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Ricardo Harris
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04-06-2008 21:29
If you read the following post, you'll see that the news is accompanied by some rather negative comments aimed at the Lindens. http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2008/04/moment-of-truth.html QUOTE] Negative comments aimed at Linden? There's something you don't see everyday. |
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Cristalle Karami
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04-06-2008 22:11
Squandered is a nice word to use. There might be something I'm missing here, like maybe they can't use what he did due to licensing or something? If that's not the case, they really really screwed up. They really really screwed up, Atashi. _____________________
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Raymond Figtree
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04-06-2008 22:16
Unlike some of the bad decisions that they were forced into for legal reasons (like VAT), there is no good reason to not have incorporated what Nicolaz did for SL. Can you imagine all the hours he put into this? I can't blame him at all for being angry.
I know the competition that will come along someday is learning from LL's mistakes. But do they have to make so many? _____________________
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
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04-06-2008 23:29
I know the competition that will come along someday is learning from LL's mistakes. But do they have to make so many? However. At some point you've made too many mistakes, and the company loses momentum and begins that slow slide to closure under the weight of them. Alienating the open source community ... when they've sucked a pile of knowledge from your codebase and can go elsewhere ... the mistakes are piling up, LL. I won't list them, I will just say ... choose your new CEO wisely. . |
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Raymond Figtree
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04-06-2008 23:40
I won't list them, I will just say ... choose your new CEO wisely. . _____________________
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Sally Silvera
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04-07-2008 02:59
Thank you for posting this Miles.
It is a sad day for SL, when one so committed, enthusiastic and productive as Nicholaz gives up. Understandable though. I for one will hang onto his BE-v for as long as I possibly can and for as long as it continues to fool the fools at LL. . _____________________
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Larissa Lomax
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04-07-2008 03:16
NOOOOOOOOO
I use Nicholaz when I DJ mostly and find I can go hours without crashing problems, with the regular viewer or release candidate I can only go so long before I sloooow right down and crash.. I'll be clinging onto it for as long as possible well  _____________________
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Kitty Barnett
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04-07-2008 03:47
Squandered is a nice word to use. There might be something I'm missing here, like maybe they can't use what he did due to licensing or something? If that's not the case, they really really screwed up. One reason why LL not accepting patches is such a pain is because it means he could be forced to redo all his previous work everytime LL releases a new viewer that doesn't incoorperate the patch (if he's lucky things didn't change much and he just has to do the same changes all over, if he's unlucky things changed so much that he has to start from scratch). Not terribly useful as a metric (one patch could change the spelling of a word and took 10 minutes, while another could fix a memory leak that could have taken hours/days) but by sheer number of contributions alone (http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Source_contributions) he stands/stood out by far. |
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Pie Psaltery
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04-07-2008 04:55
On a positive note... perhaps this will give him more time to look into other virtual world platforms that might actually pay him to figure out how to make their service as reliable and stable as possible. Or at least use the fact that so far he's been willing to do all this work for free to their best advantage.
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Solomon Devoix
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04-07-2008 06:06
Some blog entries have comments open. I'd like to suggest that instead of using those posts for the usual (and quite understandable / proper) griping about what's wrong that they'll never fix, we use the opportunity to quote the relevant sections of that blog entry of Nick's. Give the search engines something common (i.e. wording all the same) to index and bring up whenever anyone types "Second Life" into a search engine.
I feel about this the same way I felt (feel) about ad farms: the only way to get LL to do something about it, is to make the stink as big and public as possible. So they'll do something about it because the dear members of the press / investors / potential IPO types might see it. _____________________
I dont know what the actual answer is.. I just know LLs response was at best...flaccid. That's a very good way to put it, and now I know why we still haven't seen the promised blog entry... ...the Lindens are still waiting for their shipment of Lie-agra to come in to firm up their flaccid reasoning. |
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
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04-07-2008 06:19
Too Bad. The Nicholaz viewer is what kept me in SL for as long as I have. I'm with you, Brenda. If the time comes that a SL viewer is mandatory that does not run with Nicholaz, I'll either be on the bus out with you, or not in world as often. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-07-2008 07:00
I'm with you, Brenda. If the time comes that a SL viewer is mandatory that does not run with Nicholaz, I'll either be on the bus out with you, or not in world as often. I might still be in world, I just won't be able to go anywhere. Windlight better be good, because all I will have will be the view from my back porch.  _____________________
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Raudf Fox
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04-07-2008 07:06
I might still be in world, I just won't be able to go anywhere. Windlight better be good, because all I will have will be the view from my back porch. Oh, it's not worth it. It's pretty and all, but the resource hog that it is means no more multi-tasking for me. When I needed to be online while working on a texture, I'd swap to the non-windlight viewer. Can't do that now. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-07-2008 07:10
Oh, it's not worth it. It's pretty and all, but the resource hog that it is means no more multi-tasking for me. When I needed to be online while working on a texture, I'd swap to the non-windlight viewer. Can't do that now. You can, as long as Nicholaz last viewer keeps working. It may not be a 1.19 series, but it works fine for me. _____________________
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Love Hastings
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04-07-2008 07:13
LL may not be incorporating vital stability bug fixes, but they are making the interface pretty!
