New AD farmer tactic

Let LL deal with the more obvious clutter first!

It's a matter of opinion of what's more obvious clutter. Considering that there are alpha-sort problems, ban lines can intrude inside buildings and be difficult to "screen-out". Some may consider ban lines worse than advertisements.

--Hugsy

Amen, Cristalle.

Sling, you are right. There are no rights in SL. There are no laws in SL. LL can do as they damn well please based on what their customers want (or not). Go ahead and AR these parcels all you want and let LL decide what to do with them. Before you do, however, I'd suggest you take a look around at the landscape at all the more obvious examples of Ad Farm extortion. Can you not for one second take pleasure in seeing those dwindling away one by one? Must you continue to allow your emotions force you to seek vengeance against the Ad Farmers at any cost?

Please consider letting this go for awhile while LL deals with the HUGE task of cleaning up the obvious Ad Farms. Take a breath, smile and revel in the the success for a second.

There is no alpha sorting problem 8m or more away, whereas a big spinny prim is visible for as long as the draw distance is set.

Prioritise extortionist griefing as in:
1) Hyper-priced 16m plots with deliberately ugly prims
2) Hyper-priced 16m plots with redundant ban lines
???

That makes just about as much sense as:
1) Hyper-priced 16m plots with deliberately ugly prims having a lot of red in them
and having cleared them....
2) Hyper-priced 16m plots with deliberately ugly prims having a lot of blue in them
3) Hyper-priced 16m plots with deliberately ugly prims having a lot of green in them
4) Hyper-priced 16m plots with flavour.A of griefing
5) Hyper-priced 16m plots with flavour.B of griefing

Then start the whole round again on 32m plots

Then again with the next version of the same extortionist "business model".


ZOMG! A slippery slope! Oh Nooooees! Better to have ad farms in every sim!!!

Nooooo, not YOUR Ass!

I'm one of the most vehemently anti-ad-farmer shove-your-freedom-up-your-hippie-peacepipe conservatives on this issue, but I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would care about an empty parcel with access to it banned? Who cares? Do you just need the parcel and think it somehow should belong to you? Please don't abuse this new policy, and force me to take back all my ridicule of the slippery slope arguments.

No worries, Darling, I landed on a pile of soft fluffy pillows.

Tell that to the owner of a neighbouring plot who is being griefed by those ugly red lines 8 metres inside their own land.

Monday: Ad plot next door with ugly spinners
Tuesday: Ad plot next door with ban lines.
?? Oh Lord. Please make it Monday again!!!

And if you have a typical 16m x 32m 512 sq. m. plot surrounded on all sides by ban lines, then this means you have no hope of blocking them.

In case it helps, I'm not advocating the removal of ban lines and all related functionality. Options for controlling the display of? Yes.

--Hugsy

Of course you do have to wonder why they need to ban people from their 4M on a side land that contains all of 3 prims.

A 16m lot with ban lines next to your place is better than a 512m lot with ban lines.

instead of ban lines they should just make the land damage enabled and teleport you home should you happen to 'cross' the invisible lines, that way there are not ugly ban lines plus you get to keep 'kids off your lawn'

I don't really care - I dislike banlines but I get over it because I want the same option to ban anyone I choose. I have to stick my face in it to see it, and I would rather just chill out and enjoy my second life instead of worrying about whoever the hell wants to ban me or anyone else from land that they pay for. The sense of entitlement with other people's land here is truly astounding.

The prim is an obvious bait for more than just the adjacent neighbor and should take priority. Yes, ban lines are annoying but far more often than not you don't have to look at them! Unless you are surrounded by them on all sides, I think most rational adults can deal with it. So what if it lines the road? How often are you actually walking on the road? Most people make a stink and they don't have to look at it. And if you give it some time, the price will come down, just like in Conifer's thread. If they've gone to the trouble of putting up ban lines, it will not be long before the land price comes down to earth.

A stab wound in your toe "is better" than a slash wound across your face.
Both would be an assault.

LL are targeting griefy behaviour calculated to extort a huge price for land.
They are not targeting advertising.
They are not targeting ugly.
They are not targeting ban lines.

They are targeting the *abuse* of things that are allowed to us in SL.
There is no slippery slope - not unless your behaviour is bordering on abusive.

well thats true isn't it?

Spinning prims aren't banned either -

Just using Spinning Prims in order to get a jacked up price for an otherwise near worthless speck of land.

Ban Lines aren't banned -

But using ban lines for land extortion? .. Very well could be.

Extortion obviously. I doubt anyone in this thread would argue that's the purpose regardless of what argument they are making.



It's called consumerism. Since I always love to use analogies...Trader Joe's (a supermarket chain) changed the formula on a very popular cheesy popcorn. I worked for them temporarily and the complaints were many. Eventually they were forced back to the old formula. You know what? Some people preferred the newer recipe but now they are out of luck. Too bad, that's the way the industry works. I just don't understand why people see this as any different. Not everyone wins in the end.



A lot actually, but that's not for you to determine whether it's important or not.




You and I are usually in agreement on most things, Cristalle, so I'm glad we're back to agreeing on this. The problem is much ado about nothing at this point. Give it time to iron itself out which it likely will.

Who is displaying an astounding sense of entitlement and what do they apparently feel entitled to?

If you think there's someone on this thread who wants to rid the grid of ban lines and gain unrestricted access to all land, I don't see it. Of coarse I may have missed a post or two.

--Hugsy

There was a comment by Sling about both visual blight and restricting movement. As if getting rid of the signs wasn't enough, got to have access to the land? Firm step down the slippery slope.

I hate ban lines, but would not AR a plot with them on my sim in most circumstances. The only exception would be if the plot was owned by the second most notorious extortionist in SL.

All bets are off when it comes to Marx or Hax.

You make an excellent point. Since it is one of those two doing this the most I might have to reconsider my stance on the issue. I still think it'd be ridiculous to waste time or energy in general, but those two scumbags would likely be an exception.

I'm awfully fickle today. Must be the fever.

It's a person's choice to put ban lines up and to set the price of his land. LL shouldn't be able to exert too much control over the market.

Sling said, "Banlines on a 16m plot are transparently (sic) a visual and movement harassment of neighbours."

Well, there's the thought out there that some prims are textured in a certain way NOT because they're supposed to be artwork or an advertisement, but rather they're obviously supposed to be ugly in order to extort money.

On the same vein, there are ban lines being used NOT because the owner is hell bent on keeping people off their land, but rather they're obviously supposed to harrass others with restricted movement (as well as be ugly and intrusive) in order to extort money.

While I should probably let Sling respond to this, I think this is what was meant not that all land should be access list free. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

--Hugsy

When it comes to access, I draw the line and it doesn't matter why you ban anyone or everyone. That's your business. People putting themselves in others' business is the usual problem with ban lines. Very few people are actually surrounded by them and getting pissy about a few plots that don't surround you is a waste of energy. With time, they will go away or be priced to sell.

I don't think anyone want access to the ad plots.
Nobody wants to go in to those empty 4x4 parcels and mess with the owners non-existent 3 prims.

Take the example referenced above re R* M* suddenly putting up ban lines on an extensive line of roadside ad plots.
Did he suddenly get all precious about people "accessing" his land?
Did he hell.

He just did it to make life difficult for the landowners in the sim.
He did it to extort a high price.

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There is no difference in principle between ugly spinners and ban lines.

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