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Eli Schlegal

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04-16-2009 05:01

From: Maurice Mistwallow

yea we tried that, it didn't fix it.
Would using a different version of the client affect this? I'm using the most recent "official" sl client (not an RC or anything). I wouldn't think that this would be affected by anything client side, friends lists must be kept server side (I would have to assume).

Did you try removing each other, delete calling cards, and then clear cache (both of you) and relog?

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Feldspar Millgrove

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04-16-2009 05:21

The most likely answer is that she doesn't want to be on your Friends list and keeps deleting you, but doesn't want to hurt your feelings and so keeps adding it back when you ask.

There are many reasons why people delete friends, most of them are about having a little privacy. Someone was complaining here the other day about there not being any way to be on SL secretly - no "Hide Me From Everyone" button on the login screen. So you have to delete all your Friends (or turn off the "Can See Me Online" (eyeball) icon on the list for everyone (which is impractical, and only works after you are already logged in). And they can still see you on mutual Groups or IM you or offer you inventory, even if that's turned off. (And alt accounts are not a good solution either.)

Since she keeps adding you back to Friends, I wouldn't take it too personally.

Argent Stonecutter

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04-16-2009 06:34

From: Keira Wells

When posting images, especially ginormous ones, would it be possible to avoid .png images? They're a bitch to load.

Don't tell me someone's still using a version of IE so old that PNG is still a plug-in!

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Keira Wells

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Join date: 16 Mar 2008

Posts: 2,371

04-16-2009 06:43

From: Argent Stonecutter

Don't tell me someone's still using a version of IE so old that PNG is still a plug-in!

Oh heavens no. It's just that my connection goes slow as heck occasionally, and when a page has a single .png, it takes around 3-4 times as long to load as if it has a single .jpeg, because they're so much larger. Unless it's something that suffers horribly from compression artifacts (Mathematically specific images, and small art. That's all I can think of), there's no reason not to save it as a jpeg for use online.

Earlier today, the page stopped loading aside from that image, until it was completely done, then continued. It's a hindrance, and a silly one, in my opinion.

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Maurice Mistwallow

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04-16-2009 06:53

From: Feldspar Millgrove

The most likely answer is that she doesn't want to be on your Friends list and keeps deleting you, but doesn't want to hurt your feelings and so keeps adding it back when you ask.

There are many reasons why people delete friends, most of them are about having a little privacy. Someone was complaining here the other day about there not being any way to be on SL secretly - no "Hide Me From Everyone" button on the login screen. So you have to delete all your Friends (or turn off the "Can See Me Online" (eyeball) icon on the list for everyone (which is impractical, and only works after you are already logged in). And they can still see you on mutual Groups or IM you or offer you inventory, even if that's turned off. (And alt accounts are not a good solution either.)

Since she keeps adding you back to Friends, I wouldn't take it too personally.

I am quite sure this isn't the case, since she contacts me first as often as not since I can't see her online. Also, she does have alts and her alts are still on my friends list. Besides, she is a close friend.. not just an aquaintance. If she didn't want to be on my friends list i'm quite sure that I'd be aware there was a problem.

Jackie Silverfall

One Happy Man

Join date: 28 Mar 2009

Posts: 687

04-16-2009 07:27

From: Keira Wells

Oh heavens no. It's just that my connection goes slow as heck occasionally, and when a page has a single .png, it takes around 3-4 times as long to load as if it has a single .jpeg, because they're so much larger. Unless it's something that suffers horribly from compression artifacts (Mathematically specific images, and small art. That's all I can think of), there's no reason not to save it as a jpeg for use online.

Earlier today, the page stopped loading aside from that image, until it was completely done, then continued. It's a hindrance, and a silly one, in my opinion.

Sorry about that...it was about a 700K image (upload size), which is the same size as my normal hi res JPG's. All I did was take a snapshot to my hard drive, and logged onto Flickr and used the upload menus, copied the link from the bottom of the Flickr screen and pasted that link into my forum post. I didn't even notice it was a PNG not JPG. It loads quite quickly with my Comcast HSI link so I didn't notice that it might be slow on a less speedy connection. I'll watch out for that in the future.

