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Elex Dusk

Bunneh

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08-29-2008 12:18

From: Ghosty Kips

I sure hope it's worth the pixels it's printed on. I'm going to use it, even if it is an overly-elaborate twit-filter.

Sorry, but it won't be worth the pixels it's printed on as it's unlikely that new Abuse Report categories would have much of an effect as the problem isn't proper categorization but a chronic failure to /resolve/ abuse reports. It doesn't matter how many or how few rules or guidelines there are if Linden Lab staff is either unwilling (or unable) to enforce them.

Dakota Tebaldi

Voodoo Child

Join date: 6 Feb 2008

Posts: 1,873

08-29-2008 12:18

From: Kitty Barnett

*bump*

"Lv movies are now watermarked with the LV logo, use or distribution of our movies will be reported to Linden Labs."

If they had a proper license they wouldn't go running to LL (who wouldn't care since movies are hosted entirely outside of SL), they'd be contacting the movie studios they license the movie from.

I bet that if anything legalish ever happened, a very good lawyer could take advantage of the fact that there is no such company as "Linden LabS".

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Ghosty Kips

Elora's Llama

Join date: 2 May 2008

Posts: 2,386

08-29-2008 12:25

From: Elex Dusk

Sorry, but it won't be worth the pixels it's printed on as it's unlikely that new Abuse Report categories would have much of an effect as the problem isn't proper categorization but a chronic failure to /resolve/ abuse reports. It doesn't matter how many or how few rules or guidelines there are if Linden Lab staff is either unwilling (or unable) to enforce them.

Well, it could well be that the catagories might help matters in that regard ... or separate the wheat from the chaff more effectively (which is what I'm suspecting). It has to be a lot easier to handle reports that have already been labled as one thing or another, instead of relying on some staff member to make a judgement call as to what the abuse problem is before they can even start resolution. Mislabled reports will likely hit the bit bucket.

Meh. Doesn't help me right now anyway.

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Kitty Barnett

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08-29-2008 14:09

From: Jesse Barnett

I seem to recall that there is a new abuse category dealing with people not delivering the goods they are selling????

There is and there isn't.

Since the GTeam indicated that its policy on resident-resident disputes didn't change and that they'd examine the two new categories that deal with those and remove them it I'd guess some Linden added the categories without consulting them.

Ghosty Kips

Elora's Llama

Join date: 2 May 2008

Posts: 2,386

08-29-2008 14:14

From: Kitty Barnett

There is and there isn't.

Since the GTeam indicated that its policy on resident-resident disputes didn't change and that they'd examine the two new categories that deal with those and remove them it I'd guess some Linden added the categories without consulting them.

Oh. Crap.

/starts making prim turds to hang on vendors

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Kitty Barnett

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08-29-2008 14:24

From: Ghosty Kips

And tell them what, exactly? An avatar in SL is abusing their bandwidth? Reselling their links? What can a movie studio do about someone in SL? They are interested in RL persons, and the vendor likely has no information on that whatsoever.

Contacting LL would be prudent.

Video is streamed directly from a site to your puter, the SL grid isn't involved in it so there's nothing for LL to care about and (mis)use of an URL is a resident-resident dispute.

As far as ripping their movie stream, uploading it somewhere else and reselling copies: again the content isn't hosted on SL but somewhere else and LL doesn't own the rights to the movie so there's nothing for it to care about.

If someone violates the copyright of content you purchased an official license to, it"s in your own interest to report the violation to the copyright owner and let them take the action they feel is warranted. In turn it's in the copyright owner's best interest to follow up on infringement because otherwise noone would buy licenses if they can get away with it for free.

Colette Meiji

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Join date: 25 Mar 2005

Posts: 15,556

08-29-2008 14:50

From: Kitty Barnett

There is and there isn't.

Since the GTeam indicated that its policy on resident-resident disputes didn't change and that they'd examine the two new categories that deal with those and remove them it I'd guess some Linden added the categories without consulting them.

lol

Makes perfect sense

Vlad Bjornson

Virtual Gardener

Join date: 11 Nov 2005

Posts: 650

08-29-2008 16:32

From: Kitty Barnett

If they had a proper license they wouldn't go running to LL (who wouldn't care since movies are hosted entirely outside of SL), they'd be contacting the movie studios they license the movie from.

