The Most Honest in my Field

Can I get a clear definition on Key Word Stuffing?

Does it mean putting words that DO NOT cover what you sell in your parcel just so it comes up in search?

Or does it mean tons of Key Words that DO cover what you sell but are just there in the land description?



If it means adding words that DO describe your wares and are in there a lot, while boring and repetitive I cannot see the problem from an ethical (my ethics, your milleage may vary) point of view. If it means adding irrelevant terms, then that is misleadiing to the Searcher and not only a lie but downright stupid as I for one would not shop again in a place that lied to me. If I am looking for a wash basin there damn better be one if your land description said there was. Anything else is bait and switch, something that even RL frowns upon.

Amar: Do an ALL search for 'low prim furniture' (no quotes needed) and click on my listing - it should be #2. Have a look at my page to see what keyword stuffing is. You can look at the #1 listing too to see the same thing.

It's not stuffing loads of keywords in of things that are not sold, such as me putting lots of repetitions of "skins" into my page when I only sell furniture. It is stuffing loads of repetitions of valid keywords into the page (not just in the description either).

As you said, it's not unethical. But is does make the page pretty much useless for users.

That was LL blogging that "Almost everyone agrees that using Bots to manipulate traffic (and therefore Search rankings) is unfair."

To any reasonable person, this would be taken as LL saying that traffic botting was wrong - not because they were just about to make it a TOS offence, but because it was wrong in the first place. The reason they banned it was that it was bad behaviour for the reasons that they stated.

Anyone who continues to assert that there was nothing intrinsically wrong with traffic botting just makes themselves look like a complete idiot who lacks credibility.

Your logic is flawed, Sling, but we went through this earlier in the thread. I won't repeat from earlier so I suggest you go back and look. If you don't want to do that, I'll remind you that fair and unfair do not mean the same as right and wrong. Another reminder:- some people think it's unfair that people are born with silver spoons in their mouths (rich) while other are born into abject poverty, but there's nothing wrong with being born into riches. Remember now?

ETA:
"To any reasonable person ..." should have said "To any biased person ..."

Keyword stuffing is unethical. The persistence of people finding ways to game search for their own profit is forcing LL to expend resources in trying to reduce the impact of the abuse.
Those resources would be better expended on other aspects of SL. People who game search are not only abusing search. They are also effectively stealing resources from the rest of us.

You are banging you head against the brick wall of sheer nonsense, Sling. If you preface your statements with "Imo" then you'd be right, but you don't and you are wrong - very very often. We know your opinions but nobody is rushing to agree with them. Doesn't that tell you something?

Gotcha- then I am OK, b my lights and by what may change for LL in the future as my description contains only one instance of a relevant word.

Meantime, LL seems to be working on some changes the have allegedly scheduled for release end of Jan :

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Search_Guidelines

Yes, you're alright But you can include more than one instance without it becoming keyword stuffing.

The change that will supposedly (hopefully) do away with keyword stuffing is due very soon. I'm looking forward to it.

The brick wall is your nonsense, defending the indefensible.



Hello!
They said the P-word. - in the context of abuse.


Your gaming of Search via bots and keyword stuffing was/is bad behaviour according to LL.
Any stunts you pull in order to artificially inflate your ranking are bad behaviour according to LL.
Doesn't that tell you something?



The brick wall is your nonsense, defending the indefensible.

How about that - they included Picks. I hadn't seen that. Perhaps it's one of recent updates that was referred to in the latest blog.

Ok, you are right about "the inappropriate use of Picks", and I can no longer argue against your opinion on that. I still say that, until LL made statements about bots and picks, there was nothing whatsoever wrong with the way that either of them were/are used, and that the only thing wrong with such uses now is that LL will treat them as ToS violations (gaming search). For once, the brick wall you like so much softened for you

Of course, it does depend on what LL considers "inappropriate use" but it's hard to believe that rewards for picks isn't included. I can't think of anything else that you can do with picks that could be "inappropriate".

All this arguing is worthless. Phil, it's clear you are a self-serving asshole. That's all I need to know.

You're lucky most of your potential customers don't read your posts and know what a true jerk you are. I wouldn't buy your furniture if it was zero prims and L$1 per crappy piece.

You missed a bit out. I'm a self-serving asshole who makes a lot of RL money from SL - a very decent RL livelihood, in fact. Assholes do well in SL, don't you know

Oh, and no luck is involved - just honest-to-goodness assholery

Frankly, I don't believe you. It fits your profile to be lying about that.