Jackie

Sinitta Sciavo

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Join date: 4 Dec 2008

Posts: 29

04-16-2009 07:35

At my job, my boss found himself in the very weird situation that there were three people, who just could not mail him. He could mail them fine, we all could mail them fine and we could recieve mails. It didn't matter, which computer he would use. The tech has been in and the problem is now on top level tech support. So there really could be some really, really odd database problem of sorts. Maybe, if you both send in a ticket on this problem, and keep on doing it, then they might think "Hey, wait, there might be something really odd going on here". Maybe you two are the only one realising, and there might be a lot of others out there just thinking "Hey, my friend probably is in the process of ditching me the polite way"

Just a thought (o:

Eli Schlegal

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Join date: 20 Nov 2007

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04-16-2009 08:30

aye yaye yaye you crazy redheads!

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Argent Stonecutter

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04-16-2009 08:57

From: Keira Wells

Earlier today, the page stopped loading aside from that image, until it was completely done, then continued.

Proxy problem?

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Maurice Mistwallow

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Join date: 9 Oct 2008

Posts: 23

04-16-2009 18:58

Ok, so I think I got a clue as to what is happening, but I Don't know why.

My friend and I were talking (she IM'd me first....btw) and I readded her to my friends list. I looked at my contacts and it showed her name there, and showed her online... as it should. Then I looked at the "online friends" page on the SL web site... and it did NOT show her online. I double checked.. yes she was there online on my friends list... refreshed the web page multiple times. IT showed all my other online friends but not her. It seems to me that her name is never getting saved to my friends list on the server. Adding her automatically adds her to my list, but she never makes it onto the server list so when I log out an back in... it reads my friends off of the SL servers and she isn't there so she never gets put back on my list until I add her again.

I don't know WHY this happens..... or how to fix it.... but that seems to be the situation.

Seven Okelli

last days of pompeii

Join date: 4 Dec 2008

Posts: 2,300

04-17-2009 06:44

Maybe you should open a ticket with LL. I have, and I am not premium. (I am a prize, though!)

I'm quite curious to know what it is!

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Key MacMoragh

grrr....

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04-17-2009 06:49

Here is a redhead, taken from an old Roman-era mosaic:

Eli Schlegal

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04-17-2009 06:52

From: Key MacMoragh

Here is a redhead, taken from an old Roman-era mosaic:

She's quite leggy...

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3Ring Binder

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04-17-2009 06:57

From: Maurice Mistwallow

Ok, so I think I got a clue as to what is happening, but I Don't know why.

My friend and I were talking (she IM'd me first....btw) and I readded her to my friends list. I looked at my contacts and it showed her name there, and showed her online... as it should. Then I looked at the "online friends" page on the SL web site... and it did NOT show her online. I double checked.. yes she was there online on my friends list... refreshed the web page multiple times. IT showed all my other online friends but not her. It seems to me that her name is never getting saved to my friends list on the server. Adding her automatically adds her to my list, but she never makes it onto the server list so when I log out an back in... it reads my friends off of the SL servers and she isn't there so she never gets put back on my list until I add her again.

I don't know WHY this happens..... or how to fix it.... but that seems to be the situation.

anyone dealt with this before??

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Seven Okelli

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04-17-2009 08:34

From: 3Ring Binder

anyone dealt with this before??

No, but I think there should be a thread about it.

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Jackie Silverfall

One Happy Man

Join date: 28 Mar 2009

Posts: 687

04-17-2009 08:47

From: Seven Okelli

No, but I think there should be a thread about it.

Seven - since you're here...can you check your Friends list and see if I'm still there? I will be rechecking mine at lunch time. I don't recall seeing you there (again). Thank you. Jackie

Seven Okelli

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04-17-2009 08:53

From: Jackie Silverfall

Seven - since you're here...can you check your Friends list and see if I'm still there? I will be rechecking mine at lunch time. I don't recall seeing you there (again). Thank you. Jackie

Jackie - I see you. You are my friend. I won't delete you.

I'll let you know if you slip off my friends list.

/me hugs you uncheckably

I looked at the Jira-scope:

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4515

some duplicate jiras give more info. People try all kinds of things, like

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2498

but they cannot shake the problem.