It's one thing to copy a movie and watch it - a whole 'nother ball of wax to copy it and then sell it. What really amazes is that they then have the nerve to threaten action if you do the same with their stolen 'content'.

These types of companies are no better than people who steal content in SL and resell it, yet people continue to give them their $L. Really rather amazing that they are still getting away with this. I guess this means that there are plenty of people who just don't care about content theft, which is probably one reason that the problem continues to grow.

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Kyrah Abattoir

cruelty delight

Join date: 4 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,786

08-29-2008 20:13

Okay guys listen closely

There is NO so called SL comany having the license to rent any blockbuster movies in SL
NONE.

And if i'm wrong, send me a copy of your so called autorisation, maybe then i might revise my judgement.

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Nina Stepford

was lied to by LL

Join date: 26 Mar 2007

Posts: 3,373

08-29-2008 23:27

i think i agree with elex!

From: Elex Dusk

Sorry, but it won't be worth the pixels it's printed on as it's unlikely that new Abuse Report categories would have much of an effect as the problem isn't proper categorization but a chronic failure to /resolve/ abuse reports. It doesn't matter how many or how few rules or guidelines there are if Linden Lab staff is either unwilling (or unable) to enforce them.

Qie Niangao

Coin-operated

Join date: 24 May 2006

Posts: 7,138

08-30-2008 01:53

From: Kyrah Abattoir

Okay guys listen closely

There is NO so called SL comany having the license to rent any blockbuster movies in SL
NONE.

And if i'm wrong, send me a copy of your so called autorisation, maybe then i might revise my judgement.

I think this just has to be correct. Why the hell would the studios license to this absurdly tiny, unprofitable, and piracy-prone market?

(On the other hand... why would anybody?

)

