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Cortex Draper
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01-23-2008 04:59
Was it wrong for me to kick him with no refund ? Who would have this guy so long and so many chances without booting him ? I think you should have booted him much much earlier (as soon as he started to cause trouble), but given the refund for any time he had left. A disagreement between 2 people in business happens sometimes (mainly because some people are ******) and the best thing to do is end it as soon as possible as legally fair to both sides as possible. |
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Liderc Dagger
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Join date: 28 May 2007
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01-23-2008 05:14
I am a merchant at Ambrosia's beautiful land and she is a very fair person and will bend over backwards to help would be renters. Personally I wouldn't have given this idiot the time of day and for the 4 or 5 hours of wasted time, energy and harassment you got from him I'd say he owes YOU and not the other way round!
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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01-23-2008 05:33
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Mute Ban Have a nice long bath and be glad you can AR, mute and ban. Sure his girlfriend is a girlfriend and not him in an alt running two clients? LOL. |
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Damanios Thetan
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Join date: 6 Mar 2004
Posts: 992
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01-23-2008 05:52
I've dealt with numerous people, with high demands. Generally I try to keep things professional, but there are always limits to what can be requested of somebody's patience and energy. In the past, when people started threatening with 'bad reviews' or 'telling', it generally caused me to be comply more easily to demands too.
Nowadays, they can go and scream and shout.  People who explicitly tell you how important or influential they are, generally aren't. Press & reviewers are often more than capable to deal with these kind of unreasonable types, and they usually hurt themselves more with their actions, than the person they're trying to discredit. I think you showed more than enough restraint. Just accept it as a lesson for future dealings. Be nice and professional, but set boundaries, and never let people overstep those boundaries. _____________________
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Qie Niangao
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Join date: 24 May 2006
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01-23-2008 06:05
People who explicitly tell you how important or influential they are, generally aren't. Press & reviewers are often more than capable to deal with these kind of unreasonable types, and they usually hurt themselves more with their actions, than the person they're trying to discredit. _____________________
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Blake Dwi
Reading Daily...
Join date: 6 Dec 2006
Posts: 105
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01-23-2008 06:06
When someone says to you "You don't know who I am"...just say"B*tch ! You don't know who I AM"...
Seriously, you have great patience and I truly admire your effort. But like so many are saying..SL is full of huge egos and malcontent people. Sitting alone in front of their computers trying make themselves feel better by treating other AV's like shait. Eject/Ban/Mute...your best friends in these situations. Good luck! Blake |
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Kaia Kittel
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Join date: 17 Nov 2006
Posts: 154
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01-23-2008 07:38
Sure his girlfriend is a girlfriend and not him in an alt running two clients? LOL. Good question! Although apparently this 'girlfriend' was fairly polite so I doubt it was an alt of this guy. Sounds like he wouldn't know civility if it slapped him round the face! |
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Kalderi Tomsen
Nomad Extraordinaire!
Join date: 10 May 2007
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01-23-2008 07:42
I have often encountered the what I call the "Big Players" - they come at you, claiming that they own this-and-that or are a phenomenal builder, or that they have a huge network they can use - sometimes in-world, sometimes real-world stars. "Hello, I run a RL publicity agency and I represent stars like Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston who are looking to come in-world and set up an in-world presence."
Usually what they are looking for is money off something, or to get something for free. The three secrets to making this work are: Verify, verify and verify. If they really are who they say they are they should be able to show you what they own, can build, or give some sort of real-world evidence of who they represent. If they turn out to be not 100% legit, then you do not have to do ANY business with them. Also, there is no excuse for rudeness and a lack of manners - I don't care WHO they are, sorry. Bloody wannabees! _____________________
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Ericka Nemeth
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01-23-2008 07:50
tell him that you aren't refunding the money since it is your fee for wasting so much time with him :-/
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01-23-2008 09:36
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Kalderi Tomsen
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01-23-2008 10:33
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Ambrosia Messmer
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Join date: 26 May 2007
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01-23-2008 10:46
^loll!
