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kid speak.. not directed or attacking anyone, I just want to know about it.

Trout Recreant
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06-11-2008 15:18
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip
I barely notice it in the rather mild form I see on the forums. But then, I've had exposure to many of the great works in English literature and one just gets used to reading dialects. The couple of times in-world where I've run into the more severe "baby talk" it has gotten on my nerves so I just ignore it.

EDIT: Now I'm considering developing some form of "picklespeak" for when I'm using my cucumber avatar....


I use nickelspeak when I balance my checking account. I'm lucky if there's five cents in there.
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06-11-2008 15:23
From: Trout Recreant
I wasn't taking a shot at you, Phil. There have been a lot of threads where people really lashed out over it, like it was the beginning of the end of the English language. I just don't understand why some people get so worked up over something that really doesn't hurt them. But I wasn't directing that at you, and I wasn't trying to stop discussion; I was just stating my opinion on it.
Ah, sorry. I tend to assume that, when I say anything that isn't wholly positive, people like to come down on me for it :)
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06-11-2008 15:27
From: Lindal Kidd
I like Mari's speech patterns. They're easy to read, but enough different from normal adult "speech" to remind me that she's only five.

And like the OP, I'm not singling out Marianne individually, but using her as an illustration of ...well, kidspeak done right. IMO, of course.


I'm sorry, but I feel the opposite. I like Mari very much (though I don't know her personally) and I'm very glad she's here sharing her knowledge and experiences, but I find her posts are not easy to read at all with the "kid" affectation she uses. And she doesn't sound like she's "only five," because the things she's saying are clearly not in her "only five" character. I would find Mari's posts easier to read if she posted grown-up Mari thoughts in grown-up Mari voice. :( But it's her choice, and I just read her posts when I can, and (unfortunately) skip them when it feels like too much work.

I am singling Mari out only because she's the only kid-av I can think of who posts on the forums this way. :( I'm sorry to single you out, Mari - I do always enjoy what you have to say, even though the way you say it is sometimes jarring to me.
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06-11-2008 15:44
I am going to respond to this WITHOUT reading the posts... I don't mute anyone- it seems silly- I just ignore what bothers me- hence am not reading the above other than the opening posts- that tells you how I feel about it.

I want to read what the people say- honest - bt wow- its not just the kid speak- its the LEET too and the sheer nonsense ones. I don't mean r and u and little things like that- that is shorthand- it may be lazy but its ok within context.

I guess - to be fair- the same can be said of overly flowery speech- so maybe it is a bit of a prejudice- because I confess - that I enjoy immensely- enjoy reading it, enjoy trying to partake. Just voicing my otherwise unimportant opinion since no one actually asked me :)
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Isabeau Imako
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06-11-2008 15:49
From: Trout Recreant
I don't understand why anyone cares. If you don't like it, don't do it. If it REALLY gets on your nerves, don't read it or put the poster on mute. It's more annoying when someone posts something patently stupid or just mean-spirited than it is when someone uses kid-speak. In those situations, someone is trying to be hurtful to someone else and is trying to self-justify their assholery by claiming to be "blunt" or "straightforward". With the people who play kids, it's just a matter of them typing the way they have trained themselves to think - not a matter of trying to be intentionally aggravating.

Mari and the others bring a lot of good to the forums, and they do it with kindness and a sense of humor, which is a lot more than I can say for some other posters. If they drop the occasional "dun" or "tink", how bad is that on the grand scale of things?




BTW: If you don't like mispellings, avoid my posts. It's not kid-speak or leet-speak. it's just poor typing skills. :p


Well said.


I like to concentrate more on the 'what' of the message than how it is written out.

I don't completely understand kid RP, and why people enjoy it, but I find it much less bizarre than other types of RP found in SL. I kind of like seeing kids walking around. Whatever you are into here, or however you wish to 'speak' is fine with me. The only thing that would ever bug me is if someone insisted I RP with them (I don't mean on a specific sim with a theme). Example, I will not call you Master, etc

As for posts in these forums, if I truly can not understand someones writing, I just move along. If absolutely no one was answering a thread, I might PM them, or ask for clarification.
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06-11-2008 15:55
YOU don't know about me without you have read a book by the name of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer; but that ain't no matter.

That book was made by Mr. Mark Twain, and he told the truth, mainly. There was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth.

That is nothing. I never seen anybody but lied one time or another, without it was Aunt Polly, or the widow, or maybe Mary.

Aunt Polly -- Tom's Aunt Polly, she is -- and Mary, and the Widow Douglas is all told about in that book, which is mostly a true book, with some stretchers, as I said before.

Now the way that the book winds up is this: Tom and me found the money that the robbers hid in the cave, and it made us rich. We got six thousand dollars apiece -- all gold.

It was an awful sight of money when it was piled up. Well, Judge Thatcher he took it and put it out at interest, and it fetched us a dollar a day apiece all the year round -- more than a body could tell what to do with.

