Gaming Xstreet?

Does anyone think that people posting every version of their products, taking up pages of xstreet listings , gaming the system a bit?
I mean differant products sure, but the same product with a differant listing for each subtle colour?

What do you mean by "each subtle color"?

If we're talking about something that comes in say red, yellow, green, blue, purple, black, orange, pink, brown, white, or tie-dye, yeah, there has to be a listing for each and every last one of them unless they're just selling all together in one box.

If, on the other hand, they have 15 different shades of red, each different from the others only because the 0-255 number value for the color of red has been changed from 254 to 253 (for example), then that is absolutely gaming the system.

More info would be useful.

Meh, that's kind of a limitation of Xstreet, it you want to sell 31 flavors you have to make 31 listings.

well I mean so it takes up pages and pages...
I mean it is thier right to do so I guess, but it gets annoying when looking for something.

This is part of why I only shop in-world.

It makes it harder to find stuff from the sellers who have to do that too, I don't think anyone wins from the flat layout :/ I know that LL is aware of the mess and they'll cheerfully tell everyone "we hear you!" but I'm not sure anyone listens.

Most of the time I search in xstreet and if I find something I may be interested in I go to the in game location
But if I have to scroll thru pages and pages I won't be bothered to buy from them anyway
But that is just me.

As a merchant I have the choice of putting up all the colour choices avaliable on Xstreet or not.

I choose to do this for several reasons

a) exposure. the more of my items on Xstreet the more chanceof someone finding me

b) choice for the customer. If i only put up say the fat packs on xstreet i am not giving the customer the choice to buy them individually. I dont like limiting my customers choice

c) It is siply easier for me than making note on each ad that it is also avaliable in X colours and adding pictures to the single ad of the other colours which may also confuse the customer.



I do however try tospread out when i release thigns onto XStreet so they should never all be together in a bunch they should be spread out throughout the search.


But really Xstreet brings me in sales, and rarely if ever of a fat pack so having the invidiual colours on there is good.

Personallyi would prefer another syste where omeone picks an item when goes in to pick the colour.

But we are limited by the syste, and have to make do

That's why mine are all tintable [I'm lazy lol ] plus the shoe color matching was driving me crazy But that's just me. I can understand why designers do that and lots offer color Fat Packs. I always loved it that Nonna Hedges made all her items tintable so when I decided to make stuff, I vowed it would be totally tintable.

All my stuff is fully mod so therefore tintable, however people dont see to like to tint things in general. im not sure why

I hear ya, but being a freak about color matching [to the point of being considered OCD by my family and friends] I decided to concentrate on textures/patterns/form and my stuff is fairly casual. No dresses for this casual clothes freak, I leave that to the folks who are much better at it than I am.

I hear ya, but being a freak about color matching [to the point of being considered OCD by my family and friends] I decided to concentrate on textures/patterns/form and my stuff is fairly casual. No dresses for this casual clothes freak, I leave that to the folks who are much better at it than I am.

Hehehehee im the same. I have made a few dresses here and here but im not a fan of them in general. I far prefer making mix and match pieces

It is irritating, but there is no other option for multi colors for the same item sold on one listing. I never do more than a couple color choices, if that, because I get too bored working with the same item for too long.

I can't stand all the demos thrown in with the freebies and dollar items. Demos need their own listing.

It's kinda tedious if you're browsing a merchant to find something, but gaming the system? Not at all. It's just how XStreet works. Many merchants would prefer 1 listing, with a color option/choice for variations on each seperate listing, simply because it will make Xstreet more convenient to use for customers, increasing the amount of people who do actually use it.

Such a change would require a bit of an overhaul of the website model though. Been there, done that in the past. The difference between a 1-2 tier website model or one with more tiers or even a matrix model is quite big. In terms of size, Xstreet could definitely do with a matrix-modeled data system. Something that bankrupted some starting webshops I've worked for, because they "wanted the best and most versatile because they were so good", but underestimated the costs and the time involved to develop such a thing.
On top of that, a matrix modeled webshop would be a bit harder again for all the merchants here to maintain. Everyone could sort out how to put stuff up for sale, just the learning curve on how to do it right would be a bit higher again.

