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Colette Meiji
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09-25-2007 12:56
From: Katie Singh It's just an interpersonal control thing, not anything that is being brought up. Yes, I'm a child avie, but that doesn't come into it. Other than it probably bothers me more because my whole point in SL is to experience innocence and simplicity and avoid the adult world.
I just want it to end and checking my email, I've AR'd four times since 9/11 and was wondering whether my ARs were going into the void, am I being too impatient, or is this type of stalking discounted as harmless by the libertarian oriented Lindens.
A big start would be if you ever get any acknowledgement that the issue has been investigated other than the automated message that it was received? If they decide this is spiffy behavior and I'm being ignored, would I get any message back? If I'm wasting my time I'd just as soon quit now rather than continue to waste my time. Were you ever even close freinds with this person? Its sounds like you would not have dated him online. Maybe try contacting customer service, I guess use a support ticket. Tell them you cant get help dealing with in world harassment.
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Har Fairweather
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09-25-2007 14:06
Now wait a minute. this guy is "sexually harrassing" you in SL and you are a kid avie who evidently RP's a kid to experience innocence and simplicity?
So you haven't "dated" him in SL? Haven't done pixel sex with him, presumably? Haven't related to him adult to adult in SL despite your kid av, or related to him adult to adult in another av form? And yet he does all the stalking behavior you describe in your OP?
If all these assumptions are correct, where does he get off sexually harrassing you and bugging your associates and stalking you into SLX or wherever? And where does LL get off not dealing forcefully and fast with someone who is evidently RP'ing a stalking pedophile?! Or contacting RL authorities about such a weirdo? After all t he experience they have had with "ageplay" scandals?
Something here doesn't add up.
Strife, tell me, assuming all is as described here, what is the LL position on RP'ing a stalking pedophile pursuing a child avatar? Or, if it is not as described here, what is LL's position on a thread like this?
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Marianne McCann
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09-25-2007 14:11
From: Har Fairweather Something here doesn't add up. Please re-read the thread, Har. You may be missing something. Mari
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Stacy Fuller
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09-25-2007 14:27
From: Colette Meiji I agree, the fight fire with fire approach often leads to ecalation.
The best approach is sit down and try to have an adult conversation with the unrealisitc would be suitor. Tell him your opinion of him declines with every stunt he pulls and hes long since destroyed any chance that youd try dating him again. I have a good friend going though cyber-stalking that just began this week. She is right now a total wreck over it. She has tried muting the person, the response of the stalker is to create an alt and PM and send friend requests to no end, begging to be allowed back into my friend's life. The stalker has even resorted to creating alts posing as a "friend" saying that the stalker is suicidal and can't live without my friend. How can you have a reasonable adult conversation with someone who wants uses tactics like this?
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Har Fairweather
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09-25-2007 14:37
From: Marianne McCann Please re-read the thread, Har. You may be missing something.
Mari Possibly. I just re-reviewed the two Katie Singh posts, which seem to be the relevant testimony. Yours seems to suggest you have been aware of Katie's problem, which obviously is of long standing. We have an OP reporting she "is a kid avie" in SL and has a very persistent SL stalker and is getting a long, thundering silence from LL. What am I missing?
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Har Fairweather
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09-25-2007 14:38
From: Stacy Fuller I have a good friend going though cyber-stalking that just began this week. She is right now a total wreck over it.
She has tried muting the person, the response of the stalker is to create an alt and PM and send friend requests to no end, begging to be allowed back into my friend's life. The stalker has even resorted to creating alts posing as a "friend" saying that the stalker is suicidal and can't live without my friend.
How can you have a reasonable adult conversation with someone who wants uses tactics like this? Might be useful if people who have successfully dealt with stalkers shared how they did it. This is apparently a recurring problem for women.
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Oryx Tempel
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09-25-2007 14:41
From: Har Fairweather Might be useful if people who have successfully dealt with stalkers shared how they did it. This is apparently a recurring problem for women. OK this is going to sound like I'm joking and derailing, but I'm not. One of the simplest and fastest way to get rid of an SL stalker is to put on a prim penis, a man's shape, and tell your male stalker that you're actually a man, and were just fooling around in a woman's shape.