The Widow Douglas she took me for her son, and allowed she would sivilize me; but it was rough living in the house all the time, considering how dismal regular and decent the widow was in all her ways; and so when I couldn't stand it no longer I lit out.

I got into my old rags and my sugar-hogshead again, and was free and satisfied.

But Tom Sawyer he hunted me up and said he was going to start a band of robbers, and I might join if I would go back to the widow and be respectable.

So I went back.

* * * * *

Serious concepts, youthful delivery.

Not for everyone, to be sure, and that's a crying shame.
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06-11-2008 16:02
/me claps.
Great example.
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06-11-2008 16:42
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip
EDIT: Now I'm considering developing some form of "picklespeak" for when I'm using my cucumber avatar....


Jes make sure to keep kosher!

...an great post, Mister Shang!
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Joseph Abel
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06-11-2008 16:44
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
Ok this post is not directed at anyone, before people think I am.

I saw in marianne's thread where someone told her to speak normal and not use the "kid" chat.

which lead me to this question (and I made a new thread because I did not want to hijack her's)

(and I want to say I am not attacking anyone or directing this at anyone, I only mentioned Marianne because it was her someone else commented to about this subject, and hopefully she can give me and all of us some insight into rping a kid)

Why do folks use the "kid" speak when RPing a kid?
I sorta get it when the kid is maybe 2 or 3 and just learning to talk, but older kids, say 5+ usually speak as clearly as any (better than some) adults.
Unless they have a speech impediment they should be speaking just like anyone else.

I see it happen with a lot of kid avatars and still just do not understand why. (when I was exploring the grid as a kid, (AKA A grid kid) I did not type dis or dat or tink etc, I spoke like I do as an adult. (with typos LOL)

so,... why do folks use that form of chat when they can type normally and still be a kid?

(I am heading out to a friends place, so will not be back for a few hours, I will check in later for some insight)

Thanks for understand I am not attacking anyone, or putting anyone down, I just am curious as to the why.

I suppose the question could evolve into, "Why would anyone communicate with others outside of their own personal social groups in any way other than clear, concise speech?"

Kid AV's speaking "ikklespeak"...Dom/sub's using "master" and "slave / pet"...club-goer's using "LOL" as an adjective, noun, verb, and punctuation in most speech...

One uses speech that convey's how they wish to be viewed by others...whether it be cute, "cool", accurate, clipped, rude, cryptic, etc...and personally, I find that to have a bit of charm to it in Second Life (even if it's of a variety that I personally find offensive...and for those, I'll ignore, mute if I have to, or leave if I find it prudent).

The why, in all honesty, doesn't puzzle me...and certainly doesn't bother me...

I would say, it's that point where one's personal rights begin to infringe on the personal rights of others that things become out of hand.

Speak as a kid, or a Gorean, or a Klingon...that's fine.
Expect me to respond in kind? No.
I won't expect you to change your ways to suit me, and don't expect me to change for you.

(by the way, Rha, NONE of this is pointed at you - I have always found you to be respectful to me and others in SL...I'm putting this out to anyone who can't see that we all have to share this Second Life with each other, despite any and all differences)
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06-11-2008 17:10
You guys are lucky. I limit myself to a smiley for each paragraph. Inworld, it's per chatline. (^_^)y
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06-11-2008 17:11
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
You guys are lucky. I limit myself to a smiley for each paragraph. Inworld, it's per chatline. (^_^)y

Yeah, but you're so good at them!!
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06-11-2008 17:51
From: Marianne McCann
Jes make sure to keep kosher!

...an great post, Mister Shang!


:rolleyes: at Mari. :) at Mr. Shang.
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06-11-2008 19:31
From: Desmond Shang
YOU don't know about me without you have read a book by the name of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer; but that ain't no matter.

That book was made by Mr. Mark Twain, and he told the truth, mainly. There was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth.

That is nothing. I never seen anybody but lied one time or another, without it was Aunt Polly, or the widow, or maybe Mary.

Aunt Polly -- Tom's Aunt Polly, she is -- and Mary, and the Widow Douglas is all told about in that book, which is mostly a true book, with some stretchers, as I said before.

Now the way that the book winds up is this: Tom and me found the money that the robbers hid in the cave, and it made us rich. We got six thousand dollars apiece -- all gold.

It was an awful sight of money when it was piled up. Well, Judge Thatcher he took it and put it out at interest, and it fetched us a dollar a day apiece all the year round -- more than a body could tell what to do with.

The Widow Douglas she took me for her son, and allowed she would sivilize me; but it was rough living in the house all the time, considering how dismal regular and decent the widow was in all her ways; and so when I couldn't stand it no longer I lit out.

I got into my old rags and my sugar-hogshead again, and was free and satisfied.

