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Brendan Cale
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10-20-2007 00:40
Could someone tell me where Anshe Chung's 10L store is perhaps please? Thanks! :o
Valentino Tendaze
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10-20-2007 00:44
It was supposed to be on SL Exchange. I've never looked to see if it is...
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Denise Bonetto
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10-20-2007 01:35
It is only on SL Exchange. High prim furniture like that at 10L could never cover the cost of land tier to have an actual shop.

Her concept doesn't make any sense to me, if you can afford the land to put that many prims on, you don't really need 10L items.
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10-20-2007 02:47
From: Brendan Cale
Could someone tell me where Anshe Chung's 10L store is perhaps please? Thanks! :o


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Or

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10-20-2007 03:27
www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=83050

But remember, a baby dies everytime you buy something from (mr.?) 10Linden.
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10-20-2007 04:20
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10-20-2007 04:32
NOW YOU DID IT! lol. I will check this post tnoght and it will be 5 pages long watch and see ;-)
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Zaphod Kotobide
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10-20-2007 04:54
Given the number of accomplished content creators who frequent RA, I wonder what you guys/gals think of a concept like this in general. When I began my business back in January, and even today, there seemed to be a reasonable average cost of a typical furniture piece of a given style and quality.

As a putter togetherer of furniture prims myself, and someone who has put an enormous amount of time and effort into the project, to suddenly find myself potentially competing with something like this really kinda knocks the wind out of the sails. Not that it's really competition - I would never make tier or even come close to breaking even if I were to price my product in such a way. As it is, I now have to constantly worry if all that time and effort is for nothing - why would somebody buy my product for $L250-300 when a piece of similar quality can be had for $L10?

I'm sure the intention was honorable, I'm just not so sure that the net effect is going to be all that positive in the long run. If this idea really catches on, could it actually make a considerable dent in the economy? The furniture market naturally follows the prefab house market.. and I suspect there is still considerable spending in these areas - both in Linden dollars as well as (for many) the USD spent to acquire them.

I have some real concerns about this - just as I have concerns every time Walmart attempts to convince our local planning commission that they would be a welcome and productive member of our little mountain community in Big Bear.. when the reality is they would put 80% or more of our local retail proprietors out of business.

Please be constructive and polite.
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Ciaran Laval
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10-20-2007 05:00
From: Zaphod Kotobide

I have some real concerns about this - just as I have concerns every time Walmart attempts to convince our local planning commission that they would be a welcome and productive member of our little mountain community in Big Bear.. when the reality is they would put 80% or more of our local retail proprietors out of business.



This is actually my concern with this. Other content creators will be put out of business which is not good in the long term for choice.
Denise Bonetto
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10-20-2007 05:14
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Given the number of accomplished content creators who frequent RA, I wonder what you guys/gals think of a concept like this in general. When I began my business back in January, and even today, there seemed to be a reasonable average cost of a typical furniture piece of a given style and quality.

As a putter togetherer of furniture prims myself, and someone who has put an enormous amount of time and effort into the project, to suddenly find myself potentially competing with something like this really kinda knocks the wind out of the sails. Not that it's really competition - I would never make tier or even come close to breaking even if I were to price my product in such a way. As it is, I now have to constantly worry if all that time and effort is for nothing - why would somebody buy my product for $L250-300 when a piece of similar quality can be had for $L10?

I'm sure the intention was honorable, I'm just not so sure that the net effect is going to be all that positive in the long run. If this idea really catches on, could it actually make a considerable dent in the economy? The furniture market naturally follows the prefab house market.. and I suspect there is still considerable spending in these areas - both in Linden dollars as well as (for many) the USD spent to acquire them.

I have some real concerns about this - just as I have concerns every time Walmart attempts to convince our local planning commission that they would be a welcome and productive member of our little mountain community in Big Bear.. when the reality is they would put 80% or more of our local retail proprietors out of business.

Please be constructive and polite.


I have thought about this a lot when AC announced what she intended to do. Recruitment posts by her on the SLex forum gave enough information for us to know that around 100 people are being employed full time in both China and I think it was Russia to flatten the content market with firstly furniture and then moving on to other items like clothes and prefabs.

AC says it's to lower the SL content prices which she considers too expensive (funny that coming from a land baron, the biggest cost in SL). AC must even find that by selling items for 10L it can't cover the tier or she would be opening shops and not just putting the stuff on SL. The only logical reason for her to do this, in my opinion, is to wipe out the competition and then put her own prices up once she has the monopoly of SL content. If she really wanted to help the poorer people in SL, why would you pick furniture first to do it, high prim at that, where to put it out you must be spending a fair amount on land monthly.
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Ethan Habsburg
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10-20-2007 05:37
Given the high prim count of most of her pieces, I wonder if her real intention is to rent/sell more of her land.
Being in the furniture business myself, I am concerned.
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Denise Bonetto
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10-20-2007 05:47
This one baffles me even more:

http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=379911

So she is hoping to charge people 10,000L for them to design her furniture for her and in return you get 50 copies, thus charging you 200L each, and then selling them for 10L to everyone else.

