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Dnate Mars
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12-08-2006 04:47
From: Seola Sassoon You know many experts out there today that so many listen to don't have a degree?
You know that some of the most educated experts out there have gained thier knowledge off computers and databases of stored information? You do realize David Wood has no degree on paper right? (For those that don't know, he helped pioneer some major developments in cell phone technology. He was only recently awared with an honorary degree.) In fact, many 'experts' in thier field are regarded so off current retained information and experience, not a piece of paper. Hell, if my grandmother had gotten a degree when she was 24, would you consider her opinion on the subject relevant 40 years later if she hadn't furthered her education? If my roommate passes a math class with a D, does that make him a better choice to answer my question if I read the theories off the internet and understand it fully?
If you believe that a wealth of information at your fingertips cannot teach you anything, I'd say you have a lot to learn in life. Move into the digital age, try it, you'll like it.
But I guess without a degree in the related field, opinions don't count, so unless you have a piece of paper in educating in education, then I guess yours doesn't matter either. You are not understanding what I am saying. The degree does not make them an expert, per se, but if all you are relying on is the internet, a place where anyone can post anything, to make you an expert on a subject, then I would not be calling you an expert. The thing with US law is I don't think it is even possible to practice law without the degree. If you are not practicing law and you don't have a degree, how can you be called an expert? Or, then again, I could have wasted my time with my BS in Engineering and finishing my MS, right? I mean, all I have to do is google it. Even with my degree, I know I am no expert, I have way to much I need to learn before I can come close to being an expert in engineering. If you want my opinion on the subject, I for one think that the main difference between LL and other gabling site is the fact the LL doesn't buy L$ back. That coupled with the TOS (the "no value" clause) , I think that they have protection against this law. I used google and the internet to come to this conclusion, does that make me an expert on law too?
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12-08-2006 05:22
From: Dnate Mars You are not understanding what I am saying. The degree does not make them an expert, per se, but if all you are relying on is the internet, a place where anyone can post anything, to make you an expert on a subject, then I would not be calling you an expert. The thing with US law is I don't think it is even possible to practice law without the degree. If you are not practicing law and you don't have a degree, how can you be called an expert?
The same way lawyers did for many many years, before the Bar Associations forced thru these tyrannical laws prohibiting the practice without a degree, by reading the law. All degree requirements for professions do is serve to restrict the supply of people offering the service, thus ensuring a higher rate of pay for the select few allowed to practice.
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12-08-2006 05:34
From: someone The degree does not make them an expert, per se, but if all you are relying on is the internet, a place where anyone can post anything, to make you an expert on a subject, then I would not be calling you an expert. I work for a company that trains professionals (accountants, lawyers, City types, HR managers, etc...). Not a small operation... $400M market cap. We do a lot of e-learning and some of it is available for free. I'd like to think that this material is of the highest quality 
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Kalel Venkman
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12-08-2006 07:55
From: Doubledown Tandino There are several interpretations on how this will play out... and it all comes down to LL's new TOS.... does their new TOS hold users liable for gambling, or do US laws superceed LLs TOS.
Either way, gambling in SL is REAL INTERNET GAMBLING... if someone bets USD, lindens$, a car, a house, gift certiicates, chips, whatever, its gambling.
I think that in light of the fact that the Terms of Service declare Lindens to be of no particular value, the entire conversation is moot. And what do you mean by "REAL INTERNET GAMBLING" anyway? If I gamble for game tokens or lima beans on the internet, it's still "REAL INTERNET GAMBLING", because you're playing a game of chance where score is kept by some means, and you're on the internet. But there's nothing whatever wrong with gambling for game tokens or lima beans, because at that point, it's a recreational game, at the same level as playing solitaire. Though we really do need to be careful. The government could come after our lima beans.
