Another gold star for LL!

I got the same. Going up a level and then clicking on the image link in the directory got me there. It may be the hosting site blocking direct links to the image.

Well the company never gave u permission to use that Land, & I don't know anybody else w/ a free 5000 prims they don't pay for, so just shrugs, put the sign up (I like the "blown up" build idea at the end of the tracks) and move on.

What's amazing is that you built somethin w/ SO MANY prims over Linden Land, & it stayed THAT long! I've been to that train before, never thought to look @ the land properties...but I can definitely see how u got all those accolades, that was a great build, but I guess if they let everybody who neighbors' Linden Land use the prims (of course Autoreturn is usually on), "buying" (renting) land don't mean too much.

Ah well, it was bound to happen sooner or later...it happened "later", & for that...well count your lucky stars that it stayed up as long as it did, it will be remembered.

too bad ll worry about the train but wont bother to clean up the screaming rockets, empty cages and crashed vehicles littering their property all over the grid.

pretty. but oops! your bad!

build on 'your own land' to avoid this problem next time. why is it okay for you to squat on LL property, but not a guy hosting trailer trash and busted up airplanes?

in fact, maybe thats what happened. perhaps the linden came by to clean up some junk on the parcel and returned your prims not realising they were part of the build.

I'm 99% sure that the build had to be using privately owned prims, as described above, linked to a root prim on private land. It's rare for Linden-owned land to have auto-return disabled for more than a few days, and then only by accident.

On the other hand, yeah, it's a loss, but it really was kind of inevitable, eventually, unless the whole structure had been "gifted" to LDPW to use in infrastructure somehow. Of course they could never afford the prims--seriously--so some supporting land would have had to be gifted with the bridge, too.

And I think all of that might have been worked out in advance, given the near-landmark status of the bridge. And it still may not be too late to get it all arranged for the future, if Farallon were to speak with Michael Linden about what it would take to get them to consider it. I for one would support a "petition" for its restoration, if all the primcount issues could be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.

Well...that's a drag.

I think it would be a positive thing to know the exact
circumstances behind the decision because this build
was a significant and thoughtful non-commercial creation.

Frankly if I was an admin in charge of clearing Linden
property, the sight of the train, how long it had been there,
and other factors would give me pause. I would think, "Maybe
this person should be contacted. Better yet maybe I should
talk about this with the creator and my fellow staff as this
has been adding value to the Second Life experience."

At the same time, I would expect the builder to realize
building on other people's property (including LL) is risky
business.

One guess I have is that someone was doing spot checking
on LL land permissions and discovered Return was set to 0.

I'm happy I got to visit the train and bridge intact several
times. It added value to my Second Life experience. =)

Here's link to a number of pics I took a year ago of the
bridge and the train:

http://tinyurl.com/6b8at2

This is one of them:



- Infrared

Just to clear some things up, I was not "stealing" prims. As others have pointed out, I was cantelevering an object from either side of the river with the root prims on my land. Every prim was from m own allocation.

The reason the entire thing wasn't returned is because the tressle is about 1000 prims and is linked in multiple pieces so only 4 pieces of the 10 or so that make it up were returned.

I have not figured out if there really was a complaint or not, I've asked but actually do not expect them to tell me.

This is an interesting debate anyway. Yes I broke the rules, but should laws be enforced t the letter even though in spirit there was no wrong doing? I don't even know Which is really the "Question" here. Philosophically I do view it as another example of LL cutting off it's nose to spite it's face though.

It wasn't even the returning of the objects that realy hurt it was getting a Notice of Discipline for "Disturbing the peace"!

But anyway, I'll redo it in some amusing way in the next couple weeks. Thanks for the kind words!

Haha...another theory just popped into my head:

Someone complained.

- Infrared

This is almost surely what happened.

They have fairly strict enforcement guidelines, and if someone AR'ed about 'overlapping prims' that may have been enough to do it. Even if they loved the structure themselves.

This is the problem with rules overtaking thinking.

At the very least they should have contacted you to take it apart yourself.

To some people its all just pixels and bits and your art mean nothing.

