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Brenda Connolly
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10-20-2007 07:22
From: Zaphod Kotobide It's all about you, isn't it?  I will task myself with completing it this coming week, and put together a complete "care package" of my favorite stuff, just for you. I think I will probably end up just putting everything on OnRez for now, watch how things go in-world over the next few months, and go from there. Winter is coming, and $50 a month is better spent on keeping the house warm. Too bad you can't burn any of her cheap furniture to keep the house warm. Yes. It is all about me. It always has been. 
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Zaphod Kotobide
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10-20-2007 07:24
The "freebie" or "almost freebie" furniture out there pales in comparison.. both in quality and quantity.. to what ACS has dumped, in mass quantity, into the 10Linden line on SLX. I never felt threatened by freebies, and never had any reason to. This is a much different beast, and it has many rows of sharp teeth. From: Har Fairweather As for the Anshe threat, I for one am at a loss to see how it will work for her. As someone pointed out, those who will buy her stuff probably don't have the price of the land to put it on. If you want that market, I'd say, make good, LOW-PRIM stuff at a reasonable price that works for you, and watch them beat a path to your door. I'm not in the furniture business, so it's easy for me to talk, but I think if you have a business that can compete against the ocean of L$0 and L$1 boxes full of freebie stuff out there - and there is some quite decent stuff mixed in with the crap - then you should have no trouble competing with L$10 items made by creators living in relatively isolated places, whether she finds them in Central China or Outer Tardistan living on roots and berries.
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Pie Psaltery
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10-20-2007 07:27
From: Denise Bonetto How many of those 'Plush' sims does AC have for commercial business? If she puts those renting on her land out of business, who is going to pay their tier?
Personally I don't think furniture prices are a major factor for most, the price that concerns people the most is the monthly recurring land fees, not one off purchases. How hard to turn 'commerical' into 'residential'? Seems to me people are much more likely to pay a lot for good residential land with a nice view. The majority of SL residents aren't here to create or sell anything. They want to play house. To play house they need land, but land is so expensive it's hard to afford it AND content. If people complain to you that they cant afford one off purchases because their land costs so much, and you are the person providing them with that land, do you lower your land prices or do you make some cheap shit for the complainers?
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Lucrezia Lamont
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10-20-2007 07:43
I am uncertain if my perspective and situation is rare or common or what, but here's my two Lindens:
While not wealthy, money is not an issue for me in SL, although I am as careful as possible regarding tier and the 1.5 sims I co-own is quite enough at present, thanks. BUT, I really don't care THAT much what a piece of furniture or outfit costs me providing I feel I'm getting value for my money.
What is value? Looks good, I like it, reasonably priced, and if furniture, must be low prim.
Since coming to SL at the beginning of this year I have shopped -- a LOT. And I mean a lot. I learned the value of prim conservative furniture, and sought out creators who struck a great balance between beautiful pieces and reasonable prims.
AC's 10L furniture is NOT competition to most content creators. The pieces are sterile, high prim, and quite frankly, not quality.
Also -- do people really want to buy furniture that is so easily obtainable and potentially in everyone else's homes? Isn't it fun to showcase something that yes, cost more, but because it cost more, is far more unique and all your visitors can think "Wow, that's a great item!"
Of course there will always be those who don't care about any of the above and see only price and perhaps a liking for the piece. That's fine. But the passionate of us in SL like to play, like what's unique, quality, fun, and will support others of like mind.
So really, AC is not competition for most content creators. I'll pay a little more for something I know is lower prim, higher quality and that isn't going to be in everyone else's home. This is our world, not AC's.
No need to worry.
Cheers.
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Har Fairweather
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10-20-2007 07:48
From: Zaphod Kotobide Tell ya what, HAR.
Why don't you come to my community, stand before the planning comission, and the community as a whole, and preach to us the gospel of Walmart, and how it will further dilute our economy with 200 MORE minimum wage jobs, while driving out family owned businesses, as well as the families who owned them, because they can't afford to compete.
Just because one "throw away" line happens to have caught your eye, doesn't mean there aren't any legitimate beefs with the company. There are MANY.