What, that he's a "self-serving asshole"? I'm very confused now . . .

Can I suggest that this thread, having now passed from a) light humour, to b) a more-or-less serious discussion of business ethics in SL, to, finally, c) an exchange of personal abuse, has pretty much outlived its purpose?

Can we just count honours even, and end this now, please?

Which bit - about being a self-serving asshole, or about the money? If it's the latter, many people here have known for a very long time.

ETA:
Nobody here has ever seen my lying, btw. It's because I don't. Unlike you, who invents that lying fits my profile.

Okayyyyy!


I'm gonna Godwin this thread.














Deep breath...











Hitler was kind to children and dogs - well to those that he personally had dealings with - mostly.



Therefore he was not unethical.

Your cue, Brenda, I think . . .

You should know already Phil.....making money and being successful....is a blemish on your personality! Success will not be tolerated on this Forum!



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Not all are like that and maybe none are. Perhaps it's just that Anya doesn't want to think that a despicable bot-runner can actually be successful. Maybe it'll give her nightmares

It's not like that, either. I hope you *are* successful. It furthers my argument that the way to get ahead is to cheat.

But I don't think you're successful by RL standards, as you claim. It comes down to which I think is more likely...

1) You are earning real money selling mediocre products and copyright violations in an ugly warehouse in a game where people are willing to work for peanuts and success typically means being able to buy 60-cent virtual dresses without paying for them, or...

2) A sociopath is lying.

#1 involves all kinds of incongruity; #2 none at all

"Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities"

The most likely answer is usually the simplest, and all that...

I haven't seen you argue that before, and I can't offer an opinion because I have no experience of cheating to know how successful it is or isn't.

Actually, it comes down to truth and not down to what you think. It's pretty much common knowledge in this forum that I earn a decent RL livelihood from SL - and I'm not the only forum regular who does. I know you don't like to believe it, but I *do* like to shove it up the noses of idiots who insult me - that's when I trot it out here. It's my way saying that "I cry all the way to the bank" (Liberace, I think)

Btw, congratulatiions on finding your new 'word of the day' - sociopath. You kept using it yesterday in different threads. Have you just learned it? But your definition of it is wrong. It doesn't mean 'people who do things that I don't like'. Look it up - you'll see what it really means. I hope your misuse of it doesn't embarrass you though. I wonder if its definition includes publically lying about people, with no regard for how your lies mught affect them. If it does, you're a sociopath. If it doesn't your just stupid, or envious, or something like that

ETA:
The last paragraph raises a question - why did you call me a liar without ever having seen a lie from me?

And they know this...how? Your say-so? I told you how much that's worth to me.



I posted a link in my "you've jumped the shark" post. It was an ETA, so you may have missed it. It's what I meant by "your profile". It reminded me so much of you.

This is a new opinion, not a new word. I hadn't thought of you as a sociopath before this thread. Maybe only because I haven't read enough of your 8949 posts.



Either you are RL successful with SL or you are lying about it. I said the latter was more likely. The more desperate your "you're an idiot" posts get, the more convinced I am that I am correct.

Perhaps, to get rid of the blatant keyword stuffer abusers, we need the show in search button removed and have show in search be tied to only legitimate products for sale. I.e.; for sale shows in search and anyone that puts bogus crap out to use for keyword stuffing set for sale gets deleted from Second Life without any warning.

I know. A bot runner must be a liar by default But, since you ask, there are three reasons why it's common knowledge among some people here. One is that I offered to prove it. Another is the discussions in some of my posts - about cashing out large amounts - one gets an impression that way. The third is because I say so, and I've never been seen to be a liar.

I've come across the expression "jumped the shark" but I'm in the UK and I've no idea what it means, so I skipped it. There was no link at the time.

It looks like a new 'word of the day' to me, judging by the way you were using it in different threads (not just about me) yesterday. Either way, it doesn't describe me - unless ... bot runners are sociopaths by default - I forgot that

That's not right. You didn't say it as an opinion. You said that lying fits my profile. You called me a liar. Only an idiot would do that without having any evidence for it.

There are changes due to search All this month that LL say will cause keyword stuffing pages to go down in the rankings. If it works, that idea won't be needed - and, with a bit of luck, it'll work.