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Did you ever Camp

Jessica Elytis
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01-12-2008 11:04
Never camped. No way I could just sit there. Even when away, I have my PC downloading stuff, so not gonna have SL dragging down the bandwidth.

However, when I joined MoneyTrees were still very popular. I did have my route for them, and hit them extensively on my first 30 days.

They did have an effect though. As I kept all those LM's and re-visted them once I was "settled" in SL. I have shopped and explored at those places kind enough to help give me a starting hand.

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Monalisa Robbiani
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01-12-2008 11:21
This poll is biased because the only people posting here have payment info. Most campers don't have payment info. It's a known fact that because of that these forums here are extremely anti-camp.

There is one option missing: I still camp, but it's not my main income.
Isabeau Imako
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01-12-2008 11:33
From: Monalisa Robbiani
This poll is biased because the only people posting here have payment info. Most campers don't have payment info. It's a known fact that because of that these forums here are extremely anti-camp.

There is one option missing: I still camp, but it's not my main income.


What your saying doesn't really make sense since about half who responded said that they have camped in the past, and some still do. I didn't get any 'anti' vibe at all - just preferences.
Of course, those who don't have payment info would change the results of any polls posted here, but that's a given.
Colette Meiji
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01-12-2008 11:49
From: Isabeau Imako
What your saying doesn't really make sense since about half who responded said that they have camped in the past, and some still do. I didn't get any 'anti' vibe at all - just preferences.
Of course, those who don't have payment info would change the results of any polls posted here, but that's a given.


I am anti camp, so Ill fix that.

*****Sending Anti-Camping vibe NOW*****



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Actually I am just against Traffic gaming. I figure once the traffic stat is gone, anyone who still wants to pay campers, and anyone who wants to camp - can do so whenever they would like.
MadKitty Aabye
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Join date: 11 Oct 2007
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01-12-2008 12:35
I tried it a little when I first got here, then learned what the exchange rate to U.S. dollars was and decided it was silly to waste time when I could buy L$ for hardly anything.
Kelli May
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01-12-2008 12:36
It took me a few weeks in SL before I even realised land-owners would pay you just to stand around making their place look busy. I think I'd already bought some L$ by then, and knew it was cheaper than spending money to keep my PC running.

That didn't stop me from doing it, but it was nothing to do with stupidity or greed (I hope). A few friends & I used to frequent a place with a great cheesy disco stream and reasonable camping rates (in fact, I think they'd be considered fantastic by today's standards). Why did we do it? Because it was a great place to hang out. If we couldn't all get on dance pads, the rest of us would just dance on our chims nearby. In fact, I'm sure we jumped off dance-pads occasionally to give someone else a turn. I didn't think there was much difference between dancing at a club and dancing at a camping area, and still don't. If I was with the same group of friends, and that sort of place was available I'd probably do the same now. Our avs weren't sitting around wasting electricity like many campers... we were doing exactly what we'd be doing otherwise, just getting paid for it too.

The option I'd vote for "When I first came to SL, to dance and hang out, the money was just a bonus" wasn't listed :)
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Monalisa Robbiani
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01-12-2008 12:51
From: Colette Meiji


Actually I am just against Traffic gaming. I figure once the traffic stat is gone, anyone who still wants to pay campers, and anyone who wants to camp - can do so whenever they would like.


It's a misconception that camping exists solely for traffic. My favorite camp spot boots not only bots and alts but also people who don't chat and are inactive for hours. It's not a club though or a shop, but a RL company who uses this site to promote their brand. They have all sorts of activities, parties, competetions, and a live greeter 24/7 who works there for a RL wage. This camp spot actually pays off too - they pay triple to 5 times more than a regular camp chair.

If botting and alting finally goes I am all for it. But camping itself is not bad. It is advertising - much the same way like clicking a web banner is.
Colette Meiji
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01-12-2008 12:54
From: Monalisa Robbiani
It's a misconception that camping exists solely for traffic. My favorite camp spot boots not only bots and alts but also people who don't chat and are inactive for hours. It's not a club though or a shop, but a RL company who uses this site to promote their brand. They have all sorts of activities, parties, competetions, and a live greeter 24/7 who works there for a RL wage. This camp spot actually pays off too - they pay triple to 5 times more than a regular camp chair.