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09-25-2007 14:47
From: Stacy Fuller I have a good friend going though cyber-stalking that just began this week. She is right now a total wreck over it.
She has tried muting the person, the response of the stalker is to create an alt and PM and send friend requests to no end, begging to be allowed back into my friend's life. The stalker has even resorted to creating alts posing as a "friend" saying that the stalker is suicidal and can't live without my friend.
How can you have a reasonable adult conversation with someone who wants uses tactics like this? I'm a guy, so I don't have as much insight into this as women do. This is one area where there is a significant gender gap, I believe. Has your friend considered creating her own alt? That might not work for the OP because she has her own family situation, so it will be obvious if she is RP-ing a child in that family. I guess if it were me, I would make an alt, transfer what I could and replace what I could and go from there. I'd notify friends whom I trust and not accept friends requests from anyone else. pretty much keep in in lockdown mode until the guy loses interest and backs off. If she has a business, use the main account for business only and stay off it as much as possible. That's all I can think of other than what has already been mentioned. I know it sounds like you're letting the guy win by abandoning the main account, and my pride would have a hard time letting me do that, but in the long run, if you can minimize contact and just disappear for a while, that's probably for the best.
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Colette Meiji
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09-25-2007 15:02
From: Har Fairweather Strife, tell me, assuming all is as described here, what is the LL position on RP'ing a stalking pedophile pursuing a child avatar? Or, if it is not as described here, what is LL's position on a thread like this?
This should be banned by the sexual ageplayer restrictions I would think.
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Colette Meiji
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09-25-2007 15:07
From: Stacy Fuller I have a good friend going though cyber-stalking that just began this week. She is right now a total wreck over it.
She has tried muting the person, the response of the stalker is to create an alt and PM and send friend requests to no end, begging to be allowed back into my friend's life. The stalker has even resorted to creating alts posing as a "friend" saying that the stalker is suicidal and can't live without my friend.
How can you have a reasonable adult conversation with someone who wants uses tactics like this? Okay what I am saying is that most Break Ups in SL start badly and they escalate unrealisiticaly stemming from that. I am not saying people who broke up responsibly deserve to be harassed. I am not saying people who broke up irresponsibly deserve to be harassed. Im just saying that the first thing that should be tried is a rational approach. The Second is ignoring them. The third is the AR route. Going after them and their groups and their friends should be a last resort. Even if the person is completely irrational if they see that you are rational and are willing to try a non confrontational approach, there is a slight chance they will listen. If not what did you lose? Now If someone has already tried being rational and gotten NOWHERE of course they shouldnt be expected to keep trying it. Now if there never was a relationship - well then that person is a wacko. No point in trying to be rational with them.
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09-25-2007 15:15
i wanna stalker that gives me money every hour too!!
Where do i sign up?
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09-25-2007 15:24
I want a stalker that gives me better than 2L$/10minutes.
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Stacy Fuller
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09-25-2007 15:34
From: Trout Recreant I'm a guy, so I don't have as much insight into this as women do. This is one area where there is a significant gender gap, I believe. Has your friend considered creating her own alt? That might not work for the OP because she has her own family situation, so it will be obvious if she is RP-ing a child in that family.
I guess if it were me, I would make an alt, transfer what I could and replace what I could and go from there. I'd notify friends whom I trust and not accept friends requests from anyone else. pretty much keep in in lockdown mode until the guy loses interest and backs off. If she has a business, use the main account for business only and stay off it as much as possible. That's all I can think of other than what has already been mentioned. I know it sounds like you're letting the guy win by abandoning the main account, and my pride would have a hard time letting me do that, but in the long run, if you can minimize contact and just disappear for a while, that's probably for the best. We had discussed this, but in practice this is much harder to implement and SL has so many holes in itself. My friend has made a substantial decent investment in her property. Her stalker would just camp outside of the land and look at who comes in and out of land. This stalker has multiple computers and is on for close to DAYS. The stalker knows many of my friends contacts and can easily make a good guess at who the new identity would be. For what you suggest to work, my friend would need to go into some kind of an SL witness protection program. Essentially give up her lands, groups, and friends and start new. Any friend would also need to go though a similar process. This stalker is very determined! 