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: I learned most of what I know of Second Life through these forums.
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Can't keep my friends :(
Eli Schlegal Registered User Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 2,387	04-16-2009 05:01 From: Maurice Mistwallow yea we tried that, it didn't fix it. Would using a different version of the client affect this? I'm using the most recent "official" sl client (not an RC or anything). I wouldn't think that this would be affected by anything client side, friends lists must be kept server side (I would have to assume). Did you try removing each other, delete calling cards, and then clear cache (both of you) and relog? _____________________
Feldspar Millgrove Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 372	04-16-2009 05:21 The most likely answer is that she doesn't want to be on your Friends list and keeps deleting you, but doesn't want to hurt your feelings and so keeps adding it back when you ask. There are many reasons why people delete friends, most of them are about having a little privacy. Someone was complaining here the other day about there not being any way to be on SL secretly - no "Hide Me From Everyone" button on the login screen. So you have to delete all your Friends (or turn off the "Can See Me Online" (eyeball) icon on the list for everyone (which is impractical, and only works after you are already logged in). And they can still see you on mutual Groups or IM you or offer you inventory, even if that's turned off. (And alt accounts are not a good solution either.) Since she keeps adding you back to Friends, I wouldn't take it too personally.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	04-16-2009 06:34 From: Keira Wells When posting images, especially ginormous ones, would it be possible to avoid .png images? They're a bitch to load. Don't tell me someone's still using a version of IE so old that PNG is still a plug-in! _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Keira Wells Blender Sculptor Join date: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 2,371	04-16-2009 06:43 From: Argent Stonecutter Don't tell me someone's still using a version of IE so old that PNG is still a plug-in! Oh heavens no. It's just that my connection goes slow as heck occasionally, and when a page has a single .png, it takes around 3-4 times as long to load as if it has a single .jpeg, because they're so much larger. Unless it's something that suffers horribly from compression artifacts (Mathematically specific images, and small art. That's all I can think of), there's no reason not to save it as a jpeg for use online. Earlier today, the page stopped loading aside from that image, until it was completely done, then continued. It's a hindrance, and a silly one, in my opinion. _____________________ Tutorials for Sculpties using Blender! Http://www.youtube.com/user/BlenderSL
Maurice Mistwallow Registered User Join date: 9 Oct 2008 Posts: 23	04-16-2009 06:53 From: Feldspar Millgrove The most likely answer is that she doesn't want to be on your Friends list and keeps deleting you, but doesn't want to hurt your feelings and so keeps adding it back when you ask. There are many reasons why people delete friends, most of them are about having a little privacy. Someone was complaining here the other day about there not being any way to be on SL secretly - no "Hide Me From Everyone" button on the login screen. So you have to delete all your Friends (or turn off the "Can See Me Online" (eyeball) icon on the list for everyone (which is impractical, and only works after you are already logged in). And they can still see you on mutual Groups or IM you or offer you inventory, even if that's turned off. (And alt accounts are not a good solution either.) Since she keeps adding you back to Friends, I wouldn't take it too personally. I am quite sure this isn't the case, since she contacts me first as often as not since I can't see her online. Also, she does have alts and her alts are still on my friends list. Besides, she is a close friend.. not just an aquaintance. If she didn't want to be on my friends list i'm quite sure that I'd be aware there was a problem.
Jackie Silverfall One Happy Man Join date: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 687	04-16-2009 07:27 From: Keira Wells Oh heavens no. It's just that my connection goes slow as heck occasionally, and when a page has a single .png, it takes around 3-4 times as long to load as if it has a single .jpeg, because they're so much larger. Unless it's something that suffers horribly from compression artifacts (Mathematically specific images, and small art. That's all I can think of), there's no reason not to save it as a jpeg for use online. Earlier today, the page stopped loading aside from that image, until it was completely done, then continued. It's a hindrance, and a silly one, in my opinion. Sorry about that...it was about a 700K image (upload size), which is the same size as my normal hi res JPG's. All I did was take a snapshot to my hard drive, and logged onto Flickr and used the upload menus, copied the link from the bottom of the Flickr screen and pasted that link into my forum post. I didn't even notice it was a PNG not JPG. It loads quite quickly with my Comcast HSI link so I didn't notice that it might be slow on a less speedy connection. I'll watch out for that in the future. Jackie