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12-08-2006 07:56
From: Chris Norse The same way lawyers did for many many years, before the Bar Associations forced thru these tyrannical laws prohibiting the practice without a degree, by reading the law. All degree requirements for professions do is serve to restrict the supply of people offering the service, thus ensuring a higher rate of pay for the select few allowed to practice. That's all they do, huh? They have nothing to do with protecting naive clients from unscrupulous quacks? And the testing these organisations do to certify lawyers/doctors/whatever, that's just a meaningless hurdle, right?
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Seola Sassoon
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12-08-2006 08:22
From: Dnate Mars You are not understanding what I am saying. The degree does not make them an expert, per se, but if all you are relying on is the internet, a place where anyone can post anything, to make you an expert on a subject, then I would not be calling you an expert. The thing with US law is I don't think it is even possible to practice law without the degree. If you are not practicing law and you don't have a degree, how can you be called an expert?
Or, then again, I could have wasted my time with my BS in Engineering and finishing my MS, right? I mean, all I have to do is google it. Even with my degree, I know I am no expert, I have way to much I need to learn before I can come close to being an expert in engineering.
If you want my opinion on the subject, I for one think that the main difference between LL and other gabling site is the fact the LL doesn't buy L$ back. That coupled with the TOS (the "no value" clause) , I think that they have protection against this law. I used google and the internet to come to this conclusion, does that make me an expert on law too? But you assume that the only thing out there is what random people post? I'm not talking about blogs and forums, I'm talking about Harvard's site, Berkeley's site, Mayo Clinic, etc. Many dated books that were used for classes before are also available for free download through many library sites (most colleges change books every 2-4 years). There are online courses you can take for fun, that professors volunteer for. There are a plethura of legitimate resources out there to learn about whatever you want to. Question: How do you propose becoming even more knowledgeable in your area, unless you went back to full time college? Frankly, I could give a rap about a scrap of paper you earned if the guy next to you can do your job twice as fast and twice as efficiently. And aside from that, you are the one who's making a big deal out of people having opinions, funny how you use your own extreme and give an opinion yet self disqualify it. Hey, if you studied the nuances (of which there currently are none for gambling within a platform, so you've lied) then I'd take your opinion just as seriously as I would a lawyer with no experience in the field.
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Seola Sassoon
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12-08-2006 08:39
From: Johan Durant That's all they do, huh? They have nothing to do with protecting naive clients from unscrupulous quacks? And the testing these organisations do to certify lawyers/doctors/whatever, that's just a meaningless hurdle, right? Actually, you DON'T need to be bar certified to practice law exclusively. You DO need to be one to be a member of the bar, but in some states, you are allowed to work 'Pro Hac Vice' which means this one case only, wherein you can apply for that with each case you take on. You only need to have a hand in with a licensed lawyer to expedition of paperwork, but all real work is done by that person. Others yet, have no requirements to represent in court. (Would kinda put that whole line of representing yourself in court in question if you couldn't.) Also, some other states allow you to take the bar without having a degree. *gasp* Someone practicing law without a degree? For shame! In Tax Court, you need nothing to be a lawyer. Just pass a simple test and poof, you can practice. As for medicine, that is quite different, however many of the older doctors in their 70's ish that still work, do not have MD's or DO's. They were grandfathered in. Yet people still go to them.... hmmm... could it be experience trumps paper? The new entry levels are required because there is a level of accountability with someone's life directly related that has been established. As for the electronics field, many middle aged people in those fields hold no degrees either, yet they are considered experts simply because they learned. Many upper level management people in companies right now, do not hold degrees in business management because they started as the little guy and learned through the information given to them. They are more qualified than the kid with a fresh degree.
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You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later. - M.H.
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Dnate Mars
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12-08-2006 09:25
Ok, let me ask this then, who here is an expert on federal law here? If you want to claim yourself as an expert, then please explain to me why I should respect your opinion on this matter. I am no expert on the matter, I freely admit that. I just was taking what I know about law and showing how I think that legally LL is safe from this law. Take it for what it is worth, but it just seems that a lot of people are causing others to panic based solely on the opinions of people that just look at the surface of things and cry that the sky is falling.
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