Anyone think this is a good deal?
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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10-20-2007 06:16
I thought the unspoken intent was to drive other content creators out of business with low, low prices, gain a near monopoly on the market, then be free to raise prices through the roof. Much like Wal-Mart in the real world.
Malachi Petunia
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10-20-2007 06:27
I find it unlikely than any single merchant could have that great an impact on the second largest "industry" of durable goods in SL.

My guess is she's taking her lead from Wal*Mart. The only problem is, the factors of production here are unique and probably don't afford the same monopsony effect.

I don't shop at Wal*Mart because of their business practices, nor would I ever buy Anshe Chung Inc. goods for the same reason.

(Was that polite enough?)
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10-20-2007 06:41
From: Denise Bonetto
This one baffles me even more:

http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=379911

So she is hoping to charge people 10,000L for them to design her furniture for her and in return you get 50 copies, thus charging you 200L each, and then selling them for 10L to everyone else.

Anyone think this is a good deal?


LOL WHAT!! Nice find XD
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=discussions&ItemID=379911
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Zaphod Kotobide
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10-20-2007 06:51
I'd like to agree with all of this, and in principle I certainly do.

The factors of production are indeed unique in Second Life. So too are the factors of demand and accompanying economics. My guess is going to be that the number of folks willing to sweep their "principles" under the rug, and patronize Walmart ACS will far outweigh those who are willing to keep their money where their principles are. I know many people IRL who talk a big anti-Walmart talk, but are in fact closeted Walmart shoppers.

I realize it is too early to really gauge the impact here, but I'm not sure I will be able to sustain my business long enough to even know, given the current state of affairs, ACS aside.

From: YouKnowWho

"I think this is definitely good news for the content creator community of SL, much the same way ACS entering the IMVU content market helped the content creator community as a whole to grow their business."


So.. Undercutting my business by up to 400%, on such a potentially massive scale, is somehow going to help me, a content creator in Second Life, to "grow my business".

I f&$#ing give up. 12k square meters of land for sale in Fears Trebled. Tune into the Land Sales tab on in-world search for details soon.

So much for politeness, I know. Sorry. So much for all of the effort over the last 8 months, too.

From: Malachi Petunia
I find it unlikely than any single merchant could have that great an impact on the second largest "industry" of durable goods in SL.

My guess is she's taking her lead from Wal*Mart. The only problem is, the factors of production here are unique and probably don't afford the same monopsony effect.

I don't shop at Wal*Mart because of their business practices, nor would I ever buy Anshe Chung Inc. goods for the same reason.

(Was that polite enough?)
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10-20-2007 06:59
Simple... if content is cheap, people will have more money to spend on land, which they'll need to house cheap content.
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10-20-2007 07:02
Spot on, Pie. Spot on.

From: Pie Psaltery
Simple... if content is cheap, people will have more money to spend on land, which they'll need to house cheap content.
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10-20-2007 07:03
If you sell, for example, Faberge eggs that you've made, it's irrelevant whether you sell them for L$500 or L$5 if the grid is awash with freebie Faberge eggs!

I made almost everything at my place - the building, the furniture, my car. The only things I bought were my dining chairs because they have a good eating script - they were only L$50 each! Also my van was given to me by a friend who designed it.

All my clothes are either home-made or freebies, I styled my own hair but I did spend L$1000 on my skin.

I tell all this by way of buyer profile. One can make beautiful things but there might not be a vaible market for them, or if there is, there might be too much competition.
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10-20-2007 07:04
From: Zaphod Kotobide
I'd like to agree with all of this, and in principle I certainly do.

The factors of production are indeed unique in Second Life. So too are the factors of demand and accompanying economics. My guess is going to be that the number of folks willing to sweep their "principles" under the rug, and patronize Walmart ACS will far outweigh those who are willing to keep their money where their principles are. I know many people IRL who talk a big anti-Walmart talk, but are in fact closeted Walmart shoppers.

I realize it is too early to really gauge the impact here, but I'm not sure I will be able to sustain my business long enough to even know, given the current state of affairs, ACS aside.



So.. Undercutting my business by up to 400%, on such a potentially massive scale, is somehow going to help me, a content creator in Second Life, to "grow my business".