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Elex Dusk Bunneh Join date: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 800	08-29-2008 12:18 From: Ghosty Kips I sure hope it's worth the pixels it's printed on. I'm going to use it, even if it is an overly-elaborate twit-filter. Sorry, but it won't be worth the pixels it's printed on as it's unlikely that new Abuse Report categories would have much of an effect as the problem isn't proper categorization but a chronic failure to /resolve/ abuse reports. It doesn't matter how many or how few rules or guidelines there are if Linden Lab staff is either unwilling (or unable) to enforce them.
Dakota Tebaldi Voodoo Child Join date: 6 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,873	08-29-2008 12:18 From: Kitty Barnett bump "Lv movies are now watermarked with the LV logo, use or distribution of our movies will be reported to Linden Labs." If they had a proper license they wouldn't go running to LL (who wouldn't care since movies are hosted entirely outside of SL), they'd be contacting the movie studios they license the movie from. I bet that if anything legalish ever happened, a very good lawyer could take advantage of the fact that there is no such company as "Linden LabS". _____________________ "...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder "I really do think it's a pity he didnt "age" himself to 18." - Jig Chippewa
Ghosty Kips Elora's Llama Join date: 2 May 2008 Posts: 2,386	08-29-2008 12:25 From: Elex Dusk Sorry, but it won't be worth the pixels it's printed on as it's unlikely that new Abuse Report categories would have much of an effect as the problem isn't proper categorization but a chronic failure to /resolve/ abuse reports. It doesn't matter how many or how few rules or guidelines there are if Linden Lab staff is either unwilling (or unable) to enforce them. Well, it could well be that the catagories might help matters in that regard ... or separate the wheat from the chaff more effectively (which is what I'm suspecting). It has to be a lot easier to handle reports that have already been labled as one thing or another, instead of relying on some staff member to make a judgement call as to what the abuse problem is before they can even start resolution. Mislabled reports will likely hit the bit bucket. Meh. Doesn't help me right now anyway. _____________________ -- Why aren't you doing something more useful, like playing WoW?
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	08-29-2008 14:09 From: Jesse Barnett I seem to recall that there is a new abuse category dealing with people not delivering the goods they are selling???? There is and there isn't. Since the GTeam indicated that its policy on resident-resident disputes didn't change and that they'd examine the two new categories that deal with those and remove them it I'd guess some Linden added the categories without consulting them.
Ghosty Kips Elora's Llama Join date: 2 May 2008 Posts: 2,386	08-29-2008 14:14 From: Kitty Barnett There is and there isn't. Since the GTeam indicated that its policy on resident-resident disputes didn't change and that they'd examine the two new categories that deal with those and remove them it I'd guess some Linden added the categories without consulting them. Oh. Crap. /starts making prim turds to hang on vendors _____________________ -- Why aren't you doing something more useful, like playing WoW?
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	08-29-2008 14:24 From: Ghosty Kips And tell them what, exactly? An avatar in SL is abusing their bandwidth? Reselling their links? What can a movie studio do about someone in SL? They are interested in RL persons, and the vendor likely has no information on that whatsoever. Contacting LL would be prudent. Video is streamed directly from a site to your puter, the SL grid isn't involved in it so there's nothing for LL to care about and (mis)use of an URL is a resident-resident dispute. As far as ripping their movie stream, uploading it somewhere else and reselling copies: again the content isn't hosted on SL but somewhere else and LL doesn't own the rights to the movie so there's nothing for it to care about. If someone violates the copyright of content you purchased an official license to, it"s in your own interest to report the violation to the copyright owner and let them take the action they feel is warranted. In turn it's in the copyright owner's best interest to follow up on infringement because otherwise noone would buy licenses if they can get away with it for free.
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-29-2008 14:50 From: Kitty Barnett There is and there isn't. Since the GTeam indicated that its policy on resident-resident disputes didn't change and that they'd examine the two new categories that deal with those and remove them it I'd guess some Linden added the categories without consulting them. lol Makes perfect sense
Vlad Bjornson Virtual Gardener Join date: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 650	08-29-2008 16:32 From: Kitty Barnett If they had a proper license they wouldn't go running to LL (who wouldn't care since movies are hosted entirely outside of SL), they'd be contacting the movie studios they license the movie from. It's one thing to copy a movie and watch it - a whole 'nother ball of wax to copy it and then sell it. What really amazes is that they then have the nerve to threaten action if you do the same with their stolen 'content'. These types of companies are no better than people who steal content in SL and resell it, yet people continue to give them their $L. Really rather amazing that they are still getting away with this. I guess this means that there are plenty of people who just don't care about content theft, which is probably one reason that the problem continues to grow. _____________________ I heart shiny ! http://www.shiny-life.com
Kyrah Abattoir cruelty delight Join date: 4 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,786	08-29-2008 20:13 Okay guys listen closely There is NO so called SL comany having the license to rent any blockbuster movies in SL NONE. And if i'm wrong, send me a copy of your so called autorisation, maybe then i might revise my judgement. _____________________ tired of XStreetSL? try those! apez http://tinyurl.com/yfm9d5b metalife http://tinyurl.com/yzm3yvw metaverse exchange http://tinyurl.com/yzh7j4a slapt http://tinyurl.com/yfqah9u
Nina Stepford was lied to by LL Join date: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 3,373	08-29-2008 23:27 i think i agree with elex! From: Elex Dusk Sorry, but it won't be worth the pixels it's printed on as it's unlikely that new Abuse Report categories would have much of an effect as the problem isn't proper categorization but a chronic failure to /resolve/ abuse reports. It doesn't matter how many or how few rules or guidelines there are if Linden Lab staff is either unwilling (or unable) to enforce them.
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	08-30-2008 01:53 From: Kyrah Abattoir Okay guys listen closely There is NO so called SL comany having the license to rent any blockbuster movies in SL NONE. And if i'm wrong, send me a copy of your so called autorisation, maybe then i might revise my judgement. I think this just has to be correct. Why the hell would the studios license to this absurdly tiny, unprofitable, and piracy-prone market? (On the other hand... why would anybody? )

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