From the blog: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/19/dazzle/ How is making stuff look better going to improve my experience? Aesthetics matter. Seemingly small changes make a big difference. A simple psychological exercise: think about eating a steak in a prison cell with harsh fluorescent lights. Then, think about eating that very same steak in a posh restaurant by candlelight. Which experience would you prefer? And which would you regard as the higher quality? In a similar way, even if actual inworld content looks the same (like the steak), if the environment you use to experience it — the user interface — looks awful, you’re likely going to feel uncomfortable and annoyed, even if you can’t describe exactly why. We’ve already had numerous instances of small changes clearly making big differences: some of you may remember when no-modify notecards were difficult to read because they had dark gray text on a somewhat lighter gray background. Changing the colors, a straightforward tweak, helped a lot. And in Dazzle, it’s even better. So it may not work, but it will look pretty, and in the end, that's all we really want. _____________________
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2k Suisei
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04-07-2008 07:28
LL may not be incorporating vital stability bug fixes, but they are making the interface pretty! From the blog: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/19/dazzle/ So it may not work, but it will look pretty, and in the end, that's all we really want. It's true. Even my SL neighbors' washine machine doesn't work, her toilet doesn't flush and her TV hasn't broadcast a picture since day one. Yet she still bought the damn things. "It's not supposed to work, they're just there to look pretty!!" So why do we expect SL to work?. It's a pretend world!. It's not supposed to work!. |
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Atashi Yue
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04-07-2008 07:31
Rex Viewer still works for me too.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-07-2008 07:35
LL may not be incorporating vital stability bug fixes, but they are making the interface pretty! From the blog: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/19/dazzle/ So it may not work, but it will look pretty, and in the end, that's all we really want.  Oh for Chrissakes! Are they kidding?I laughed outloud on that one. The steak in prison analogy is so extreme, it's almost a Godwin. Plus if I am eating a steak in my cell, I'm getting the needle after dessert so yeah, that may color my experience just a bit.  A better analogy may be having that steak in a Posh Restaurant or a Greasy Spoon Diner. I may have a better experience in the nice place, especially if someone else is paying, but if the steak isn't any good, then I won't be coming back. Style vs Substance. _____________________
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Love Hastings
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04-07-2008 07:40
Thing of it is, I totally didn't realize that I was annoyed by the user interface as opposed to the crashes. Until they told me. Silly me.
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Virrginia Tombola
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Join date: 10 Nov 2006
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04-07-2008 08:32
I tried to log on with the Old School on Friday, and SL required me to download a newer version of the client :/
I was using the Old School for my laptop (which doesn't have the minimum system requirements). I could do basic building and hang about with the Old School. I can still sign on, but I can't even load up scripts to work on them. At least I can still do inventory management and handle IMs when I'm on the road, but I don't see why they had to mandate the update--it was working just fine earlier this week. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-07-2008 08:33
I tried to log on with the Old School on Friday, and SL required me to download a newer version of the client :/ I was using the Old School for my laptop (which doesn't have the minimum system requirements). I could do basic building and hang about with the Old School. I can still sign on, but I can't even load up scripts to work on them. At least I can still do inventory management and handle IMs when I'm on the road, but I don't see why they had to mandate the update--it was working just fine earlier this week. Try the BE-V. _____________________
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Sindy Tsure
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04-07-2008 08:35
Friday Anything done Friday or Saturday doesn't really count.. The problems then didn't have anything to do with the viewer. |
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Gordon Wendt
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04-07-2008 11:43
This is a truly sad day. We can only hope that LL won't force an update that will break Be-V anytime soon.
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Virrginia Tombola
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04-07-2008 12:56
Anything done Friday or Saturday doesn't really count.. The problems then didn't have anything to do with the viewer. In my case, I am fairly certain they did. The thing of the matter is that my cheap little BestBuy laptop I use on the road doesn't have the SL minimum system requirements. It worked acceptably with minimal draw distance, etc for about a year, until it started crashing fairly regularly. Then someone told me about the Nicholaz client, and I stayed with the Old School on the principle of "if it isn't broken, why fix it?". The Old School worked for me until I wasn't allowed to use it anymore. I see no reason why I shouldn't have been allowed to attempt to use the older client, at least. A simple warning (such as I used to get) that I was using the outdated client would have sufficed. And thank you for the tip about BE-v, Brenda, I will have to try that. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-07-2008 13:00
In my case, I am fairly certain they did. The thing of the matter is that my cheap little BestBuy laptop I use on the road doesn't have the SL minimum system requirements. It worked acceptably with minimal draw distance, etc for about a year, until it started crashing fairly regularly. Then someone told me about the Nicholaz client, and I stayed with the Old School on the principle of "if it isn't broken, why fix it?". The Old School worked for me until I wasn't allowed to use it anymore. I see no reason why I shouldn't have been allowed to attempt to use the older client, at least. A simple warning (such as I used to get) that I was using the outdated client would have sufficed. And thank you for the tip about BE-v, Brenda, I will have to try that. I used the Old School for quite awhile, then went to BE-V, and there was a bit of an improvement. Hopefully it wil be usuable for awhile. _____________________
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