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Scylla Rhiadra

Gentle is Human

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12-27-2009 00:14

From: Treasure Ballinger

But they're not 'residents like ourselves'. They're people who dont want to bother to spend the time inworld to learn what we know. It's residents answers here, yeah, but I see it as questions from residents trying to learn how to navigate SL, not answering questions to satisfy someone's class requirements. I do't see it as the same thing at all. Agreed, we probably don't have to cuss them out, but it teeters on disrespect, does it not, to be treated as though you're a lab rat under a microscope? And, how much searching this forum (call it research if you like) would it take to get a clue of how the majority here feel about it? Just a tiny bit of research will bring up a ton of threads but they dont' even bother to do that, just show up and post their survey as if it's the first one we've ever seen and we should be grateful to answer it. I usually just ignore them, but there's been such a slew of them lately! One after another, several at once, gee! Give it (and us) a rest!

Yes, I agree . . . mostly.

I still think that many of these posters are just clueless undergrads. What we need to do, rather than complain, is find a way to "clue" them in, I think.

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Dagmar Heideman

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12-27-2009 00:21

From: Scylla Rhiadra

Yes, I agree . . . mostly.

I still think that many of these posters are just clueless undergrads. What we need to do, rather than complain, is find a way to "clue" them in, I think.

Their ignorance on methodology has nothing to do with Second Life. Educating them about the same is something their university should be doing. When they offer me a few thousand US dollars in tuition I will be happy to "clue them in."

Scylla Rhiadra

Gentle is Human

Join date: 11 Oct 2008

Posts: 4,427

12-27-2009 00:24

From: Dagmar Heideman

Their ignorance on methodology has nothing to do with Second Life. Educating them about the same is something their university should be doing. When they offer me a few thousand US dollars in tuition I will be happy to "clue them in."

Point taken. But if true, that just suggests that I am right when I suggest that our actual anger should be reserved for the profs who are supposed to be teaching them this stuff, and sending them here (and I can't believe that they are all just "finding" RA unassisted) unprepared.

Yeah, it's not our job to teach them. But we can at least warn them off, or suggest how to better approach the forum. For which, see the new thread I've just started . . .

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Novis Dyrssen

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12-27-2009 01:31

From: LittleMe Jewell

I've decided that in this day and age of nobody being responsible for their own actions

I think that is the main problem here. It's the age of googling some info for your thesis and then slapping together something poorly worded out of other poorly worded pieces.

I think I mentioned that I work in a bookstore, yes? Almost every day, we have students or what have you come in and ask for some obscure topic, like the mating habits of the Peruvian mole. When we scratch our heads, search for a few minutes and then have to say there's nothing about that obscure topic, there are two stages that follow.

One is surprise: "But how come there are no books about that? There HAS to be, I need it for my ..." - "Well, presumably that's why you picked the thesis subject, yes? To write something original?"

Two is admittance: "Well, yeah, I did google it, but it brought me nowhere..."

Actually, there's a third stage most of the time - huffiness. "I'm gonna ask around." Read: "I don't believe a single word you said, there HAS to be a book about my weird topic! And I'm gonna find it!"

So, what it boils down to is MY thesis that these students just never learn how to do proper research. It's just easier to pull it off Teh Netz, and if that fails, some idiot for sure has written a book about it. Finding out your own facts? Not in this lifetime.

(You wouldn't believe what my regular catalogue search for SL related titles reveals in the rank of thesis stuff btw... Now if all those students would stop asking here and just ordered a book to rip off...

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DanielRavenNest Noe

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Join date: 26 Oct 2006

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12-27-2009 06:05

From: Novis Dyrssen

Almost every day, we have students or what have you come in and ask for some obscure topic, like the mating habits of the Peruvian mole.

Peruvian mole story:
http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Rope-Peruvian-Folktale-Lazo/dp/0153073152

Reference Librarians are your friend if you are a student. In school I worked in the University library, and its amazing what you can find if you know where to look. A reference librarians *job* is to know where to look.

But knowing how to do a proper search online should be basic student skills these day, like making notes on index cards was in my student days.

LittleMe Jewell

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Posts: 11,319

12-27-2009 10:00

From: DanielRavenNest Noe

Peruvian mole story:
http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Rope-Peruvian-Folktale-Lazo/dp/0153073152

Reference Librarians are your friend if you are a student. In school I worked in the University library, and its amazing what you can find if you know where to look. A reference librarians *job* is to know where to look.

But knowing how to do a proper search online should be basic student skills these day, like making notes on index cards was in my student days.

Um..... I'm pretty sure she was just giving some wierd extreme example that did not actually depict reality. I'm also pretty sure that she really does know how to find obscure articles that exist out there. She was just using the 'mole' to make a point.

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Novis Dyrssen

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Join date: 6 May 2007

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12-27-2009 10:14

From: LittleMe Jewell

Um..... I'm pretty sure she was just giving some wierd extreme example that did not actually depict reality.

Pssst. I think he knows.

That link actually made me chuckle. Thankfully, it's a kiddie book, so nothing about mating rituals, ha!

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LittleMe Jewell

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12-27-2009 10:49

From: Novis Dyrssen

Pssst. I think he knows.

That link actually made me chuckle. Thankfully, it's a kiddie book, so nothing about mating rituals, ha!