If botting and alting finally goes I am all for it. But camping itself is not bad. It is advertising - much the same way like clicking a web banner is.


The vast majority of camping activities are Traffic stat gaming related.

Those few that aren't wont be affected by the traffic stat disappearing.
Lilliana Roux
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I camped
01-12-2008 12:57
I camped because...well obviously I needed the money for stuff, I did not know enough about SL and the content to know I would want to buy stuff enough to spend rl $, and most importantly I camped because if I am going to stay logged in to SL and wash dishes or vacuum I mind as well be making something for my time there. I'd find a sim with great music and enjoy listening while getting some things done and making a little L.
Lilliana Roux
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01-12-2008 13:05
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not a day in my second life... then again when I got here I ran into some of the now top design people and being a newbie they felt bad for me (or couldn't stand hanging out with a newb) and I got several quality items for free from them (something I try to do now too)

but I find the abuse campers funny... saw one for dumpster diving, cleaning toilet bowls, and a few others....

the concept isn't completely broken, it could be used to flesh out a regular staff to spiff up a location... sort of like temp work that you don't have to advertise for or keep track of employees... although the closest I've seen to this is open dance poles at clubs with linked tip jars that take a percentage for the club...

but I swear I'm going to make a fast food restuarant with campers that wear huds and respond to things like menu selections just as a proof of concept... wouldn't be that much different than having a 'live' cashier at your store. pay them based on time, and also on sales that go through them... maybe they'll drum up some free advertising in the process (after all they get commision)... you get a semi live employee, your location gets traffic and maybe some word of mouth, and the camper is made useful as an employee... not to mention the novelty factor for customers.



That is a cool idea.
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01-12-2008 14:15
From: Salvador Nakamura
Did you ever Camp

certainly!
Kenbro Utu
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01-12-2008 14:27
Never camped. I had no time for camping when I first joined. If I wasn't learning to build, then I was exploring. Besides, I had good friends and family well-established here in SL already. My first day in I had a Max skin, flexi hair, new clothes, and spending money given to me. After a few days they also rented us a 4096 private beach and paid for it for a few months. After that I bought Lindens when needed, until my products started selling well and have not bought Lindens since. The miniscule amounts to be made by camping never appealed to me.
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01-12-2008 14:45
From: Monalisa Robbiani
This poll is biased because the only people posting here have payment info. Most campers don't have payment info. It's a known fact that because of that these forums here are extremely anti-camp.
Still... I thought about my family's electric bill when I looked at camping... Or, really, they yelled at me about it. Something like "IF THAT COMPUTER IS GOING TO BE ON, YOU BETTER BE DOING SOMETHING WITH IT!!!" (>o<;).

So... things like screensavers, slideshows, and SL camping are just silly and lead to more beatings. (^_^)

Srsly... Someone do the math... What is the L$ vs electric bill $ come out to. Is it gonna be like the $140 pizza - credit card thing?
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01-12-2008 17:21
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Still... I thought about my family's electric bill when I looked at camping... Or, really, they yelled at me about it. Something like "IF THAT COMPUTER IS GOING TO BE ON, YOU BETTER BE DOING SOMETHING WITH IT!!!" (>o<;).

So... things like screensavers, slideshows, and SL camping are just silly and lead to more beatings. (^_^)

Srsly... Someone do the math... What is the L$ vs electric bill $ come out to. Is it gonna be like the $140 pizza - credit card thing?

I run a server, sometimes clients like seti@home, etc, this computer has been running constantly ~7-8 years minus downtime for upgrades (mostly fans, an HD or two, new stuff) and moving...

but yeah if all you're doing is camping for L$ it'd be cheaper to buy them at around 2.5k/10US
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Raudf Fox
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01-12-2008 17:38
I camped when I was getting started back up, building up stock and well, getting ready for the first store. I didn't see a reason to not take someone else's L$ while sitting doing nothing and hey, comp ran SL and Photoshop just fine. Of course, this was back when there was Dev Incentives and camping was paying out anywhere from 5 to 10 L$ per 10 minutes.

