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Darkness Anubis
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10-11-2008 11:47
From: Ponsonby Low Those sound like excellent suggestions that could really enhance the SL experience (which is presumably what LL wants to do). I love the explosion bubble idea. In the meantime, as a quick fix: why don't they just make ban lines visible to the person who puts them up (as well as to everyone else)? Bet a lot of them would come down in a hurry. When I used them long ago I had a reason. Being able to see them would not have bothered me in the slightest and back then they were even more ugly than they are now. Some might come down but I doubt more than half would. Some folks have a reason like I did. Some folks have stopped logging in and have no clue they are still up. and Some folks just want to annoy neighbors.
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Ponsonby Low
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10-11-2008 12:09
Well, you're right, some people do put them up deliberately. And some sort of barrier (illusory as it may be, what with camming possibilities) is a good feature for SL to offer, since a number of people do want to be able to restrict access.
The concern is more about the probably-large numbers of people who don't ever realize they've put up ban lines.
If enough people are like you and don't mind seeing their own ban lines, that could be a good fix to make (having the lines be visible to all). Until Kidd Krasner's exploding bubbles come on the market, anyway. ^_~
[[[[The lines used to be UGLIER?!!?? Talk about 'good grief'!!!]]]]
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ArchTx Edo
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10-11-2008 13:11
From: Ee Maculate Why do noobs buy land next to yours, immediately put ban lines up then start building plywood monstrosoties at 300m where the ban lines don't reach?
Answers on a postcard please..... Good Grief! Why do noobs post questions on the forum, then ask for their answers to be sent to them on a postcard?
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Tegg Bode
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10-11-2008 16:54
Lol there's a mall owner in Andraca who has a 4096 and other smaller plots around the sim all empty, just used for prims for the mall, and he's had banlines up on them for nearly 2 years I know of.
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Astrid Schwade
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10-11-2008 20:53
From: Ee Maculate Why do noobs buy land next to yours, immediately put ban lines up then start building plywood monstrosoties at 300m where the ban lines don't reach? Answers on a postcard please..... Damn these noobs, damn them all to hell, and their plywood builds along with their 300 metre ban lines..300 metre ban lines  ...since when did ban lines stop at 300 metres. Why wasn't I told about this!! I do love a good rant don't you.. Astrid... 
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Kelli May
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10-12-2008 03:31
From: Ee Maculate Why do noobs buy land next to yours, immediately put ban lines up then start building plywood monstrosoties at 300m where the ban lines don't reach?
Answers on a postcard please..... 1) They restrict access to their land, not realising that it creates visible banlines to everyone else. 2) They don't realise banlines only go so high. They can't see them, after all. 3) They're new, so their builds spend a long time at the plywood stage. Given some of the amateurish attempts at texturing by apparently experienced builders, plywood isn't always a bad thing.
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Conifer Dada
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10-12-2008 04:51
One resident bought land next to mine, put a stone bungalow on it plus green pay-access lines at L$1 per hour, and never returned. I never paid L$1 to go on his land, it was left disused for a year, then reverted to the Guv'nor for auction. I was sold to another resident who put a thing like a bus shelter on it and has never been seen since!
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Ponsonby Low
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10-12-2008 12:36
From: Conifer Dada One resident bought land next to mine, put a stone bungalow on it plus green pay-access lines at L$1 per hour, and never returned. I never paid L$1 to go on his land, it was left disused for a year, then reverted to the Guv'nor for auction. I was sold to another resident who put a thing like a bus shelter on it and has never been seen since! Maybe they had reached the limits of "[Their] Imagination".
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-13-2008 06:56
From: Kidd Krasner Hmm. Maybe they could get rid of the ban lines entirely and use a different visual cue. Lipstick on a pig.
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Brenda Connolly
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10-13-2008 07:25
From: Argent Stonecutter Lipstick on a pig. A couple of months old and it already is the most over used phrase of the year.
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10-13-2008 07:38
From: Brenda Connolly A couple of months old and it already is the most over used phrase of the year. "my friends" is particularly grating too.
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Ee Maculate
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10-13-2008 08:02
From: ArchTx Edo Good Grief! Why do noobs post questions on the forum, then ask for their answers to be sent to them on a postcard? Hehe. I was hoping for some vitriol but everyone's being so damned diplomatic!
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-13-2008 08:02
From: Brenda Connolly A couple of months old and it already is the most over used phrase of the year. The earliest use of that phrase I could find via Google was by John Higdon in the TELECOM-DIGEST mailing list on January 19, 1990: From: John Higdon Well, in California COCOT lines don't get answer supervision, but they do get a reduced local rate, free intraLATA DA, and international DDD blocking. And still the COCOT slime charge for DA and commit every other tariff violation imaginable. While I agree with you that technical interface between telco and COCOT is a farce and could be greatly improved, the basic problem with COCOTs is the scum that owns and operates them. This being the case, improving the nature of COCOT class of service would be putting lipstick on a pig. That makes it over 230 months old, which is an awfully big "couple".  Later in 1990 it was used by Russ Cage, quoting an unnamed Ford engineer: From: Russ Cage "Replaces carburetors" is correct. A TBI (throttle-body injector) is a glorified carburetor and offers few advantages. Metering of fuel is more precise, but pooling of fuel in the manifold and other problems of carburetors remain.