Go back to listening to your Rush Limbaugh archives. Heh, I only tuned in on Rush Limbaugh once, by accident. He's amusing. I have no problem with any legitimate beefs, with Wal-Mart or anyone else. I do have a problem with illegitimate attacks, and with scape-goating, both of which evidently pass for intelligent discourse among a lot of people who really should know better. There's far too much of that around, and on a lot of subjects besides Wal-Mart. By the way, I've heard a lot about these legions of family businesses Wal-Mart is said to have put out of business - but so far never from anybody who owned one. Have you found any in your community? I'd be interested. (I think, if you look into it, you will find the primary opposition traces back to the supermarket and retail workers' unions, who foam at the mouth and chew on the furniture over Wal-Mart's adamant anti-union policy.)
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Lucrezia Lamont
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10-20-2007 07:52
From: Pie Psaltery How hard to turn 'commerical' into 'residential'? Seems to me people are much more likely to pay a lot for good residential land with a nice view.
Aye, there's the rub. And has me thinking now in a different direction. I hate to say it, but yes, even with some beautiful mainland areas, it is slowly dwindling. I co-own 1.5 sims and in the past week I have acquired a Gorean wanna be neighbour who has a million textures and camping spots making it impossible to fly around that side of my sim, and RM, the AdFarmer who buys up plots next to Linden Road has moved into my 'hood. Come February I'm not sure if I'll be packing in all the mainland and selling it off and then finding a place to rent or trying to find a way to make an Island work. HOWEVER, I did inadvertently end up on some AC land last night and between no fly zones (which I know how to set my options to ignore) and BAN LINES, I was severely frustrated in traversing the area. The only people who must want to live on AC land are those who really really want their privacy and aren't creating to share with others. Which is fine... but again... where's the appeal for those of us who are here to build, play, share and have fun? I'm not trying to slag on AC, I really am not, but it's clear that she has her target audience. The question is, who comprises of the highest percentage in SL? Cookie cut outs who want to play house privately, or the explorers? *still pondering*
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Zaphod Kotobide
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10-20-2007 08:11
I don't live in a community where unions generally have much influence. We have two supermarkets and a K-Mart. The supermarkets we consider a necessary evil. People fought tooth and nail to keep K-Mart out. Every other retail establishment in our community is local, family owned. This includes hardware, furniture, apparel, electronics, appliances, lumber, just about every durable good you could think of. A Walmart presence here would destroy the majority of these businesses inside of a year.. and eventually probably even K-Mart. I know this is getting way OffTopic, and I'm sorry. I've said my piece, and taken a little too much liberty to do so.. off to other things.. Peace From: Har Fairweather Heh, I only tuned in on Rush Limbaugh once, by accident. He's amusing. I have no problem with any legitimate beefs, with Wal-Mart or anyone else. I do have a problem with illegitimate attacks, and with scape-goating, both of which evidently pass for intelligent discourse among a lot of people who really should know better. There's far too much of that around, and on a lot of subjects besides Wal-Mart. By the way, I've heard a lot about these legions of family businesses Wal-Mart is said to have put out of business - but so far never from anybody who owned one. Have you found any in your community? I'd be interested. (I think, if you look into it, you will find the primary opposition traces back to the supermarket and retail workers' unions, who foam at the mouth and chew on the furniture over Wal-Mart's adamant anti-union policy.)
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Brenda Connolly
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10-20-2007 08:13
From: Har Fairweather Heh, I only tuned in on Rush Limbaugh once, by accident. He's amusing.
I have no problem with any legitimate beefs, with Wal-Mart or anyone else. I do have a problem with illegitimate attacks, and with scape-goating, both of which evidently pass for intelligent discourse among a lot of people who really should know better. There's far too much of that around, and on a lot of subjects besides Wal-Mart. By the way, I've heard a lot about these legions of family businesses Wal-Mart is said to have put out of business - but so far never from anybody who owned one. Have you found any in your community? I'd be interested. (I think, if you look into it, you will find the primary opposition traces back to the supermarket and retail workers' unions, who foam at the mouth and chew on the furniture over Wal-Mart's adamant anti-union policy.) I am an avowed WM hater, because of it's Anti Unionism primarily, but also for many other reasons, some which have been notated here. I refuse to enter one of thier stores, I take Mom to one , I wait in the car. But I do agree with Har that they can be over demonized, they are simply using many of the business practices that the Great American businessmen used over 100 years ago. In certain areas they are a Godsend for sure, for workers and shoppers. Here however, I do see them as the equivalent to a swarm of locusts. The parking lots at the Walmarts where I live are full of BMW's. Lexus' and Hi Priced SUV's, people who don't have to shop at WM for economic reasons, but rather that the small local stores are disappearing. Luckily, here in Jersey, the unions have been able to keep WM out of the Supermarket End. None of those Super WM's are here. It's not just Walmart, all the big box stores are doing it, it's just that WM does it on a larger scale, is ruthlessly efficient, and gets the Media Attention.