Now, I don't need to camp. I do just fine without it, but I'm looking into doing a lucky chair for the shop.
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Har Fairweather
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01-12-2008 17:59
I camped quite a bit in the beginning. I chose to "play" SL as if I were a poor immigrant, like many who came to America with little or nothing, using just the payment info bonus offered at that time and whatever I could garner in world. Comparing the electric bill was not a consideration for me. I found it very useful - the equivalent of menial jobs available a century ago to penniless, illiterate immigrants just off the boat, but with the advantage of being clean, indoor work with no heavy lifting. No, the pay wasn't much, but it was enough, with careful spending, to get started.

I suspect many people entering SL for the first time will want to begin with little or no expenditure of RL money - and many of them will get hooked if they can be induced to hang around long enough. And some people may indeed be on such constrained RL budgets that they have to think this way. Camping or something like it tailored to serve newbies would be a really good thing for SL, IMO.

The problem is defeating bots, if you want to help SL. Maybe incorporating a Captcha feature in camping seats or dance pads? Works elsewhere on the Web.
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01-12-2008 20:34
I used to camp as a n00b, only with one account ..... not logging in multiple alts, not using an anti-idle script. I would leave the system logged in and wander by to shake the mouse and type a comment every 20 minutes or so.

But, after about a month of that, I found other ways to get the income I needed.

Personally, I hate camping. I manage a club that has a few (6) camp spots. We check for bots, and eject/ban camp bots when found. If it were my decision, camp would be gone. But, I'm just a manager, not the owner.

If I walk into a mall / club and see 20+ camp pads, I just walk out and never return.
Dagmar Kohime
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01-12-2008 20:44
I camped once.
For about a minute.
Then I just couldn't stand it anymore and I left and I've never done it since.
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01-12-2008 21:37
From: Har Fairweather
I camped quite a bit in the beginning. I chose to "play" SL as if I were a poor immigrant, like many who came to America with little or nothing, using just the payment info bonus offered at that time and whatever I could garner in world. Comparing the electric bill was not a consideration for me. I found it very useful - the equivalent of menial jobs available a century ago to penniless, illiterate immigrants just off the boat, but with the advantage of being clean, indoor work with no heavy lifting. No, the pay wasn't much, but it was enough, with careful spending, to get started.

I suspect many people entering SL for the first time will want to begin with little or no expenditure of RL money - and many of them will get hooked if they can be induced to hang around long enough. And some people may indeed be on such constrained RL budgets that they have to think this way. Camping or something like it tailored to serve newbies would be a really good thing for SL, IMO.

The problem is defeating bots, if you want to help SL. Maybe incorporating a Captcha feature in camping seats or dance pads? Works elsewhere on the Web.

And seeing the flashy wardrobe you sport, it is amazing you put it together by camping. While it's not my thing, I see nothing wrong in real people camping. I like some o the atmospheric campers, they do add a touch rather than the dancing or sitting zombies.
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Colette Meiji
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01-12-2008 21:38
From: Brenda Connolly
And seeing the flashy wardrobe you sport, it is amazing you put it together by camping. While it's not my thing, I see nothing wrong in real people camping. I like some o the atmospheric campers, they do add a touch rather than the dancing or sitting zombies.


actually if theyd actually do themselves up as Zombies, it would be an improvement.
Shep Planer
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01-12-2008 23:13
I dont camp and I dont get why anyone does. Campers are just being used as traffic increasers for the land owners.
EliteData Maximus
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01-13-2008 06:20
there are plenty of money-bots on SL that camp to convert L$ to $.
an example of this, go look at the sim "france money camp".
9 out of every 10 are bots.
the owner of the sim soon realized this and changed the price/time ratio of the camp benches and removed the highest paying in shortest time camping spots.
also, "money island", another sim loaded with bots.
the L$10 for 10 minute bench had 2 seats, at times you could find 10 bots all fighting for a spot.
this owner changed all the sit camping spots with an added dialog to click within 30 seconds or you get unseated.
however, it wont be long before another open source client is developed that will allow the auto replying of this.
how to detect a bot:
most bots will stand with their knees bent forward.
they never rotate their heads in any direction.
there are plenty of other things that can give away a bot, but these are the two absolute most common ones that cannot be fixed by any type of client command.
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