Cheating Game Owner/Sim HELP what to do?

I have been 0playing the contest game DEAL for $20 a pop...I kept having some guy play a zillion times and knocking my scores down, which didn;t make sense because he was playing more times then the pot was worth...but I let it go.... Until last night when I had played on a diff avatar name (my second av) and saw that my scores had been knocked down yet again but this time by the owner of the sim! He used same avatar of the name that pays out...s9o I knew it was him...I took a snapshot of the contest board, so now what do I do?I did Im the owner frustrated and he eventually admitted to it.... and asked me what I wanted...I want my money back and told him so but how do I report this? If I report this will I get my money back? Im out about 640 lindens... and I can;t find where to reporrt fraudalent gaming...Is this even legal?? I wouldnt think so...is there police in SL to regulate this? Like a gaming commission?? HELp and thanks...At this time the owner has not paid me back and I do have a pic depicting his rip off machine and game and this isnt the only game he is ripping people off of as I know I had a high score taken down on a Devils game too but I can;t prove that one...

The game you were playing is defined as "gambling" by Linden Lab. You won't get your money back, and if you report this game to LL, it will be removed from the grid. I don't know if the owner will be punished.

Where do I report it??

Click on the object...

When the pie appears hit the "More" slice twice. At the top you will see report abuse.

You will not get your money back. You can do the same to the owner but your best result will come from reporting the device.

"CX"

I don't think the Deal or No Deal qualifies under the Gambling Ban.

But there is nothing you can do about this. The owner of the game might not be the most honest for what he did, but it is his game, his land, his rules.

There is NO 'certified' gaming in SL that would offer you the recourse you are looking for.

Yes it does. Any game that you put money into in order to win money out is considered gaming.

best thing you can do is quit gambling. you took a gamble and you lost. don't go there anymore.

When he admitted to it you should have clicked the word HELP on your SL toolbar abd scrolled to REPORT ABUSE and make the complaint. Include his text where he admits to what he did in the abuse report.

Give up gambling, report the machine so a Linden can visit the sim and remove it, and be glad you only lost L$640. Just consider it tuition in the school of hard knocks because you've now learned that there's no fairness police in SL and it's up to you to be careful with your money because LL will not intervene to take it back from another resident no matter how smarmy their tactics.

No, that is NOT how it works.

It has to meet TWO criteria:

(1) (a) rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner, OR (b) rely on the outcome of real-life organized sporting events,

AND

(2) provide a payout in (a) Linden Dollars, OR (b) any real-world currency or thing of value.



Deal or No Deal falls has been approved by LL. Check the listing on SLExchange.

I don't know how Deal works but being "approved" by a Linden doesn't mean it doesn't violate the Second Life prohibition against gambling, especially if that Linden was Zara Linden. If the game involves any element of chance that is analogous to random number generation which influences whether you win the pot then it violates the policy.

I don't really have a problem with these games though. They are generally harmless fun as far as I am concerned but in this case the owner is ripping you off so if it does fit the criterion I would report his particular machine to put an end to his scam.

I have had two lindens tell me one thing and a 3rd linden delete my items

so its a toss up on what is allowed and what is not apparently it goes by what ever mood the linden is in at the time

Huh when did the Lindens start defining games that were allowed and not allowed?

Thats not how it works. A game "might" be allowed if it doesn't get deleted, but that status could change any day.

They steadfastly refused to give straight answers on any specific things like Sploders even though they deleted some and left others alone.

The most any game can say is "it hasn't been banned yet"

I have heard that as well.

That tells me that the policy isnt firm even as outlined to them behind the scenes.

My guess is they were told to "Use your best Judgment" and hence the inconsistency.

By the way it DEFINITELY sounds like gambling.

The OP sure seems to discuss it as such

"Ive been playing for $20L a pop" ...



And the whole shady deal of the owner manipulating the results ..

Referring to wanting to contact the gaming commission ...


That sounds a lot more like a gambling experience than a simulated game show.

Can someone explain this game to me?... I don't understand how a game that requires a payment, will give a payout, and spins up numbers which have to be generated by a random number generator can not be considered a gambling device by LL.

I wonder if the Dishonest gambling Games get Reported to LL faster than the Honest ones?
Do people tend have thier Moral Outrage over gambling Triggered only when they Lose?

Personally, I was always taught never to Play cards with the Other guy's "lucky deck".
In the Movie "Guys and Dolls" a Pro gambler is made to Play Craps with a sore loser using the Losers Dice, the dice were so old that the Dots had worn off, The sore loser explained "Don't worry, i've had these for so long i remember where the Dots were." That is what gambling in SL reminds me of.

ALL gambling machines and games, Honest or otherwise are Banned in SL, so All should be reported. Not Only when you Lose.

Angel.

Exactly - there isn't much in the way of consistency, and saying "oh but OkayWithMyStuff Linden said it was fine" to DeletingYourStuff Linden probably won't impress them much. Anything which takes money, gives a prize and isn't _very obviously_ a game of skill is at risk.

Linden Labs legal department has APPROVED the game DEAL. They do NOT approve the game DEAL OR DECLINE.

and where is the list that the legal department has approved i would love to see what they call skill

any gambling, be it approved or not is like my gramps says... Gambling its for those with poor math skills.

I hate to tell you this but regardless of who has said what, it is still at risk.

This isn't me being some sort of anti-gambling crusader either; I would be happy to see poker and roulette and betting on SL sumo and so on (provided they're not slot-machine camp sites lagging a shared sim, but that is a behaviour issue rather than that they involve gambling). But free sploders have been deleted in the past, from new resident areas; things which actually deal in money, well.

They also said it was based on high scores, which denotes a game of skill and is exempt from the gambling ban, reguardless or whether you pay to play or not. Sounds like the OP caught the owner red-handed trying to avoid a payout. Not much you can do about the lost money tho.

You are saying a gambling game cant be based on scores?

From: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/09/anti-gambling-policy-update-faq/