SexGen Take-Down order??

It'll definitely change the market, but there's more an opportunity here than a threat, I think. Certainly some won't age-verify and I would suppose that means they won't be able to have pixelsex and stay within the rules. (I've heard arguments counter to that, but it's hard for me to see what in-world could be more "sexually explicit" than actual pixelsex, so I'm assuming it's IDV or celibacy, for those who want to stay within the rules.)

But somehow I just don't think people who really wanna have pixelsex are gonna stop.

So apropos SexGen(TM), I kinda think you're right: the current products--furniture with embedded sex animations--may not be so lucrative going forward, but I'd bet that such animations will get played somewhere, somehow, just about as much as they are now... and if so, the trademark (unless successfully challenged) could retain some value, if its owners and licensees are able to move with the market.

I think an option for sex object makers would be to offer catalogs and distribute them. Some shops already do this. As far as I know, with the age verification, if you don`t do it, you can not get on flagged parcels.........So they are going to have to go to you... In the privacy of your land and in the form of a catalog you can order from. Or, just use web-based shops such as slex and onrez and have them delivered directly into your inventory.

If sex on your own land becomes banned, well, i`m scared for the future of SL.

I would imagine that's done by using the non fake money they earn selling these fake items. Last time I checked, when I cashed out my Lindens for USD, I could still use that to pay my non fake bills.

Are you trolling or just being a bit thick?

# A real life person sat at their computer and built actual 3d content with tools built into 3d development software.

# A real life person sat at their computer and created actual graphical textures with real life graphical software (such as Photoshop) which probably cost them a lot of real life money.

# A real life person sat at their computer for hours scripting code with an actual scripting language.

All of this would have taken a considerable number of man hours to develop, and are far from figments of the creator's imagination. (Oh how lovely it would be to "imagine" our products into existence.)

So I suggest your stick your actual comments up your imaginary arse. The real one is apparently positioned much further up your body.

It makes you wonder whether those Gorean silks she was once accused of ripping off really were ripped off. I find it hard to believe any content creator (whatever their opinions about commerce and litigation in Second Life) would hold an opinion like that.

That would probably be me. I'm one of Stroker's estate managers and I'm responsible for IP Compliance.

When it comes to my attention that someone is selling a product which infringes our Trademark or Copyright, I issue a takedown notice which has been drafted by Stroker's IP attorney. It's an informative notecard which assumes that the recipient is unaware that they are infringing our IP rights, and explaining why they should stop using our trademark or infringing our copyright. I do not make threats. My objective is co-operation not confrontation. I'm always happy to talk through any questions that arise and make suggestions as to how product descriptions may be changed in order to avoid problems.

In 95% of cases we reach an amicable solution, in the other cases I advise Stroker who decides what further action will be taken.



You've said this before in the forums, and you are as incorrect this time as you were before. "SexGen" has been both trademarked and copyrighted for over 3 years. At the time that the first legal case was started, Stroker, acting on legal advice, transferred the trademark and copyright ownership from himself personally to his company Eros LLC, resulting in new filings in the name of Eros LLC at that time.

During the last 3 years Stroker has actively protected both trademark and copyright. Just because YOU are not aware of it, presumably because you haven't been selling products as Sexgen, does not mean it has not been happening.

If anyone has any questions regarding Sexgen Trademark or Copyright issues, please feel free to IM me in world, where I'll do my best to answer.

Rather amusing for an avatar named "Nicholas Lyndhurst" to come here and give us a lecture about impersonating and copying... when that is the name of a well known actor.

Broccoli

Yeah, I'll have to have a word with him about pinching my name


P.s. I didn't intend it to be a lecture, just wanted to put right a few incorrect comments on this thread.

You are quite right Walker, I wouldn't. Its called irony. I should have added a row of smilies or a smart remark. Just too tired I guess.

sigh

imogen

Edit
Oh, I have never worn gorean silks by the way. Perhaps you didn't mean me after all. If not, my apologies and you did get the irony after all

Imogen

It is actually great thing someone has or can afford to enforce their copyright in way some others here might not be able to do.
I just wonder if it will be mote point when we in future can't even have nude art on mature land unless we are willing to give out things like social security numbers to prove we are adults in adult grid.
Copy rights are guess in important even if we aren't making dime on the item but I know if someone took my art and resold it I wouldn't or couldn't afford to take any legal actions and would be basically screwed.

I was agreeing with you, and adding my tuppence about the person you were responding to (talia Stanwell). No worries though. I probably shouldn't have shot from the hip like that anyway. Nothing riles me more than somebody like her claiming the stuff we spend hours (sometimes days, sometimes weeks, sometimes months) creating is "imaginary", as some kind of justification for ripping it off.

However it is a real player of a real game who invented an real virtual product for a real virtual game world for visually simulating fake sex.


Sure what happens in SL is fake. But the game is an actual game.

Or do you contend its a fake game?

Gorean silks rarely get ripped off.

All those geeky guys pretending to be "Gorean Masters" aren't assertive enough for that.

*wipes monitor*

Broccoli

Come here slave. Kneel before me as I gingerly remove these garments, folding them neatly and stacking them here on the table. Oh, look this one has a wine stain on it. Let me get some club soda......

Is that a conversation you overheard between your parents?

lolirl

don't Gorean parents lock the door and make sure the kids are asleep before whipping and bondage sex?

LOL. Again Ann references the old joke!
Yeah my Dad never quite got used to The Ways........

oh. Well it was still funny to me.


.lawl

Mama?

You rock, Colette!

/me puts on cheerleader sweater, grabs pom-poms, and starts jumping up and down

It's based on a simple lack of finding anything that shows a date prior to June 2007.

Looking at other trademarks that have changed owners it didn't impact the filing date and it lists both current and previous owners along with assignment history, none of that is present for the sexgen registration.

Everything on the USPTO site seems to point to a recent registration that is still in the process of being accepted and I don't really see a problem with pointing that out. If there's something with a 2005 date there, please do point it out because I haven't found it.

So, Q for anyone knowledgeable out there...

Say you have a shop name and a logo... is only the LOGO the trademarked part, or can you trademark the way that you combine the name with the logo (i.e. colors and fonts, placement around the logo, etc) as a trademark? And from what I understand, the digital content of the shop can be copywritten, yes? As in the original graphics files used?