Oh wow people.. thank you so much for your comments! Actually the press he contacted seem rather fed up with the guy while trying to be as diplomat as they could in front of him. I so can't stand this kind of behavior and all along I was just looking at my boot.. his butt.. my boot.. his butt then he'd send me some 'I'm waiting.." and the more I looked at it the more this boot seemed sooo shiny and ready to use.. When after all his cr*p he sends me that "it's time you learn who *his name* is".. that was it. in my head was replying "really ? now meet -ME-" .. and the foot went off! *ejected banned muted* *eject ban* *eject ban* *ban* *ban* (part where he was coming back from every little 38+ squares on the land (lol)* ... Indeed I hear you and I have no idea what took me so long besides that I was tired out of my mind.. things have been hard lately and I have been working on this land project night and day for over a month and a half, almost no sleep for it needs to get started as there is just so long I can afford the tier alone without the rental help. Keeping this project refusing to make it a typical 'mall' is not easy. Good creators are hard to find and they dont all want a side shop.. meanwhile refusing camping too and whith the 7k traffic resetted when subdivided and rejoined the land, some feel risky to rent here. But I still keep it for I believe in it and we have outstanding artists on the land. I set this place all by myself too.. and when do you see greeland on mainland.. and when do you enter a place where only true creation are to be discovered ? I thought it was a great project. I am a creator first, and so why I am so open to help others and flexible. I have met myself rental sharks stiff as stick and only caring for money, or only four walls and a whole offered at afordable price, what seemed to be real shops only available at around 5l to 8l per prims.. it's when I had enough that I purchased my land and ended up buying more to offer what I had to other creators like me. Anyway for this guy, I have been told later that he's used to have it his way. Unfortunatly for him I walk in the other direction. |
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Ricardo Harris
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Join date: 1 Apr 2006
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01-23-2008 10:51
I have a green land on which I rent shops and stand and host authentic ceations only. Now this morning I end up chatting with this guy who says he want to rent on it.. then when he sees there a fees for the rent begins to change his comments about my land as if my work was quite Chit*y and not worth the quality of his creations, which rather hurt. And which he said only after knowing he would need to pay. Not long after suddenly he wants to rent again but wants a deal proposing to advertise the land through all his known press. After a while I think ok, why not. My land isn't some 'mall' but was created with the purpose of encouraging creation in SL versus the tons of resellors out there you know, and the rent is as low as I can put it for I am not rich but still need to cover at a least a part of the tier fees. I help the creators as I can giving free weeks when I happen to have more money, modify the shops tu suit their needs as I can and even divided parts of the land so they may all have their shop seen in the show in seach with private tp. So with his offer I though why not ? if this press covers true creations it would be good for the community and help everyone.. so I say ok show me which space you want and I'll give it to half price.. So I find myself missing all my RL meetings to set this guy shop. first he wanted spaces already rented by my best craftmen in the community. it was hard for him to understand that I couldn't (and wouldn't) actually thown merchants out for him.. he finaly chose another spot. he was very directive and impolite. I want this, do that, you have to set this, join those shops, I want this priv.. speaking to me like a tru lord to his worst slave. I felt like a damn dog (sry but that,s how it was) and I told him. he did it again. he also wanted to be able to decorate and put drapes on the wall and cover the floor. which I did allow.. other merchants on the land did as welll and so could he. anyway once the work was all done and the thing set as he wanted, he who said he in the first place he wanted it for a long long time only payed the rental box for a month. then I added him to the group and after 2 second, he turned around and said give me back my money. my jaw droped. who were anyone would rent, mod rental space for someone. who where anyone would rent, actually care of you asside from the money you bring.. and I give it all, and never did nor toterated so much disrespectfull behavior as for /with this guy. his reason for, when all was done, asking for his money back? Because he couldn't mod my prims. I have no power over that.. who does ? do you ? that's how sl works. I thought the guy was joking.. and this was not a nice joke. Iexplain to him that can,t give him power over my prim but that in no way did it prevent him to decorate his shop as he wants.. (the great elven creator in front of did) but meanwhile he didn't wait a second: he began to tp on the land all the press he could find and tell them I stole from him! I had just pent 4hrs with him giving everything he wanted.. and he was tping the press on my land with outstanding accusation for he didn,t have power to mod my objects.. I was just.. speachless. people who came found the situation and the guy completely ridiculous. they actually encouraged me by pm of my patience.. but still the guy wouldn,t let go. and he was so disrespectfull.. one of the press guy told him that this mod/prim was an sl function thing and that I wasn't lying when I told him I couldn't do anything about that. After it was the press that told him the same I had , he began to lay low a bit and set his shop. but I was shocked. when the press left, he got on my case again insulting me and tell me the get the fu*k away from him. I set two things straight. first his deal was half price for he kept speaking of advertising the land, but as soon as the rent was payed, he had tp everyone to put my name and my land in a the total mud and so on a ridiculous issue. So of course the deal was not respected and I cut his time by half. Wich in the situation was more