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Har Fairweather
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10-20-2007 08:19
From: Zaphod Kotobide I don't live in a community where unions generally have much influence. We have two supermarkets and a K-Mart. The supermarkets we consider a necessary evil. People fought tooth and nail to keep K-Mart out. Every other retail establishment in our community is local, family owned. This includes hardware, furniture, apparel, electronics, appliances, lumber, just about every durable good you could think of. A Walmart presence here would destroy the majority of these businesses inside of a year.. and eventually probably even K-Mart.
I know this is getting way OffTopic, and I'm sorry. I've said my piece, and taken a little too much liberty to do so.. off to other things..
Peace I suspect a Wal-Mart in your area might well kill off the K-Mart, especially if it's much like the one around here, and a Sam's Club would hurt the supermarkets. But if your folks are surviving K-Mart, my guess is they are made of tough enough stuff to survive Wal-Mart too. Kinda like the way the Anshe Chung conversation is going here in SL - and perhaps for similar reasons, i.e. offering in their lines what Wal-Mart doesn't. Cheers.
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Tarina Sewell
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10-20-2007 08:21
I had a good chuckle over this myself.
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Malachi Petunia
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10-20-2007 08:51
From: someone Except Wal-Mart doesn't raise prices through the roof. And if it did, the Sherman Antitrust Act would quickly turn it into Was-Mart. Except that isn't the side of the store that has people concerned; I don't think anyone can credibly accuse them of anti-competetitive consumer price gouging. The troubles are at the loading docks on the back which you can't see through personal observation. If you make widgets and want to sell them through Wal-Mart, you can expect them to dictate your pricing, manufacturing, and even force you into collusion with your former competitors. That was why I called WM a monopsony. And these practices, although they chafe our concepts of free markets, don't have laws or enforcement suitable to deal with it. The deep cost is not to other retailers, but the death of manufacturers attributable to these practices. http://harpers.org/archive/2006/07/0081115
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Brenda Connolly
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10-20-2007 08:54
From: Malachi Petunia Except that isn't the side of the store that has people concerned; I don't think anyone can credibly accuse them of anti-competetitive consumer price gouging. The troubles are at the loading docks on the back which you can't see through personal observation. If you make widgets and want to sell them through Wal-Mart, you can expect them to dictate your pricing, manufacturing, and even force you into collusion with your former competitors. That was why I called WM a monopsony. And these practices, although they chafe our concepts of free markets, don't have laws or enforcement suitable to deal with it. The deep cost is not to other retailers, but the death of manufacturers attributable to these practices. http://harpers.org/archive/2006/07/0081115 They are famous for getting suppliers to work with them, then changing the terms and often requiring they don't do business with anyone else.
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10-20-2007 10:21
For what it's worth, I am a fairly new user and had never heard of this 10L line before, so I went and had a look. I only saw two things that caught my eye, but the prim counts are so high I would never use them. I have seen much better furniture in world that uses far fewer prims. I'd much rather pay an additional 50 to 75 cents in real money to have furnishings that don't kill my prim budget.
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Bradley Bracken
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10-20-2007 10:40
From: Har Fairweather You don't have to buy anything, just look, and listen. That's how you learn things. I have. Use to shop there regularly. I also have spoken to Wal-Mart employees who have jobs there but have no other choice. They really enjoy working very hard to barely be able to survive. In the 40's automakers were the biggest employer in the U.S. Today the biggest employer is Wal-Mart. That sure says a lot about the state of our nation and the two class society we have become. So, I have stopped, looked and listened and therefore have no intentions of stepping foot in Wal-Mart ever again.
