Are the Land Bots still roaming around? or extinct now?

Does not make sense to swap estate land for mainland.

I'm sorry, Raymond.....what I meant with that quote is that there are a lot of people giving away land on estates right now, and probably giving it away for less than mainland. I've got it tagged at .7/m, and above, they are saying that mainland will go for more than that, and be picked up by a land bot. That was the point. I could tag it at .3/m or less....and some people are doing just that.....and it will still not get picked up. That was not a negative comment to landbot owners, but more of an invitation.

Why is estate land worth less than mainland? Seriously. The first year I was here - I bought and sold land all day long - it was a blast. Back then - estate land was much easier to sell. (yes, I realize that you are not actually "buying"...you are renting (paying tier) to an estate holder....but in the same vein, you pay tier to LL for mainland....and the option on the land says...."BUY."

Swapping 6144 for 512 does not make sense? Why?

For me the answer to this question has always been simply that when buying Mainland I only have to worry about LL screwing me over and when on Estate land I have to worry about someone else having that ability as well as LL.

I get one mainland 512 tier free with my premium membership. I can buy a 512 for L$800. This is the end of my financial obligation. There is no estate owner involved that I have to pay monthly rent to. Estate owners also may decide they no longer want their estate and sell it, leaving me homeless.

Estate land is not worth less than mainland. Just overall competition and too many plots of land and not enough people are driving prices down all over SL, on estates and on the mainland.

Raymond and Pie -

In this case, I've had exceptional service from the estate owner for over 2 years....better than LL for handling anything in a timely fashion....so is that the only reason?

And for value - I guess I look at it like Pussycat said....more of a value for someone who wants to set up a home...not a speculator. I don't see that "speculating" is an option anymore.

Thank you for the input. Really is sad that it turned out that way....used to be an entirely different ballgame....and used to be much more fun!

Even with exceptional service, zero rent on a tier free 512 on the mainland still beats paying for estate land for me right now. How much is your monthly rent?

To Pussycat's point, SL can still be fun as long as you are not trying to profit from land flipping. The low cost of land can actually increase your fun because you can get a plot to decorate cheaper these days.

This was part of the discussion I was trying to find on the new forums - how land bots are practically gone and how low one has to price mainland to activate one.

Someone on that forum said that one of the biggest in the land business, mentioning Elanthius by name, was out of the business now.

Now if I could just figure out how to search for a thread on those dang "new and improved" forums.

Elanthius' bots are no longer operating but others are. The base price of mainland is L$1.6 per meter, so to have your land snatched either by a land bot, or by a land broker within an hour, set it at L$1.5 a meter. Unless it's waterfront, then contact a broker like CP Costello or Beetle Bailey directly.

Ninjaland is still in business, but not doing mainland sales or rentals. Elanthius still has some very nice private estate parcels for rent, and the tier rental business is still going. At present Elanthius and Skye are not very much involved with the mundane details due to RL comitments, but the staff at Ninjaland is very capable of day to day operations.

And I will second the opinion that Elanthius and Ninjaland operate with the highest level of ethics that one will encounter in the SL land market.

Hi Raymond!

I've gone to renting. Got 2160 of double prim on Zindra for 800 a week. That's 988 prims! Still have one of my historic parcels on Sansara (it's rented at cost to a friend) but sold all else for a big proft in September. Also have a piece of a homestead, but going to let that go when the rental period runs out. The beach is starting to bore me.

Would trade it all away for residency in your sweet Liome once more.

Love
Jannae

I meant Fun all around, Raymond. Not talking about land flipping/profit only...but Fun when you purchase a beachfront lot...fix it all up, then decide you want to try a snow covered lot the next month....maybe a desert lot the next month. Not everyone can afford to do that anymore, if you can't sell the piece you already have.

And what I hear from people in the store, these days....is that they prefer to rent now. That way they CAN jump around without tying up some funds. But I think they had more fun when they felt like they owned their own place, and had more control. I could sort of hear it in their typing.

Well, other then giving someone other then LL the oppurtunity (whether thru malicious intent or simple negligence) to have control over my property and possibly screw me over, I found that I really didn't like having extra limitations on what I was allowed to do, build, or sell on land that I had paid for and paid tier on. I even sold off my Mature mainland at a loss and bought Adult mainland for my home to remove the new limitations LL placed on property that I had owned under a different agreement of limitations for years.

I just don't like the extra limitations and unnecessary middleman of renting land on an estate.

Plus, I don't have to move everytime I want a different environment around me; If I want a beach front I build a tiki hut in the middle of a prim ocean, a desert?, sure, I can do that too. I can even make it snow on my tiki hut in the middle of the desert. I am not hampered a Theme or Convenant. To me, that only is a priceless commodity.

YMMV.

Did I mention that my landgroup has 5 premium accounts so that I get almost 3K meters of land completely tier free?

I just don't feel any limitations, which is why I always get my land from them. I can do all of the above. On Mainland, I never could have a beach where I was - so that's a huge limitation. And for instance, when someone was gunning down people in the store - a call to a manager, and the griefers were banned from six hundred sims within half an hour - LL isn't going to do that.

Those 5 premium accounts are all yours? you and your alts? I could do that - except one is a deadbeat.

Thanks for that, Jannae. You made my night.

I would love to see Liome return to its former glory. At least I have a few photos...

Always glad to make your night. I have a few pics as well. I remember when windlight hit. I took that cool wl pic for you that you used in your ads. I was straining hardware wise to get that. Sitting behind a much more powerful rig these days. Too bad the client sucks so bad!

Still have my Liome shirt that Rosie made. I would love to wear it in a reborn Liome. Never a better home on the grid dammit.

If I can buy a 512 for less than 900L now... yes, I can do that - daily.

Just buy, and sell at a slight loss, and call it paying 25 cents for time enjoyed.


As for mainland vs estate - that's an endless debate. I'm in the mainland camp. I like having my home at higher than 4000m, and an assortment of small builds dotting the sky at elevations along the way where there's no one else around. I like my protected road. I like that I'm not having to grease the wheels of a person, but am instead bound by a policy - rules can change, but at least they exist.

And the rules which have changed - they've affected estate and mainland the same. If you're estate land didn't change to adult, certain conduct is no longer allowed in a commercially public space. If it went adult, certan people can no longer enter. Just as with mainland.
- Except that its pure whim of your landlord as to whether or not you got a free swap to another plot when the changed happened. Whereas with mainland, everyone got a chance at a free swap, based on a set of rules in a neutral policy.