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Trout Recreant
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09-25-2007 15:54
Well, I'm really sorry this is happening to your friend, and to the OP. I don't have an answer then. Does she know who he is in RL? maybe call the local county prosecutor's office or go to court and get a restraining order? That would reveal her RL identity to the guy, though and he sounds like a real creep, so that may not be a good option. If he already knows her RL identity, though, an attorney should be able to craft a restraining order that prevents online harassment. It doesn't have to necessarily try to explain Sl to the courts (fat chance of that working), but it could cover all aspects of internet contact broadly and include some specific language that could be applied to SL.
Other than that, I'm just really sorry. This has to be an awful experience.
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09-25-2007 15:57
From: Trout Recreant Other than that, I'm just really sorry. This has to be an awful experience. Yes, and it shouldn't be happening. Hope something is done about it soon. This is something the monkeys that be should be taking seriously IMHO.
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Colette Meiji
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09-25-2007 16:06
I really think people who dont get reasonable customer service in world should be able to use the support ticket or phone number or something to complain out of world.
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Stacy Fuller
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09-25-2007 16:07
From: Trout Recreant Well, I'm really sorry this is happening to your friend, and to the OP. I don't have an answer then. Does she know who he is in RL? maybe call the local county prosecutor's office or go to court and get a restraining order? That would reveal her RL identity to the guy, though and he sounds like a real creep, so that may not be a good option. If he already knows her RL identity, though, an attorney should be able to craft a restraining order that prevents online harassment. It doesn't have to necessarily try to explain Sl to the courts (fat chance of that working), but it could cover all aspects of internet contact broadly and include some specific language that could be applied to SL.
Other than that, I'm just really sorry. This has to be an awful experience. Thanks for your suggestion and understanding. Unfortunately the stalker resides outside of the US (where my friend and I live) and the stalker is in Europe (France I think). I'll post updates if I hear anything. If we Linden Labs actually does anything, hopefully this will give hope to someone else.
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Marianne McCann
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09-25-2007 21:19
From: Katie Singh Not worth it. Strife - your PM box is full. Would it be possible to lock this thread, at the request of the OP? I can forward you a copy of her req., if you'd like. Mari
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Maggie McArdle
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09-25-2007 22:59
From: Stacy Fuller I have a good friend going though cyber-stalking that just began this week. She is right now a total wreck over it.
She has tried muting the person, the response of the stalker is to create an alt and PM and send friend requests to no end, begging to be allowed back into my friend's life. The stalker has even resorted to creating alts posing as a "friend" saying that the stalker is suicidal and can't live without my friend.
How can you have a reasonable adult conversation with someone who wants uses tactics like this? have her mute her stalker, and then tell your friends to mute them as well, record any ims/emails you have recieved from this person, tell your friends to do the same, and although i am not a fan of group AR-ing someone, in cases like these, where your friends are also being harassed, it may be the only way to get your friends stalker to back off. good luck to her.
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Stacy Fuller
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Thanks Maggie
09-26-2007 11:53
My friend has already muted the stalker, however that just brings a new ALT to harasses her. Unfortunately she is now getting emails that sound more menacing. To me they are threatening, but they don't come right out and say it?
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Gwylym Loon
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I have two friends being stalked.
10-04-2007 16:41
By the same guy. MO the same, groups the same, etc. One he seems to have left alone for now. The other he continues to harass. He has put in chat spy bugs, gotten locators onto her and been a royal pain to her and her boyfriend. Can names of perps be posted on this thread to see if it is the same guy?
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10-04-2007 16:45
Did she remove the bugs and locators?
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10-04-2007 16:48
From: Gwylym Loon By the same guy. MO the same, groups the same, etc. One he seems to have left alone for now. The other he continues to harass. He has put in chat spy bugs, gotten locators onto her and been a royal pain to her and her boyfriend. Can names of perps be posted on this thread to see if it is the same guy? No.
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10-04-2007 17:16
From: Chris Norse Did she remove the bugs and locators? Yeah, she has gotten rid of everything she could find. Even got a scanner to look for chat bugs and all.
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10-04-2007 18:33
From: Gwylym Loon Yeah, she has gotten rid of everything she could find. Even got a scanner to look for chat bugs and all. Did she also delete any item he gave her?
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