There are already merchants who don't use it, simply because they can't figure it out at first. Xstreet is free to use, untill you start selling, at which point you pay only a very modest fee, so there's no reason for merchants not to use it. Still, I'm missing a LOT of known and active content creators, who could reduce quite some lag from their mainshop by simply going on Xstreet.

As Xstreet gets more integrated into SL, i think the system will get too big for its own good.....which will result in more people wanting to shop inworld. The reason I say that, is XStreet search system will get too cluttered to be useful, having to wade through pages and pages of variations of the same thing.

When i joined SL in 2006, i used SLEX exclusively to purchasing products or doing research and then going inworld to buy. I suppose it will come down to which search system is more frustrating to use.......XStreet or SL's. I find that I'm using XStreet less and less searching for products...with the exception of Gadgets & Prefabs (buying inworld though)

I do not like to tint the outfits I buy because I am color-blind. I buy outfits and wear them assuming the maker is better at matching colors than I.

What I do not get, is how they do it so fast that all the 20 versions show up in order on the new product page.

There are much more blatant and obvious ways that people as you call " game " that system. But the biggest gamer of them all is the people that collect a commission on all the stuff and then treat you like a child in return.

well i do mine in the middle of the night for the US and he middle of the day for europeans so my guess is not as many people would be doing it when i am... but i try to spread mine out anyway

I don't use Xstreet for anything, neither for selling nor for buying - I don't even look there - but it's not "gaming" to put the items that are for sale there, no matter how many of them are very similar.

They don't treat us like children - they treat us as though we don't matter.

I wouldn't use the word "gaming" for LL either. I'd use the word "unscrupulous" because they try hard to divert people away from the stores in SL - the very world that they created - and towards their own off-world selling area where they get a cut of the sales. That's just plain nasty, imo.

Well, vendors who'd want to get people visit their stores, could simply charge more on Xstreet than they do at their store. Increase the price you charge on XStreet by 5.3%, and you're earning as much from selling on XStreet as you do from selling at your own store.

Interestingly enough, I see some people charge *less* on XStreet than what they charge at their store.

And I agree with often finding things on XStreet, and then checking them out at the store itself. Merchants often don't put *everything* they have on XStreet, just some highlights.
You're also definitely missing out on (group) special prices and midnight mania's by only buying from XStreet. And as a final point: many merchants have models in their showrooms, showing how the item looks in world, which is a better guide than some photoshopped image on XStreet. I've even been to clothestores where some models were able to change their outfit to the outfit you were interested in if you asked nicely.

So shopping in-world definitely has it's advantages, and so has shopping on XStreet.
It's up to the merchants themselves to work out how to handle these two seperate outlets, and make the most of them.

Actually its just a plain businessgame, and very brilliant. I wonder if LL has a cubicle called "Informaschennn Ministry" - Those who control the information flow are in control.

And they treat me like a child, because every piece of correspondance from them seems to say " after review of your account" followed by a template style of a negative answer.


They even have the balls to laugh at my name sometime when I tell them who I am on the phone..

It would be a very stupid move if this were LL policy....as shops close, particularly on Mainland, they'd lose a chunk of their Tiers. Last i heard, land & SIM tiers was still somewhere between 80-90% of their overall income....that might have gone down a tad by adding XStreet commissions, but i doubt those commissions could ever make serious inroads to their Land income model.

multiple tabs open each with the version of the new product
copy and paste the final text into each and make the modifications appropriate to the item (colour usually) and add the appropriate pictures
then move from one to the other and submit

unfortunately that's the easiest way to do it. We asked years ago for the ability to have one default item and then a submenu system for the various colours and were told they were looking into it. Whether it happens now that LL has taken over remains to be seen but is unlikely.

When I see a page full same items in different colors
I skip two pages

if the FIRST item on the page is still the same, I skip two more

until I see a different first item (say I'm now on page 27)

I look over the page (27)
go to the page before it (26)
and then the page after (2

and return to normal page-turning.

That way, I go through quickly and don't miss anything.

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