than fair. Then I informed him of the land rule on respect and harrasement. we take respect of others very seriously here. Anyone caught disrespecting someone, harrassing, griefing (...) is ejected and banned from the land. if a merchant, they get the same and their rent is not refunded. Well guess what.. he jumped on the occation and continued to harrass me for the prim mod issue. I told him again what happen if he would persist and that this went for everyone on the land from visitors to other mercants, he had to change his attitude and be polite to everyone or would lose his shop with no refund. He continued, and added that I had no idea who *his name* was in sl, and reminded me that he paid me. As in you have no idea who you are messing with, and I will do what I please, mostly since I payed you. That had been going one for hours now and couldn,t take it anymore. I told the guy that here respect was due to evevone and paying the rent did not buy the right to treat people in dirt.. I ejected the guy. it was just.. too much.. I really really couldn't take it anymore. He began tp back and harrass me from in every little square of the land cut for merchants advertisement in search! I had to enter his name in the ban list in -every- little d*mn square. And then his girlfriend came around... I didn,t boot her. She didn,t understand what was going and was disagreeing with me banning the guy and not refund him, she didn't get either that this wasn't about the money. but she was polite therefore welcomed to stay, no matter that she accused me of dishonesty and stealing, and threaten to have everyone know what a bad and dishonest person I am. She didn,t seem to understand the little game that this guy had done on me, but yet, he's her lover so I understand her feelings.. now I had to log off Sl.. why? the guy continues to contact all the sl press he can on me. Of course when people hear the story they get it and not only let go, but sends me encouraging words.. however the IM's comes in faster than I can reply to.. and I had already been in IM with guy for 5 hours setting everyting he wanted, then deal with his bad press and harassement for two.. I just couldn't take it anymore. this took up my whole day. So I ask you. Please give me your insight. The guy -was informed- that if he persist to insult and harrass me, that he would loose his market space with no refund. and he did it anyway. Was it wrong for me to kick him with no refund ? Who would have this guy so long and so many chances without booting him ? What can I do about all the harrasement and the press accusing of arnaking the great *his name* I have a big heart, and will do anything I can to help, but respect always comes first. Anyway.. this situation completely exausted me... You obviously have a great deal of patience. I have none. I would of left that person standing alone the second he began with his demands. If true, you shouldn't of let this whole thing fester up in the first place. You shouldn't of done any business with this person once you began to see what was going on. But since you did you now should refund his money if he didn't spend any time using his space. Or at least part of it if he only used it for a short time. You didn't walk away when you should of and you chose to deal with it since you probably wanted to be a nice person, right? These are the perks of renting out land but also the responsibility of refunding monies for whatever time wasn't used. |
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Ambrosia Messmer
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Join date: 26 May 2007
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01-23-2008 15:39
If true, you shouldn't of let this whole thing fester up in the first place. You shouldn't of done any business with this person once you began to see what was going on. But since you did you now should refund his money if he didn't spend any time using his space. Or at least part of it if he only used it for a short time. For him to request the shop to be modifyed was not a hint to indicate the situation. I am opened to mod the shops for everyone and express it clearly in my adverts as well as the notecard given from the rental box. It also stipulate that a month min is requested because of that. Additional weeks may be added later on. All was normal asside from his tone which I didn't appreciate. So the only part which clearly indicated something was not right was when he asked a refund -after- two second of paying the rent, based on a stupidity. Here what you dont seem to realise is that this was not a -business situation- and is not a case of someone who though renting but finally can't. It's a situation of someone nasty who went on a cruel power trip for fun. he had nothing to sell in the first place & never intended to rent either (a such ridicule excuse to request refund clearly indicates he is was not serious about accupying the space). The super press contacts he mentioned on a serious offer convincing me to leave him the space half price where also false. He has no such contact and the great acticle he was mentioning made about him for his delicious sl creations was actually simply posing amoung others and was not about him. The press guy who made this article offered me friendship when he was tp on my land by the guy and sent me all the info. Even more he knew that he would be booted with no refund if pursuing harrasement (which began after he payed) and though warned twice, jumped on the occasion deliberatly. Someone sincere would have used the time payed. But wait.. Oh yes, there was nothing to fill the shop with in the first place. Curious isn't it... This was a nasty power trip for fun and giving the money back: A kiss saying thank you for walking on me. I loved it, please do it again. Well I happen to respect myself and would rather go through hell than send that message. You didn't walk away when you should of and you chose to deal with it since you probably wanted to be a nice person, right? No. You dont do things to be a nice person. You either are, or you're not. Yes there are always twisted person to try on you, it's no reason to, once you realise it, let them go all the way purposely and kiss them for it. But that's just me.. |
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3Ring Binder
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01-23-2008 16:33
did you refund him?