But Tom Sawyer he hunted me up and said he was going to start a band of robbers, and I might join if I would go back to the widow and be respectable.

So I went back.

* * * * *

Serious concepts, youthful delivery.

Not for everyone, to be sure, and that's a crying shame.
*applauds Desmond*
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06-11-2008 19:47
I am a kid in SL 100% of the time. I just love being 5 years old. Why ... I just love being part of a family and enjoy the great times we have together. I love going to elementary school and making new friends. It has been such a wonderful experience to have a mother and dad, brothers and sisters.

I also speak some of the child speech, but I try not to over do it. I will replace the r's with W's, change some of my s's to z's and also use tink for think and ting for thing. I love watching children and I will add the behaviors I observe to my SL character.

Im not sure I explained very good why I play a 5 year old, but not sure any will understand it unless they try it themselves.

I iz veri new to the forumz and thiz iz mi first post. I hoez I can learn more and tellz whi I iz 5 in SL.

/me smiles
Gabriele Graves
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06-11-2008 19:59
I don't people should have to justify the way they choose to do things when it concerns things like this. I know Rhaorth was asking only for information and I am not aiming this at her but others in this as well as other threads don't seem to understand how awful it can make people feel by making the statements they do. Sure they are entitled to their opinion but sometimes certain opinions should be kept to themselves. I believe it is called being polite. If you see something you don't like about a person, don't take the time out to make them feel miserable, just move along. ((Obviously if the person is just doing something deliberately designed to annoy people then this does not apply.))
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06-11-2008 20:44
I kinda think I talk here pretty much the same way I talked when I was 10. If you ever don't understand what I'm saying, just ask me to rephrase or something.
Rhaorth Antonelli
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06-11-2008 22:30
Thank you everyone for the insight, now I understand why people use what was it called, ikklespeak?

Never heard of that word before, I will go look it up and see what I can learn from that.

I guess sometimes it does bother me, but mainly because of RL circumstances.
my 6 yr old is having a lot of speech problems and it hurts me sometimes to see folks doing the same thing as a kid in SL, when in all fact most 5 yr olds and some even younger, speak just as well as you and I (some even better than I)

but, that is my own issue, just as I had an issue with slut and the slut rating, I looked deep within myself and overcame it.
I can easily do the same here.
I want each and everyone to know I was not attacking those who RP kids in any way, I actually think that they do some folks a great service.

The first kid I met in SL, told me that the reason she RP'd a kid is because her SL mom could not have kids in RL, so she was her kid in SL. It was heartwarming because I know just how that SL mom feels. (I too can not have kids in RL, the 2 boys are my stepsons)

ty all again, I appreciate the insight, and thank you each and everyone for not turning this into a bloodfest with the name calling, and all that negativity, that is NOT what this thread was for.
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06-12-2008 00:56
There seem to be as many forms of kid speak as there are kids, I haven't realy seen my form used often but it's not that hard, I use an extra s here and there, wel ok lots of them all over the place (yous gots etc), half finished words (don 'n cus tho) kitten slang (for = fur perfect = purrfect) and double neggative (I aint don no nothin wrong).

So far I haven't heard anyone say it's anoying but they might just be polite and not tell me.

When I'm dealing with tennants of my sims I tend to type like I do in the forums.
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06-12-2008 01:30
Ooo..bibble-wibble...eck...waaaaahhhh!

I'm practicing baby speak.

Also, do kitties do kitty speak? Meow prrr go prrr scrrratch meowcushion!
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06-12-2008 01:46
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
(and I want to say I am not attacking anyone or directing this at anyone, I only mentioned Marianne because it was her someone else commented to about this subject, and hopefully she can give me and all of us some insight into rping a kid)

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With the BS you're showin'
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06-12-2008 01:57
From: Joseph Abel
I suppose the question could evolve into, "Why would anyone communicate with others outside of their own personal social groups in any way other than clear, concise speech?"
...........


I once had a series of long conversations with a Gor guy.
He wanted to buy some land that I had but was not using at the time.
He spoke to me in flowery heroic terms. I assume that although he was interacting outside of RP, he wanted to maintain the character as far as possible. He was in no way disrespectful to me.
I spoke to him in my normal way.
We understood each other perfectly - or as 'perfectly' as might be possible.
I found the exchanges to be amusing. This girl likes a bit of banter :)
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06-12-2008 02:03
From: Conifer Dada
Ooo..bibble-wibble...eck...waaaaahhhh!

I'm practicing baby speak.

Also, do kitties do kitty speak? Meow prrr go prrr scrrratch meowcushion!


I have a nice sculptie snake I wear that wraps it self around me and joins in conversations when I make it.
Lotssss of 'S'sssssssssss and one-linersssssss.

Guys have a trouser snake.
I have a shoulder snake. It's got a wicked tongue ;)
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06-12-2008 02:52
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06-12-2008 02:56
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06-12-2008 02:56
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