I'm a generally law-abiding person myself, but I find it troubling that LL took down this build.
I think a good argument could be made that the intent, the goal, of the policy prohibiting building on Gov. Linden's land is to prevent individuals using community property for their own benefit. I would argue that the rule seems to have been made to protect the public good (to the degree that public spaces maintained by LL constitute a public good). In this case, it seems that the OP was trying to benefit the community by improving public land, and, at least by the standard of public appreciation of the build, did so successfully. In this case, it seems that taking down the build may have favored the letter of the law rather than its spirit.
While I think that LL needs to have the right to take down builds intruding into public land, it may not serve the interests of justice to enforce that right in every case. If a build is judged by LL to benefit the community, perhaps it should be allowed to remain. Those judgments will be subjective, of course, and therefore not uniform, but surely a more just situation can be achieved by a subjective application of the spirit of the law than a mindless, uniform application of its letter.

They were wrong building overhanging Linden Land, but you were wrong accusing them of stealing 300 prims.

Jeeze. You "DO NOT" build over Linden Land - even if one Linden says you can.

When sims with roads first came out i built a biker bar on one side of the road and the truck stop directly across from it on the other side of the road with a very cool realistic bridge across them with sim direction arrow signs, hanging stop lights etc.. It lasted about 3 months maybe 4 before it was nuked - and of course it was not taking up prims on LL land. They did the same thing to me in Aqua when i had the O.K. from Ryan Linden to build streets etc.. Some other Linden came along and returned couple days worth of work.

The Rule: NEVER build on Linden Land

I think this is what makes us scratch our heads more that anything. It often seems that some LL employees are confused about their roles and just make stuff up as they go along. And they say and do things as the whim takes them. Creating farcial situations like Briana has mentioned.

Hopefully the appointment of M Linden will lead to a departmentalizing of inworld responsibilities and the role of LL employees within that.

Those road building mole volenteers have the legal ability to build on linden land so maybe you could try to convince one of them to include it in one of their builds (although I doubt they would include anything with that many prims)

I hope you do the blow-up scene, I would love to see that.



On the one hand, I know I rarely have any idea what I'm returning when I cleanup my land; I generally just return stuff from the list of objects in About Land. On the other hand, I'm not sure returning everything from a central list like that applies to linked prims rooted next door. I would think that in order to unlink prims in order to return just the overhanging ones the Linden must have actually seen the build directly.

just don't build on Linden lands. no one here is more special or privileged than any other person, regardless of the content's beauty.

Okay, the Lindens themselves are not blatantly consistent about what the policy is, as Briana and the OP experienced first hand. The ambiguousness is clearly spelled out for us on the SL website:



So to me it appears that the Lindens don't want to overtly forbid the practice, but at the same time, they don't want to appear to favor one resident over another, so they have to respond to blatant cases or complaints. Notice the "may" and the "if."

So complaining about a bridge that is doing nothing but enhancing the transportation experience (which is the whole reason for the Linden pathway to begin with) is everyone's right, but I think doing so is somewhat sad and petty.

Just want to mention that I protested the notice and was granted permission to rebuild the tressle.

I do realize as others have said that net year another brand new L will come along and just delete it again, but at least I can point to the previous notice of discipliary action and it's resolution and probably just have to rebuild it every now and then.

They didn't say if someone actually complained or it was a random event, I REALLY can't imagine anyone complaing about it (or don;t want to imagine), the area is so.. remote and the ENTIRE sim is owned by some people that let me keep it there, except the river surface area which is linden land.

So it took a little time, but in the end, Linden Lab resolved it favorably. In resolving it, they have one act of coming through on their commitment to support resident projects that enhance the enjoyment of Second Life for everyone.

So now, Linden Lab honestly deserves the gold star.

Hey, maybe if they receive praise for doing the right thing, they'll find that they like the praise and will endeavor to do more of the right thing.

I find it hard to blame the Linden who originally removed the section. He was probably doing his job in precisely the way he was told to do it. He may not have thought he had the discretion to ask a supervisor about an exception in this case.

(Now, had the staffer taken the initiative to ask a supervisor about an exception anyway, then there would be a definite gold star for this staffer too for taking the initiative. And we don't know, maybe he did ask the supervisor about an exception, but was told at that time to take it down anyway.)

Actually, they do allow you to "connect" your structures to roadways, like your own roads, or driveways, or whatever, but like has been said, the root prim has to be on your land so the prim allocation is yours (esp since autoreturn would prevent it otherwise).

With my mall, the road is so FUBAR on my side of the sim that I have to come up with some pretty bizarre methods to get UP to the road surface in most places. Still, my build overhangs the "protected land", but is anchored on my land.

Otherwise, what is the point in having a road, if you can't connect to it?