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Ricardo Harris
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01-23-2008 16:35
did you refund him? Doubt it. She should though regardless of the outcome. I feel this money wasn't earned and I agree this other person behaved badly but it still doesn't justify keeping his money no matter how bad the situation got. After all fair is fair. |
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3Ring Binder
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01-23-2008 16:37
nothing personal to you... but i'm asking her directly.
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Ricardo Harris
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01-23-2008 16:38
nothing personal to you... but i'm asking her directly. Oh, I never take it personal, 3Ring. |
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3Ring Binder
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01-23-2008 16:39
ok.
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Ricardo Harris
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01-23-2008 16:41
tell him that you aren't refunding the money since it is your fee for wasting so much time with him :-/ Not right. Not right at all. And I'm not taking this persons side as I don't know who it is and I don't care who it is either. But keeping it isn't right either as his behavior wasn't right. |
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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01-23-2008 16:41
There's "press" in Second Life that will come running to cover a vendor area rental dispute? Must have been a very slow news day.
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3Ring Binder
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01-23-2008 16:43
Not right. Not right at all. And I'm not taking this persons side as I don't know who it is and I don't care who it is either. But keeping it isn't right either as his behavior wasn't right. i totally agree with you. we will probably not find out.... now. but silence is equally an answer, i suppose. _____________________
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Phil Deakins
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Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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01-23-2008 16:53
I just spent ages with a customer in the shop, and it reminded me of this thread. It was all very pleasant though, but I did get myself into something.
A girl asked if I do rooms sets, but I don't, so I suggested that she picks items and I'll refund 20% of the total - simulate the discount for room sets. A couple of hours later, we've just finished. She was ok picking stuff, but she wanted the textures on almost everything changed, which wasn't part of the deal, so I made new versions of things for her. I'm not going through the whole story - I just want to point out the highlight of it all... After I'd made a custom version of a table, I made a custom version of a chair to go with it. But I sell the chairs as singles or boxed sets at a discount. When the chair was done, she asked if I could put some in a box for her so she could get the boxed set discount. She was already going to get the 20% off, and I did put the time in making custom versions, and she wanted to save another 10L by having me box a few chairs! 10L!!! I didn't, of course. There were no negative feeling at all, and we may even become friends, but the attempted saving of a further 10L was a bit of a highlight for me _____________________
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Crunch Underwood
Mr. Grown up, Go away sir
Join date: 25 Sep 2007
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01-23-2008 16:53
nope i think she deservese the money IMO maybe not all of it, but at least a portion. this fella took 5 hours out of her time for nothing
any chance i can get an IM in world of the name of the guy in question? sounds like someone i'v had dealings with on my land _____________________
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Rene Erlanger
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01-23-2008 17:34
From the story i heard spending some time talking to Ambrosia after this thread was opened....the guy does NOT deserve a single Linden as refund. Obviously, I'm not going to reveal this guy's name....but i learnt enough about him, through all the clues left in his profile, including his home, his groups his interests etc, to know that this guy was a chancer! He's not a land owner, nor a creator, nor does he have any other rental spots.
You have to wonder why someone would pay a rental box knowing full well they don't have any creations to place in it. Apart for being deliberately annoying...i can only assume he might have some Business-in-box items to sell. (Which was against the Mall policy anyway) |