doesn't violate any SL-specific 'rules', but it's still infringement. Unless someone has express permission from the copyright owner they can't (legally) (re)distribute the item(s).

Of course, noone is going to bother to take RL steps to stop someone from handing out/reselling full permissions content so everyone does it.

It is certainly a topic which has lacked thorough exploration. I can barely think of a time when it has come up previously.

I couldn't agree more. This is one of those undiscovered issues that certainly hasn't received enough attention.

I think a 14 page thread on this subject should solve the problem once and for all.

While this does sound like an excellent idea, I doubt very seriously if there is that much to be said on the matter, it being so cut and dry.

I think one or two good paragraphs will most likely suffice.

True, but on the other hand, when you do no-trans, it makes it a total PITA to help newbies. Instead of just being able to give them a copy of something, you have to tell them to go search a lag-ridden freebie store. Worse, good luck remembering where it is you found it, or even which store.

No, that's not the solution. Full Perm is good thing for freebies.

Even risking yet another witty reply from you, please do delete the name, as THAT is, unfortunately, against the forum ToS.


No, I didn't *make* the rules.

But if that particular geezer were to read your post, he could actually AR you for that. (There ARE people as anal as that, searching for their names in Google and all that.)

I wonder if this is the sign of the times!

I noticed 2 Skin companies listed in Popular places today. I'd normally expect the Free Money and sex places to dominate these listings.....certainly not Skin companies.

I thought i'd do some investigation. The 1st sim I visited had over 80 people on it....at surface level i could only see 5 people max.....so where were the other 70 or so people.??

Answer : a few hundred metres in the air in some cafe looking joint. If that wasn't misleading enough in falsifying traffic numbers....the fact that none of these Avatars were being paid was even more bemusing! .I have heard about camping and traffic bots, so i presumed these must bots of sorts as they weren't getting any Lindens. How does one login so many bots without crashing your own computer?

Sim 2 has long since been known as a paradise for camping. I thought i would give it a go, as i could not see anyone actually being paid. I sat in one of those chairs to see if it pays out....editing the chair i noticed it only had a sit script and was not a genuine pay out camping chair. Presumeably nearly everyone here were bots too......i recieved no replies from a series of IM's sent to these happy campers.!!

The 2 oversized spacious shops on this SIM had about 4 people milling around. Hell, i can get those type of numbers in my shop by doing relatively little.......why do people go to all this trouble just to attract a few shoppers? I haven't see any of the genuine top Skins brands employing a similar strategy......surely focusing on the quality of one's own product is the only real everlasting way of getting a steady steam of customers in.
Whenever i visit Naughty island, the sim is always half full and that without any major skin releases over the last 6 months. The brand stands on its own...same with Quad sims and others.

More alarming, there seems to be an invasion of these camping/traffic bots all over the grid.... chewing up unnessary resources. When is this all going to stop? I really wonder what the true concurrency login rate is.

I'm not anti-camping by any stretch of the imagination, providing genuine noobs or AV's are the recipients of Lindens. You throw in New Search as well, it's incredible what one has to do get traffic attention for one's business.

LL needs to have a real re-think. This has become a micky mouse exonomy.!

I took a couple of interesting photos of those 2 sims, unfortunately i can't attach them here.

one of my friends told me the other day that she gets paid to take Newbies to a freebee shop. The only problem is the shop sells everything for 50 L$ or so.

I was shocked and I said I thought that was bad. She agreed, but said she has no skills and needs an income.

What can you do ?

Joseph Abel ratchets back the thumb wheel and checks the pressure guage on his Tension Enhanced Linguo / Buccal Bisector...dreading the moment one of the forum ancients begins to choke upon their tongue so firmly lodged in their cheek...

Textures are full permissions or easily stolen yet you can still file a dcma claim.
If you created a item I was under the impression you own the IP rights regardless if it had TOS included on how the item was going to be used, and that would including selling freebies.
If they know how to file DCMA take down order why not do it. LL won't do anything unless they legally required to do so to protect content rights.

dosen't the selling of freebies come under "Comunity Standards" ? I was under the impression you can AR someone for breaching those.

It should be. Especially one under 'Respect" or the part of the TOS that says something about people are good and should be good to each other.... but I think only way to stop someone from reselling and making profit off someone content you need to file DCMA/take down order.