Removing a Layer of Anonymity
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Oryx Tempel
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09-01-2007 08:45
From: Brenda Connolly I refuse to knowing do business with for various reasons. Walmart, certain Oil Companies, clothing manufaturers. Hi Brenda, this is totally OT so I'll just say this and scoot: just FYI (as a member of the industry, albeit indirectly) boycotting one particular oil company is pointless, because they all send their oil through the same pipelines to the same refineries, where the oil from all the different fields is mingled as it's processed. What you buy for your car is a product of a refinery that might service not just parts of your state, but states all over the Union (it's not localized, in other words) rather than a product of a particular oil company. This means that the gasoline you buy from one station is exactly the same as from another station, and the oil companies could care less where YOU actually buy from, because the barrels of oil were bought and sold long before they ever hit the refinery. Bummer but true. |
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Brenda Connolly
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09-01-2007 08:52
From: Oryx Tempel Hi Brenda, this is totally OT so I'll just say this and scoot: just FYI (as a member of the industry, albeit indirectly) boycotting one particular oil company is pointless, because they all send their oil through the same pipelines to the same refineries, where the oil from all the different fields is mingled as it's processed. What you buy for your car is a product of a refinery that might service not just parts of your state, but states all over the Union (it's not localized, in other words) rather than a product of a particular oil company. This means that the gasoline you buy from one station is exactly the same as from another station, and the oil companies could care less where YOU actually buy from, because the barrels of oil were bought and sold long before they ever hit the refinery. Bummer but true. Oh I know all that, but even so, I can avoid adding to a certain company's profit by not buying the end product from them, and it gives me emotional comfort to not patronize certain dealers. I actually avaoid all the majors as a rule and try to use the independants. But thanks, Hon. I'm sure a lot of people did not know this so you provided a valuable service. Good Morning 
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Oryx Tempel
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09-01-2007 08:57
From: Brenda Connolly Oh I know all that, but even so, I can avoid adding to a certain company's profit by not buying the end product from them, Nope. You avoid adding to the profit of the person who owns the station (the franchiser). He bought the oil from the refineries who bought it (probably) through commodities traders, who bought it from the oil companies six months ago as a futures option. He pays the oil company for the right to put its logo on his sign. I guess that's sort of bottom line, but it's really round about... And like I said, the independents are using the same exact oil that is sold down the street by the big guys. They bought it from the same refineries...which are supplied by the big guys in the first place. Good morning to you too! |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-01-2007 09:14
From: Brenda Connolly
It is true, here in the States we are catalogued a thousand times over, so this probably won't do much, although II still think the value of our Last 4 is underestimated. I do think a better option out there somewhere, but as usual, The Providers can't be bothered to think of one, (that TAO thing again?).
Do you have an electoral register in the States? |
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Victorria Paine
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09-01-2007 10:54
From: Ciaran Laval Do you have an electoral register in the States? Yes it is done by state. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-01-2007 11:14
From: Victorria Paine Yes it is done by state. Well I'd imagine that's the first port of call for verification. |
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Victorria Paine
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09-01-2007 11:18
From: Ciaran Laval Well I'd imagine that's the first port of call for verification. Not really. The reason is an American particularity. Unlike in many countries, voting and registering to vote are completely optional in the US. So a lot of folks are either unregistered or have old, outdated registrations that aren't reliable for identification purposes on a broad scale. That's why we tend to use DLs in the US for ID -- virtually everyone (not everyone, but virtually everyone) has one and is required to keep the info up to date by the laws of most states. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-01-2007 11:19
From: Victorria Paine Not really. The reason is an American particularity. Unlike in many countries, voting and registering to vote are completely optional in the US. So a lot of folks are either unregistered or have old, outdated registrations that aren't reliable for identification purposes on a broad scale. That's why we tend to use DLs in the US for ID -- virtually everyone (not everyone, but virtually everyone) has one and is required to keep the info up to date by the laws of most states. Yeah if you dont have a drivers license you need a state id Unless you totally lived outside of normal society. |
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Brenda Connolly
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09-01-2007 13:27
From: Ciaran Laval Well I'd imagine that's the first port of call for verification. Not if you aren't registered to Vote. And a lot of Americans aren't.
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Brenda Connolly
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09-01-2007 13:29
From: Oryx Tempel Nope. You avoid adding to the profit of the person who owns the station (the franchiser). He bought the oil from the refineries who bought it (probably) through commodities traders, who bought it from the oil companies six months ago as a futures option. He pays the oil company for the right to put its logo on his sign. I guess that's sort of bottom line, but it's really round about... And like I said, the independents are using the same exact oil that is sold down the street by the big guys. They bought it from the same refineries...which are supplied by the big guys in the first place. Good morning to you too! Hey, My world, My imagination.
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Brenda Connolly
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09-01-2007 13:34
From: Colette Meiji Yeah if you dont have a drivers license you need a state id
Unless you totally lived outside of normal society. Even State ID usage is inconsistent. In this area, a lot of non Drivers get by with maybe a SS Card and some sort of work ID, or School and that's it.
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Conan Godwin
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09-01-2007 13:47
From: Maggie McArdle didnt You hear? they are ALL 30 years old! Yes, but they all look not a day over 29.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone hateful much? dude, that was low. die. .
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Allison Selene
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09-01-2007 14:24
From: Zaphod Kotobide There are many people however who are engaging in business transactions involving thousands, tens of thousands and more of real, hard cash. There is also an extraordinary amount of fraud occurring within some of these transactions. When there is that much real money at stake, it's almost a sure bet that the parties will want to know WHO they're dealing with...
....even one on one romantic interests that turn "serious", and begin to grow beyond the confines of the virtual world.. Wouldn't you be more comfortable about meeting someone IRL if they were at least willing to provide some assurance of their actual identity? First thought, IDV will result in identity theft being brought into Second Life as a means of scamming people. Second thought, scamming and phising and ID theft on the 2d web are very serious real problems, and IDV will bring those in world. Third thought, if someone gets your real name and approximate location or age, they can pinpoint you precisely via standard web tools. And if you are really lucky, your house will show up in Google Street View. While it is correct that real world business transactions and real world romantic relationships require the parties involved to verify their identities, it is something done *outside* of Second Life *by choice*. Our company does contracts and most financial transactions through real world channels, and we do not need Linden Labs ID verification at all. However, I would not give out my personal information to anyone who asks. If we have a business reason, you get our business address, not my home address. As for relationships, you don't seem to get it. I certainly do not want Linden Labs or anyone else giving out or displaying my personal information. If I got romantically interested in someone in Second Life, I would proceed slowly and cautiously, and give out personal info on my own timetable as I would do with *any* internet site. BTW, does anyone know if dating sites such as e-Harmony require IDV to this degree? And if you believe that Integrity will not store the information about you, good luck with that. They are not the most trustworthy company out there.
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-01-2007 14:32
I don't know why LL is so anxious to remove my anonymity, but I'm not anxious to help them with that.
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