I f&$#ing give up. 12k square meters of land for sale in Fears Trebled. Tune into the Land Sales tab on in-world search for details soon.

So much for politeness, I know. Sorry. So much for all of the effort over the last 8 months, too.

Am I still going to get that lounger I ordered a few months back before you close up shop?
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10-20-2007 07:07
From: Jezebella Desmoulins
I thought the unspoken intent was to drive other content creators out of business with low, low prices, gain a near monopoly on the market, then be free to raise prices through the roof. Much like Wal-Mart in the real world.


Except Wal-Mart doesn't raise prices through the roof. And if it did, the Sherman Antitrust Act would quickly turn it into Was-Mart.

Wal-Mart is a popular whipping boy among the rad-lib crowd these days, so you see every sort of nonsense and outright falsehood thrown around concerning them, like the throwaway line above. I think mostly by folks who talk only to people with their own narrow Politically Correct attitudes, and who would never actually (gasp!) visit a Wal-Mart, so many of them don't even know how foolish or dishonest their assertions are, and the nonsense feeds on itself as people try to outdo each other displaying the fervor of their anti-Wal-Martness.

Next time you want to diss Wal-Mart, I suggest you restrain yourself at least until you've talked to some of "those" sorts of people who shop there and/or work there. For the shoppers, typically working class or old people living on a tight budget, it's a godsend. And the people who work there are generally glad to have the jobs (which pay at least the prevailing wage), despite the occasional mis-hired store manager. Actually go to a Wal-Mart, and look around. You don't have to buy anything, just look, and listen. That's how you learn things.
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10-20-2007 07:08
From: Pie Psaltery
Simple... if content is cheap, people will have more money to spend on land, which they'll need to house cheap content.


How many of those 'Plush' sims does AC have for commercial business? If she puts those renting on her land out of business, who is going to pay their tier?

Personally I don't think furniture prices are a major factor for most, the price that concerns people the most is the monthly recurring land fees, not one off purchases.
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10-20-2007 07:14
It's all about you, isn't it? ;)

I will task myself with completing it this coming week, and put together a complete "care package" of my favorite stuff, just for you.

I think I will probably end up just putting everything on OnRez for now, watch how things go in-world over the next few months, and go from there. Winter is coming, and $50 a month is better spent on keeping the house warm.

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Am I still going to get that lounger I ordered a few months back before you close up shop?
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Har Fairweather
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10-20-2007 07:17
As for the Anshe threat, I for one am at a loss to see how it will work for her. As someone pointed out, those who will buy her stuff probably don't have the price of the land to put it on. If you want that market, I'd say, make good, LOW-PRIM stuff at a reasonable price that works for you, and watch them beat a path to your door.

I'm not in the furniture business, so it's easy for me to talk, but I think if you have a business that can compete against the ocean of L$0 and L$1 boxes full of freebie stuff out there - and there is some quite decent stuff mixed in with the crap - then you should have no trouble competing with L$10 items made by creators living in relatively isolated places, whether she finds them in Central China or Outer Tardistan living on roots and berries.
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10-20-2007 07:22
Tell ya what, HAR.

Why don't you come to my community, stand before the planning comission, and the community as a whole, and preach to us the gospel of Walmart, and how it will further dilute our economy with 200 MORE minimum wage jobs, while driving out family owned businesses, as well as the families who owned them, because they can't afford to compete.

Just because one "throw away" line happens to have caught your eye, doesn't mean there aren't any legitimate beefs with the company. There are MANY.

Go back to listening to your Rush Limbaugh archives.

From: Har Fairweather
Except Wal-Mart doesn't raise prices through the roof. And if it did, the Sherman Antitrust Act would quickly turn it into Was-Mart.

Wal-Mart is a popular whipping boy among the rad-lib crowd these days, so you see every sort of nonsense and outright falsehood thrown around concerning them, like the throwaway line above. I think mostly by folks who talk only to people with their own narrow Politically Correct attitudes, and who would never actually (gasp!) visit a Wal-Mart, so many of them don't even know how foolish or dishonest their assertions are, and the nonsense feeds on itself as people try to outdo each other displaying the fervor of their anti-Wal-Martness.

Next time you want to diss Wal-Mart, I suggest you restrain yourself at least until you've talked to some of "those" sorts of people who shop there and/or work there. For the shoppers, typically working class or old people living on a tight budget, it's a godsend. And the people who work there are generally glad to have the jobs (which pay at least the prevailing wage), despite the occasional mis-hired store manager. Actually go to a Wal-Mart, and look around. You don't have to buy anything, just look, and listen. That's how you learn things.
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