Sinitta Sciavo Registered User Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 29	04-16-2009 07:35 At my job, my boss found himself in the very weird situation that there were three people, who just could not mail him. He could mail them fine, we all could mail them fine and we could recieve mails. It didn't matter, which computer he would use. The tech has been in and the problem is now on top level tech support. So there really could be some really, really odd database problem of sorts. Maybe, if you both send in a ticket on this problem, and keep on doing it, then they might think "Hey, wait, there might be something really odd going on here". Maybe you two are the only one realising, and there might be a lot of others out there just thinking "Hey, my friend probably is in the process of ditching me the polite way" Just a thought (o:
Eli Schlegal Registered User Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 2,387	04-16-2009 08:30 aye yaye yaye you crazy redheads! _____________________
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	04-16-2009 08:57 From: Keira Wells Earlier today, the page stopped loading aside from that image, until it was completely done, then continued. Proxy problem? _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Maurice Mistwallow Registered User Join date: 9 Oct 2008 Posts: 23	04-16-2009 18:58 Ok, so I think I got a clue as to what is happening, but I Don't know why. My friend and I were talking (she IM'd me first....btw) and I readded her to my friends list. I looked at my contacts and it showed her name there, and showed her online... as it should. Then I looked at the "online friends" page on the SL web site... and it did NOT show her online. I double checked.. yes she was there online on my friends list... refreshed the web page multiple times. IT showed all my other online friends but not her. It seems to me that her name is never getting saved to my friends list on the server. Adding her automatically adds her to my list, but she never makes it onto the server list so when I log out an back in... it reads my friends off of the SL servers and she isn't there so she never gets put back on my list until I add her again. I don't know WHY this happens..... or how to fix it.... but that seems to be the situation.
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	04-17-2009 06:44 Maybe you should open a ticket with LL. I have, and I am not premium. (I am a prize, though!) I'm quite curious to know what it is! _____________________ : : I met most of the people I know in Second Life through these forums. : I learned most of what I know of Second Life through these forums. : When I couldn't get inworld, these forums were the next best thing. : And sometimes these forums WERE the best thing. :
Key MacMoragh grrr.... Join date: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 659	04-17-2009 06:49 Here is a redhead, taken from an old Roman-era mosaic:
Eli Schlegal Registered User Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 2,387	04-17-2009 06:52 From: Key MacMoragh Here is a redhead, taken from an old Roman-era mosaic: She's quite leggy... _____________________
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	04-17-2009 06:57 From: Maurice Mistwallow Ok, so I think I got a clue as to what is happening, but I Don't know why. My friend and I were talking (she IM'd me first....btw) and I readded her to my friends list. I looked at my contacts and it showed her name there, and showed her online... as it should. Then I looked at the "online friends" page on the SL web site... and it did NOT show her online. I double checked.. yes she was there online on my friends list... refreshed the web page multiple times. IT showed all my other online friends but not her. It seems to me that her name is never getting saved to my friends list on the server. Adding her automatically adds her to my list, but she never makes it onto the server list so when I log out an back in... it reads my friends off of the SL servers and she isn't there so she never gets put back on my list until I add her again. I don't know WHY this happens..... or how to fix it.... but that seems to be the situation. anyone dealt with this before?? _____________________ it was fun while it lasted. http://2lf.informe.com/
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	04-17-2009 08:34 From: 3Ring Binder anyone dealt with this before?? No, but I think there should be a thread about it. _____________________ : : I met most of the people I know in Second Life through these forums. : I learned most of what I know of Second Life through these forums. : When I couldn't get inworld, these forums were the next best thing. : And sometimes these forums WERE the best thing. :
Jackie Silverfall One Happy Man Join date: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 687	04-17-2009 08:47 From: Seven Okelli No, but I think there should be a thread about it. Seven - since you're here...can you check your Friends list and see if I'm still there? I will be rechecking mine at lunch time. I don't recall seeing you there (again). Thank you. Jackie
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	04-17-2009 08:53 From: Jackie Silverfall Seven - since you're here...can you check your Friends list and see if I'm still there? I will be rechecking mine at lunch time. I don't recall seeing you there (again). Thank you. Jackie Jackie - I see you. You are my friend. I won't delete you. I'll let you know if you slip off my friends list. /me hugs you uncheckably I looked at the Jira-scope: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4515 some duplicate jiras give more info. People try all kinds of things, like http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2498 but they cannot shake the problem. _____________________ : : I met most of the people I know in Second Life through these forums. : I learned most of what I know of Second Life through these forums. : When I couldn't get inworld, these forums were the next best thing. : And sometimes these forums WERE the best thing. :

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