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Brendan Cale
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10-20-2007 10:49
Back!
Jesus, her furniture is too high prim for me.
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10-20-2007 10:55
From: Zaphod Kotobide Given the number of accomplished content creators who frequent RA, I wonder what you guys/gals think of a concept like this in general. Well this is neither constructive nor polite but I'm about to go grocery shopping so am girding my mental loins against the huddled masses buying Halloween candy. I think the L$10 store is lame bullshit and Anshe has no right to dictate the future of the SL economy.
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Malachi Petunia
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10-20-2007 11:05
From: someone I think the L$10 store is lame bullshit and Anshe has no right to dictate the future of the SL economy. She may have the right, but the capability? Nah. Oh so where is this store? I'd like to make fun of it too but can't find it. And who says there's no such thing as blatent hypocrisy in business? From: ACS Press Release Above all, Anshe Chung stresses the importance of community in her vision of the virtual worlds and work spaces that she and others are pioneering together. Her goal is not merely to build a corporation, but to foster the development and growth of online communities, and to help make the entry of real world corporations into Second Life and other regions of the metaverse as frictionless as possible. It is her philosophy that Second Life is above all a social space, and that corporate entrants that respect the community will be the most successful. I can just feel the love and respect.
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Kira Cuddihy
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10-20-2007 14:35
From: Har Fairweather I've heard a lot about these legions of family businesses Wal-Mart is said to have put out of business - but so far never from anybody who owned one. Have you found any in your community? I'd be interested. Here I am honey, look at me. This is all I have to say on the subject, *No Longer in Business*
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Eveline Nixdorf
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10-20-2007 18:08
Capitalism is just Darwinian - it's just the way it is. The more adaptive shark eats up the little fishies. No surprises there. But people seem to forget that choices do exist - sure, if your shop is put out of business by WM, you could... could to to school to become something in incredible demand, such as an ultrasound tech, like some Russian physicians I know, who couldn't transfer their credentials here. Most people would rather kvetch. As for the analogy between AC and WM - WM would fail if their stuff was junk. I shop there all the time.
Kvetch kvetch kvetch.
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10-20-2007 18:28
hey, if i can get $10L furniture, i'm going to. i sell most of my clothes for $10L..... i see no sense in charging more, unless it has a lot of alpha and prims (obviously those are more work to create).
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10-20-2007 19:13
From: Pie Psaltery Simple... if content is cheap, people will have more money to spend on land, which they'll need to house cheap content. You can't convince me that the difference of paying L$200 (approx US $0.75) versus L$10 (approx US $0.04) on a few one-time purchases is going to be the deciding factor if one is going be able to afford buying/renting land and paying recurring monthly tier/rent.
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Heath Homewood
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10-20-2007 19:19
Huh. Anshe CHungs L$10 items are almost all furniture so far: living room, dining room, office. *yawn*
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Kira Cuddihy
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10-20-2007 19:19
From: Eveline Nixdorf Kvetch kvetch kvetch.
Nope I was not complaining. He/she wanted to know if anyone knew anyone that had lost their business, I was merely answering the question.
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10-20-2007 19:29
consumer to creators: your work means nothing to me; therefore you should give it to me for free or as near-free as possible because i want it (but it means nothing to me, remember that). also, i would like the marketplace to be free of competition - without a yardstick for comparison, you will continue driving manufacturing standards down and i wouldn't know (or care to know) the difference. creators/engineers/artists to consumer: ... retailer to consumer: your life means nothing if you don't shop here!! bigger penis!! better orgasms!! no answers... just thoughts. sorry; having fun 
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Kornscope Komachi
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10-20-2007 22:08
AC is just getting started. There is probably less than the mentioned 100 Certified (LOL) people creating content. Probably 1 or 2 and be added as demand grows. And yeah, 10 grand to do the initial content design FOR them, thats a good one.
Seriously, this can only grow from Annies point of view. Her own sims and islands with her own malls and content. Sounds like that should have the package rounded up nicely. Of course everybody won't do there shopping locally but a large amount will.
And you [OP] asked for a quick answer..
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