Hahahaha - I did not actually click on the link

/me wanders off to pump more coffee into the veins

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Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it?
~Mark Twain~

Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on.
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Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22
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Scylla Rhiadra Gentle is Human Join date: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,427	12-27-2009 00:14 From: Treasure Ballinger But they're not 'residents like ourselves'. They're people who dont want to bother to spend the time inworld to learn what we know. It's residents answers here, yeah, but I see it as questions from residents trying to learn how to navigate SL, not answering questions to satisfy someone's class requirements. I do't see it as the same thing at all. Agreed, we probably don't have to cuss them out, but it teeters on disrespect, does it not, to be treated as though you're a lab rat under a microscope? And, how much searching this forum (call it research if you like) would it take to get a clue of how the majority here feel about it? Just a tiny bit of research will bring up a ton of threads but they dont' even bother to do that, just show up and post their survey as if it's the first one we've ever seen and we should be grateful to answer it. I usually just ignore them, but there's been such a slew of them lately! One after another, several at once, gee! Give it (and us) a rest! Yes, I agree . . . mostly. I still think that many of these posters are just clueless undergrads. What we need to do, rather than complain, is find a way to "clue" them in, I think. _____________________ Scylla Rhiadra
Dagmar Heideman Bokko Dancer Join date: 2 Feb 2007 Posts: 989	12-27-2009 00:21 From: Scylla Rhiadra Yes, I agree . . . mostly. I still think that many of these posters are just clueless undergrads. What we need to do, rather than complain, is find a way to "clue" them in, I think. Their ignorance on methodology has nothing to do with Second Life. Educating them about the same is something their university should be doing. When they offer me a few thousand US dollars in tuition I will be happy to "clue them in."
Scylla Rhiadra Gentle is Human Join date: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,427	12-27-2009 00:24 From: Dagmar Heideman Their ignorance on methodology has nothing to do with Second Life. Educating them about the same is something their university should be doing. When they offer me a few thousand US dollars in tuition I will be happy to "clue them in." Point taken. But if true, that just suggests that I am right when I suggest that our actual anger should be reserved for the profs who are supposed to be teaching them this stuff, and sending them here (and I can't believe that they are all just "finding" RA unassisted) unprepared. Yeah, it's not our job to teach them. But we can at least warn them off, or suggest how to better approach the forum. For which, see the new thread I've just started . . . _____________________ Scylla Rhiadra
Novis Dyrssen Girl Geek Join date: 6 May 2007 Posts: 1,452	12-27-2009 01:31 From: LittleMe Jewell I've decided that in this day and age of nobody being responsible for their own actions I think that is the main problem here. It's the age of googling some info for your thesis and then slapping together something poorly worded out of other poorly worded pieces. I think I mentioned that I work in a bookstore, yes? Almost every day, we have students or what have you come in and ask for some obscure topic, like the mating habits of the Peruvian mole. When we scratch our heads, search for a few minutes and then have to say there's nothing about that obscure topic, there are two stages that follow. One is surprise: "But how come there are no books about that? There HAS to be, I need it for my ..." - "Well, presumably that's why you picked the thesis subject, yes? To write something original?" Two is admittance: "Well, yeah, I did google it, but it brought me nowhere..." Actually, there's a third stage most of the time - huffiness. "I'm gonna ask around." Read: "I don't believe a single word you said, there HAS to be a book about my weird topic! And I'm gonna find it!" So, what it boils down to is MY thesis that these students just never learn how to do proper research. It's just easier to pull it off Teh Netz, and if that fails, some idiot for sure has written a book about it. Finding out your own facts? Not in this lifetime. (You wouldn't believe what my regular catalogue search for SL related titles reveals in the rank of thesis stuff btw... Now if all those students would stop asking here and just ordered a book to rip off... ) _____________________ ~~ immortal words of Rob Thomas ~~ Hey-yeah, welcome to the Real World Nobody told you it was gonna be hard
DanielRavenNest Noe Registered User Join date: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,076	12-27-2009 06:05 From: Novis Dyrssen Almost every day, we have students or what have you come in and ask for some obscure topic, like the mating habits of the Peruvian mole. Peruvian mole story: http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Rope-Peruvian-Folktale-Lazo/dp/0153073152 Reference Librarians are your friend if you are a student. In school I worked in the University library, and its amazing what you can find if you know where to look. A reference librarians job is to know where to look. But knowing how to do a proper search online should be basic student skills these day, like making notes on index cards was in my student days.
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	12-27-2009 10:00 From: DanielRavenNest Noe Peruvian mole story: http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Rope-Peruvian-Folktale-Lazo/dp/0153073152 Reference Librarians are your friend if you are a student. In school I worked in the University library, and its amazing what you can find if you know where to look. A reference librarians job is to know where to look. But knowing how to do a proper search online should be basic student skills these day, like making notes on index cards was in my student days. Um..... I'm pretty sure she was just giving some wierd extreme example that did not actually depict reality. I'm also pretty sure that she really does know how to find obscure articles that exist out there. She was just using the 'mole' to make a point. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Novis Dyrssen Girl Geek Join date: 6 May 2007 Posts: 1,452	12-27-2009 10:14 From: LittleMe Jewell Um..... I'm pretty sure she was just giving some wierd extreme example that did not actually depict reality. Pssst. I think he knows. That link actually made me chuckle. Thankfully, it's a kiddie book, so nothing about mating rituals, ha! _____________________ ~~ immortal words of Rob Thomas ~~ Hey-yeah, welcome to the Real World Nobody told you it was gonna be hard
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	12-27-2009 10:49 From: Novis Dyrssen Pssst. I think he knows. That link actually made me chuckle. Thankfully, it's a kiddie book, so nothing about mating rituals, ha! Hahahaha - I did not actually click on the link /me wanders off to pump more coffee into the veins _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell

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