A thread every content creator must see.

My email inbox is filled with cryolife detections from all over the grid all day long.
All of you that think this problem of easy to use ripper clients is minimal? You are ignorant because you do not see it.
All of you that try to laugh it off and apply snarky 12 year old humor and go for peer pressure to try to make people feel bad for being concerned? You are probably part of the PN and/or thieves.

The problem is real. It is increasing. Idiots are willing to use the obsolete compromised cryolife viewer to steal right now. It is all over the grid. Once the PN, whose stated goal is to destroy Second Life making them a criminal enterprise, releases their new client the issue will increase at a log rate. This will affect the economy in a bad way and LL will begin suffering revenue losses because that is the purpose of this viewer. It isn't for lulz. It is to take second life out of the metaverse so the PN's actual rl people can proceed with their for profit grid operations.

LL's lack of spine and unwillingness to put in the TOS what they need in order to file criminal charges for unauthorized network access is very telling. But when all the "SRS BSNSS" quits SL and LL has to commence the layoffs that will follow they might begin to get it. Perhaps LL needs to get run out of business for being too dumb to realize what is being done to them and for failing to defend their business.

Truer words could not be written.

if its something made from prims, right-click, "inspect". You will see the creation date on every single child prim. How likely is it that someone makes 255-prim hair in 5 seconds?

Having all the same dates and times doesn't mean that something is a copy.

If the original creator duplicates the intial prim (shift and drag) to create the rest of the prims in an object then all the prims will have the exact same creation date and time.

I know, it might not seem logical.. but that's how it is.

A copied prim doesn't count as a new prim with a new creation date. Only freshly rezzed prims are given a new creation date and time.

Something like hair tends to use the same prim throughout, so using Inspect to determine if it's a copy isn't reliable. But if the object is a more complex object and looks like it has been made from several prim types (torus, cube, sphere etc) and yet all the prim dates and times are identical then it's probably a copy.

My estimates:
For the ones that hear about it, and have interest in trying it, 90% will find it.
About 100% of those who actually manage to find the client will be able to figure out how to use it.

The last number is based of what the OP in the other thread said in one of the following posts:
and


I sincerely hope you are right.

Ok.. I am not trying to be funny here. But really I don't know the answer to what I am going to ask.

What does a copy bot look like? For years I go to stores and see the copybot message but I often wonder what does it even look like.

Thanks.

All it takes is one competitor to get in a few minutes what took you months to create and you're out of business. They don't even need to sell easily-detected copies to cause you ruin. All they have to do is use your work to significantly abbreviate their own product development. They can do that without being caught.

Do you suppose that zyngo and all those networked hippo gadgets are so secure that they can't be hacked by someone with the source code to their scripts? Or have their functionality duplicated in a fraction of the time their developers put into them?

"Most people are honest or lazy" ignores that some (your competitors) are motivated.

I'm the same, I've never tried a copybot. I don't to want to risk getting a trojan, virus etc. But I admit I have been curious to try one out just to see what it's limitations are.

Er.. I've been saying for a couple years now that copybot - the actual piece of software that's called copybot, not the generic meaning it's picked up - and it's like are just toys.

If what I saw in those posts at slu are all these people have managed to come up with in the nearly 3 years that the viewer has been open source, all I can say is that merchants should be thankful real programmers aren't interested in doing this stuff.

That's not to say this stuff doesn't suck and the people behind it should be found and severely beaten.

You have never heard of SexGen furniture? Rebel Hope? Have you lived in a box for 3 years?

like any other logged-in avatar...

actually, i tried that, and the prims in the copy have the same timestamps as in the original... NOT all the same.

I heard of those.
I also happen to know that copybot can't copy scripts or animations which turns a copybotted "sexgen" bed into an unscripted, full perm bed of less than appealing appearance and with no sex in it.
Unless you emote.

besides... if sexgen was a book it would be on the project gutenberg website.

by now i've seen so many other menusystems for furniture that have way more and more interesting features than SexGen(tm) that copybotted imagos of his stuff should be strokers smallest worry.

Umm, yeah. I see you read the initial linked messages.

Yes, they can be copied with this program.
Anything can be copied. Shapes are the only hold up ATM but since you can change the permmission for anything in inventory that is not a big deal. You just can not copy someone else's shape.

One last time.
ANYTHING can be copied at the touch of a button and still have the original creator listed. ANYTHING.

copybot can't

This is not copybot.

There's a number of people refusing to go to 1.23 because of the new pie menu and the changes to the rendering engine that have nerfed a bunch more cards. They shouldn't have put anything but the Adult Content support in 1.23.

how can it copy stuff that is never sent to the viewer?
as soon as a script is no mod it stays within the sim...

oh btw it doesn't even take a piece of software to copy a shape.

That part of it is a packaging exploit. It's the old problem of permissions in inventory not reflecting permissions of the object content until you rez it. People come up with packaging exploits all the time, and they get closed, all the time.

As far as I can see this new client, although looking more polished and user friendly than Copybot, nevertheless has the same features (can copy prims and textures) and restrictions (cant copy anims or scripts) as Copybot. (What's the situation with sounds?)

It is easy enough to copy textures using the SL official Client, without any need for an unofficial client.

Until something comes along that can truly copy an object, including all the items in its Contents folder, including scripts, notecards, anims etc, then I don't think there will be any significant increase in copying just because one copying client has a slicker interface than another.

Rock

On the plus side, it's impossible to see the sky falling with your head in the sand.

Of course it does leave a gritty taste in your mouth.

Lance,
RTFM before you post about it, OK?
It is explained in the three linked messages. You do not even have to read the whole thread.

But let me see if you can grasp this.

IT WILL SET THE PERMISSIONS OF ANYTHING IN YOUR INVENTORY TO ANYTHING YOU WISH.

Forget everything you have heard about "can't be done" because it can and it takes no skill. Just push the button.

Unfortunately, this "tool" is a hacked client which allows more than just prim and texture copybotting. It can copy all types of inventory items and ignore the permissions set and the original creators name and then upload again giving full permissions and setting the creator = uploader.

LL had declared a very strong policy against the use of such software, but the implementation of this policy is another matter.

But if the original model's prims have the same timestamps throughout?


It's quite normal for an original object to have all its prims use the same timestamps. Especially with something like hair. Creator rezzes single prim, shapes prim, applies texture to prim, then finally duplicates prim many times to create final hair.

Sounds are on your local harddisk already anyways. Totally unencrypted and unprotected. As soon as you "hear" a sound you also have the windows wave file on your local disk. In your cache folder.

I still don't know how to tell an item is ripped off BEFORE I buy it.

Of course, if I see a Nicky Ree sold in some slapped-together skybox that's one thing, but I'm sure pretty-looking shops can be copied, too.

I certainly don't bother to inspect prims after I bought something, unless I need to adjust them. And even then most creators names are meaningless to me as I'm sure some sellers work under alt names or sell their stuff via other shop names.