PPRS (I need my resident database for paid locations)

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I found the link on what I was searching for. It seems "Money Island" gives that link to you after you get paid into their PPRS system. This is the link:

http://www.derbfactory.de/check.php

I don't know if the PPRS system over there was allowed to give that link as I haven't seen any other PPRS system to give me that link. If not, and it was not intentional, the owner of the PPRS system can request the moderator to edit my post and remove this link.

Now, it is pretty simple. Just write your second life name with no spelling mistakes. Keep a space between your first and last name and that is it.

At this time, I see the owners who have the PPRS HUD right now are 994. Members who are active with it are 290. I don't know if the questions I am asking in my first post are classified or not, if any PPRS HUD owners had to sign a terms of agreement with that HUD, and it says the information of that product you guys got is classified, or better yet if the owner of the PPRS HUD is here and can tell us it is classified, please let us know. I will keep this thread open until someone can answer this.

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Greetings. I am new to these forums. I am sorry if this was answered before, and if it did, please post the link that redirects me to that thread so I can close this thread.

I am a newbie (around a week) in Second Life and I was wondering how I could access the database where it tracks the locations I got paid so far for the "PPRS V2 - Profile Picks Reward System" made by Dackedidi Miles. I just have a very loose memory and don't want to get paid over 15 locations since I will violate their terms and obviously get banned. I deleted and inserted picks when I had over 10 picks, but if my memory serves right, I haven't chosen more than 10 locations yet. Still, I prefer to have an accurate answer by having my database on hand, rather than having a random guess in my brain. That is the purpose why I am here.

Now, please, do not tell me immediately to buy the HUD PPRS V2. offers Yes, it is cheap and I can remove places I don't want to. I wonder though, if this is not confidential, if I can ask some questions about the PPRS HUD. Firstly, if any residents have the knowledge, how much is the fee for removing a place in your PPRS? Will they ban you if you got paid more than 15 locations in 60 days yet your list only always shows less than 15 locations since you manually remove them when you don't need them (with the included fees)? When you remove a place, can you put it again in your list? I know some of the questions have already been answered in the PPRS manual, but most of them seem vague to me, including the second question, as I see if that is true, many can abuse the system by adding and removing places frequently.

Now, back to my point, I remember once (maybe on money island or money tree island) after I got my money from the PPRS board they had, they gave me a link which allowed me to see the locations I have so far picked for payment with the PPRS. The link just required me to log in with my Second Life name to show me a database with all the locations where I used the PPRS. I never had the PPRS HUD to access that link. I don't know if the link was not meant in there and it tripped accidentally for me to use it. If anyone knows the link, can you post it in here? I have lost it and now I just want it to use it again to keep track with my PPRS.

Thanks for your assistance,
Taintee

You can see all your transaction, in and out, in your accounts. Go to your account page in the website. In the left coumn click Accout to drop down a list. In the the list, click Transaction History. You'll be able to take it from there.

I really don't understand why LL haven't banned this system and others like it.
It's sole purpose is to game All Search via the weights given to profile picks.
It's a scam.

It might be a way for people to get some L$, but it's still a systematic way to game search - and this is specifically against stated LL policy.

It's really funny that the perps would get all huffy about people gaming *their* system.

I think you mean this page:

http://www.derbfactory.de/pprs_user.php?owner=DEMO&pw=DEMO

I think the OP means this page:

http://www.derbfactory.de/pprs_user.php?owner=DEMO&pw=DEMO

@Phil Deakins - Thanks for pointing this out. Although difficult, I can do the math from there. There are so many transactions there. Since most owners have only one PPRS location, I think I can figure that out with the description of the owners. Though there is a possibility I can make a false positive that I used a PPRS in a location (such a transaction where I didn't used their PPRS but I got the same amount of reward from another incentive system like camping) , the chances are very quite slim.

I think if I visit money island or money tree island the link that I found previously will come again if it is always programmed that way. I just have to wait until 7 days to pass from the last payment from them (They pay every 7 days).

In any case, thanks for the info Phil, I will do this if nothing else works in the end.

@Sling Trebuchet - Yeah, well I don't know if it is against LL ToS and yet don't do nothing about it. I see PPRS systems almost everywhere.

Off topic: I know it is normal for virtual goods to exist against ToS, since there is always somebody that wants to abuse the system. For instance, in IMVU ( a 3d chat virtual world almost the same as second life but for artistic interests, not business interests), if somebody sells a naked body in their catalog, IMVU removes it in a week or so. However, I am quite amazed PPRS systems filled everywhere (are they new stuff?) and Second Life doesn't do anything about it if its against their ToS. Does that make common sense? I feel many newbies will violate the ToS without knowing they did because it is so common in second life for such search traffic products in the world to exist, they even make books and guides for it and published them on amazon and bookstores.

@Ron Khondji - yep, thats their demo. I can see their ban list. I wonder where users can login without having to have a hud or owning the PPRS system itself. I remember quite well that I didn't have any of those products and still don't have them or bought them and could log myself in to see my database.

Thanks for your feedback everybody. Gladly appreciated. I will still wait for an answer for the link if anybody knows it which I mentioned in my first post. Also, I want to know if the questions about the HUD I asked from my first post if they are confidential or not? If not, can somebody answer them for me?

Taintee

taintee.

Paying for Picks is not against the ToS. Gaming search is against them, but, whilst paying for picks is certainly used to game search, it's also a good method of advertising, so it can't be seen as purely gaming search. Sling has a big thing about gaming search, which is why she wrote what she wrote.

Thanks Phil for the clarification. I take my words back for what I said off topic.

It's not against the TOS in any way shape or form. When LL introduced the system they told business owners about it and actively encouraged them to find ways of getting people to place locations in their picks. The system you're using is one of those ways that grew from this advice.