Ford has gone completely to sequential ported fuel injection to get rid of these problems. One upper Ford engineer has been quoted as saying that "Throttle-body injection is like putting lipstick on a pig." So that's the first second-degree reference. Later references seem to attribute it to Governor Anne Richards of Texas.
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Wald Schridde
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10-13-2008 09:09
Seems like it would be simple for LL to modify the viewer so that we could optionally turn off rendering of ban lines. Then I wouldn't have to look at my neighbor's ugly ban lines, and they would still have their "privacy". With all the complaints about ban lines, I'm really surprised LL hasn't done something like this.
I know that my neighbors don't want others on their land, and I know where the boundaries are, so I really don't need to be able to see the ban lines when I am at home. I would turn ban line rendering on again when flying through unfamiliar territory, to avoid running into them. Why not give us the choice?
BTW, when I see an interesting build surrounded by ban lines, I often stop and use the camera controls to thoroughly explore what's behind the lines. If there were no ban lines, I wouldn't bother.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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10-13-2008 09:43
From: Ee Maculate Hehe.
I was hoping for some vitriol but everyone's being so damned diplomatic! I blame California. (^_^)
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Brenda Connolly
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10-13-2008 09:46
From: Argent Stonecutter The earliest use of that phrase I could find via Google was by John Higdon in the TELECOM-DIGEST mailing list on January 19, 1990: That makes it over 230 months old, which is an awfully big "couple".  Later in 1990 it was used by Russ Cage, quoting an unnamed Ford engineer: So that's the first second-degree reference. Later references seem to attribute it to Governor Anne Richards of Texas. I was referring to it's recent usage during the election season. But thanks for looking it up.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-13-2008 12:25
From: Wald Schridde Seems like it would be simple for LL to modify the viewer so that we could optionally turn off rendering of ban lines. Then I wouldn't have to look at my neighbor's ugly ban lines, and they would still have their "privacy". With all the complaints about ban lines, I'm really surprised LL hasn't done something like this. They have. You now have to be right next to them to see them. The problem is not just the ban lines, it's the access controls themselves... no matter how they're visualized. That was the point of my "lipstick" comment. When I say that no more than 10% of the users know what the results of that checkbox are, I mean that no more than 10% know that that checkbox will make people bounce off the border of their land, even. Really.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-13-2008 12:27
From: Brenda Connolly I was referring to it's recent usage during the election season. But thanks for looking it up. I don't watch TV, so I wasn't consciously aware of what "its recent usage" was until I googled it. To me (I'm in Texas) it's an Anne-Richards-ism.
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Escaped Loon
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10-13-2008 18:54
From: TundraFire Nightfire It's not only noobs who do this. I don't think it's very fair to blame everything bad that pops up inworld SL on noobs. I appreciate all the people who gave me a hand and were helpful and nice my first few days and weeks I was new. teh only thing worsed than n00bz was hitler and p0 pov
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Brenda Connolly
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10-13-2008 18:58
/me whips off her pants and waves them in salute.
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10-13-2008 19:49
From: Brenda Connolly A couple of months old and it already is the most over used phrase of the year. I can tolerate any phrase as long as it doesn't contain both "Wall Street" and "Main Street". Good grief!!!!
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Ponsonby Low
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10-13-2008 19:54
From: Wald Schridde BTW, when I see an interesting build surrounded by ban lines, I often stop and use the camera controls to thoroughly explore what's behind the lines. If there were no ban lines, I wouldn't bother.
There ya go. The check-off box in About Land that results in ban lines should read: "By checking this box you will create a cage of bright-red lines around your build, which will be an irresistable magnet to countless avatars who will spend hours camming around every nook and cranny of your dull abode." I suppose they'd have to reconfigure the window to fit all that in. But it would have the virtue of being True.
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Kasuga Hax
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10-14-2008 04:09
Sometimes I get stuck between two parcels with their own banlines, simply bouncing me around like a pinball. They're really hard to notice too. >  Why buying a land, and not let anyone on it? Make a private house then, with LOCKS!
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10-14-2008 05:09
From: Brenda Connolly /me whips off her pants and waves them in salute. Geez Brenda, you look for *any* excuse!  What I wonder is why a person feels the need to ridicule newer citizens. Everyone was new once. Everyone has made mistakes. And everyone should get the chance to play with their prims. (hehe) If and when I buy a little 512 plot, look out! If there's no covenant, you're likely to see a shanty one day, a lily pond the next, and 117 plywood torus the day after that. Heck, you could see a shack with a pickup up on blocks because I ran out of prims!
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Clarissa Lowell
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10-14-2008 05:52
From: Weston Graves I have ranted needlessly in the past about the issue of ban lines and I have matured to realize the virtual world is for everyone. Other residents are not there to please me. I am attempting to rise above voicing opinions about people who think they are so interesting everyone must be spying on them and wants to intrude on them, and they must put up ban lines to protect their staggeringly interesting selves.
So I won't say those kinds of things. I don't like ban lines either - but after having a constant stream of intruders rezzing themselves into my living room, usually while I was changing clothes...And who'd refuse to leave and wander around my home instead as if it was theirs...I now understand them. (to the person who said 'get a lock' - does nothing if someone tp's in. not to mention, people doin' the do on someone's rooftop. i've seen that too. oh, my innocent sl eyes!)
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