I use 'My Notes' tab in my profile to keep track of that information along with when I can go back to get paid again.

Yes, I should have done that
Too bad I didn't thought to do that from the start

"The system"?? You mean ALL Search?
OK. They said that parcel owners should encourage others to place Picks.
By your logic, that said that *any* method of getting Picks was OK.

By your logic Ad Farming and Extortion ore OK.
LL created the land selling system and encouraged people to use it. The farmers/extortionists argued that they were only using the system that LL had provided. It wasn't against the TOS.

By your logic, Traffic Botting is OK.
LL created the Traffic system and told people about it. They encouraged people to use it to get higher ranking. Traffic botters argued that hey were only using the system that LL had provided. It wasn't against the TOS.

Picks are used as a weighting in All Search as they are an indication of the worth of a parcel.
Paid Picks are an abuse of that system in order to gain an unfair advantage in Search ranking.






That's .... "unfairly increasing their Search ranking, regardless of how that is achieved".


This is abuse on a grand scale.
Look at the numbers on that website referenced above


It's systematic in-your-face abuse.

no but we've been here, done that, got the T-shirt, it's boring. People who choose to place picks for whatever reason is fine, grow up and deal with it.



No by my logic people wanting to place picks by their own choice is fine.



No traffic botting isn't people individually choosing to place a pick, the relevant analogy here would be one person having an army of alts whose bots counted in picks search.



If someone chooses to place a pick because they get paid for it, they choose to do that. The same as someone on a crappy parcel who meets friends there chooses to do so, the same as someone who has a friend chooses to do so, the placing of a pick is a choice.








People choose to do of their own free will, there's nothing "unfair" about it.




It's a choice, you seem to have a problem with people having a choice to do something of their own free will.

no but we've been here, done that, got the T-shirt, it's boring. You try to argue that the Pick *Buying* is not dishonest because the Pick *Sellers* are exercising a choice.


How about this as an honest way of making a living?....



Perfectly legitimate. No?
The people recruited would be exercising a choice. It's so simple, they get money and pass it on, taking a cut.

By your logic, the people running the money-laundering are legit because the mules that thry use are exercising a choice about how to use their time and bank accounts of their own free will.

Oh come on, equating Reward for Picks to Money Laundering is ridiculous.

Geez, Taintee - now see what you've started!

Sling. You are making fallacious arguments. For instance, you tried to make out the traffic botting was wrong when it wasn't. It only became wrong when LL said it's wrong. Prior to that, they'd said this it was ok.

Paying for picks isn't wrong at all. It *can* be used to game traffic, in which case it would be against the recently changed ToS, but it can also be used as advertising, and nobody can tell the difference. So until LL says that it's wrong, it is not wrong. Live with it, Sling.

Shirley you mean "would be ridiculous".
It would be ridiculous if I had been asserting that Buying Picks to game search was as bad as Money Laundering.
I did no such thing.

Ciaran chose to justify gaming of Search via bought Picks by considering it solely from the angle of the Pick *Seller* exercising a choice.
He avoided the real question of the Pick *Buyer* behaviour.
I illustrated the fallacy of this by a parallel of an unthinking mule exercising a choice.

How can they exercise a choice if they aren't thinking?

It is in LL's best interest that search work for people using it to find things rather that those using it to be seen. Anything residents can do to game search ultimately makes the platform less successful and costs LL money, so I expect at some point picks will no longer count for anything in search results. It's unfortunate that something that could potentially be used to make interesting places more visible instead makes them less visible, but that's the way it is. You can thank schemes like the one described in this thread.

At this point search would work better if ranking was random.

FWIW LL has apparently already hired someone to work on search (there was a position open that is no longer open, so either they filled it or eliminated it), and there is still this senior-level position open for someone to work on search:

http://lindenlab.hrmdirect.com/employment/view.php?req=38287&

I expect LL will first try some things that will fail (they're too fond of automation and equal opportunity), so I expect search to remain broken for a long time. But they'll eventually fix it, and I expect they'll make *some* progress pretty quickly. I expect picks and traffic will be removed from search calculation soon-ish.

Wonderful. It's like the old days per the botting ban.
You're indulging in semantic dances again.

You're also losing the run of yourself.
Even at the height of your posturings in defence of traffic botting, you never claimed at LL said it was OK.
Your mantra was that LL had not said that it was not OK, and had not acted against it, and that therefore it was perfectly acceptable behaviour..
There's a less than subtle difference between that and LL specifically saying "It's OK".

"It only became wrong when LL said it's wrong."
Ha!
I was saying back before the ban that traffic gaming was dishonest and cheating.
Are you asserting that LL banned traffic gaming for any other reason but that it was something described by words like "dishonest", "cheating", "wrong"?
Would you like to offer an alternative reason for LL to have banned traffic gaming?


Your logic is that ad-farming and land extortion only became wrong when LL said it was wrong.
If it wasn't wrong, why did LL say it was wrong?






You're saying that your sense of right and wrong is defined by LL policy statements.

What was that phrase I used way back then..... "morally bankrupt". Yup!

There's wrong and there's against the rules. I know you don't see the difference, but some people make the distinction, anyway. People discuss it because they hope that what is wrong will someday be against the rules.

why do you guys even reply in this topic, those kind of requests have no place here, (imho not even in sl but that's me)

Besides being a completely absurd analogy, I take it you're unaware of the Linden Lab promotion to get another person to signup to Second Life? The one that offers a sweepstake to win L$100,000?

So you seem to be saying:
- It's OK to cheat/be_dishonest if the stakes are small.
- It's OK to cheat if you disapprove of something that LL is doing.
- Principles don't come into it.