It's in a mall, now

I guess that is what happens when your run out your actual live patrons. Most of my friends that go there have been banned due to......lol.....how do I put this? Let's just say that ejecting and banning have become a popular pastime there lately.

Thanks for the info on the Savoy at VH. I've been there and it's always been empty, so I assumed it was a museum piece. I guess my timing is bad.

And where the hell was I when you visited while Nina was singing? I think I've missed all of one performance of her's at Savoy due to RL crap. I'm sorry I missed you! Come bakc sometime!

No, it usually IS pretty empty. If the idea is mingling or meeting people, I wouldn't recommend it.


Oh, I've no doubt I will! I'll look for you.

Yeah, agreed that the whole costuming issue is still a problem there. At the least, they need a nicer variety of freebies at the landing point, and maybe a few nicer items, even if these actually cost money.

It isn't a mall, per se, but there are a few nice clothing stores in Berlin, not far from the landing point; needless to say, they blend in with the surroundings. But perhaps not enough choice. I was desperately unhappy with the freebies myself (can you spell F-R-U-M-P???), so I ended up buy the most expensive dress there I have ever bought . . . (But it IS nice!)

I've seen so many threads on clubs allegedly using bots for traffic,etc, that I guess I'm just perplexed. The reason for that is that I've been DJing in SL for two years and none of the many clubs I've DJ'd or are DJing in has these bots. Some of the clubs that I know are bot free and fun are Not Too Hot (GREAT blues DJs and performers,) The Glamshack (great DJs and great rock,) and Fibber Magee's and The Blarney Stone in Dublin. I don't get out as much as I used to, due to running Savoy and I also DJ at other places for fun, etc.

I can't imagine why someone would resort to using bots for traffic and to simulate socializing, to be honest. Actually, I guess I can, if I put myself in the shoes of someone who wants to make money with their club. As others have said, all the good club owners I know, are in it for the love of music and/or social aspects. When Bill and I opened Savoy, we did it because no where else on the grid played straight ahead, classic jazz like we wanted. Sure, you could go to a "jazz" club and hear Sinatra and Bennett all night, but where could you go to hear Charlie Parker or Monk or Coltrane or Sarah Vaughan? So we opened Savoy as a labor of love, never expecting to make money. No bells or whistles, just a very nice club that Bill built and our friends DJing blues and jazz music. Surprisingly, we get a pretty good crowd for almost every event we host, and people drop in all the time just to dance to the radio or my stream if I leave it running.

I think that if I run Savoy with my ego, it tells me bigger is better and I need more traffic...always more. But pushing that aside, I don't want 50 people there all the time, or even at our live events, DJ or performer. We do get 30-50 at times for a live performer, and we had 50 the other night for a benefit, but there is a reason I don't go to Phat Cat's or Frank's or Bogart's or Sweetheart's....well, other than the music is too bland for my tastes. The traffic makes things oppressive there, and to me it is counterproductive. While traffic is good, I want the experience to be positive for everyone that visits. What has happened at Savoy is that we fill a musical niche in that our music brings a very loyal following of people who want to hear this music and can't get it anywhere else. So while we'll never get 40 people at every event, we do get 10-25 at most, and we have a lot of fun together. And we can actually move around and chat without oppressive lag.

No, the one I worked at didn't, but in my search to find a similar club, I did find one with a plane inside. No one was there the night I went and a month or so later I tp'd back and it was gone.

I agree, Ceka...I love clubs with some character.

That would be awesome...and Bay City is just made for themed clubs! I'd definitely come!

Ooooo....now there's a scary thought!!! Kinda funny though too (not that the club is like that now...just the idea of a dance set up in the middle of a Walmart.)

Is this what those green "VOTE" boxes I see everywhere are for? And if Lindens have stopped the awards, are they even useful anymore for anything. Do they have any effect on search placement, ratings, etc. Reason I ask is that many clubs I go to ask patrons to "slap the vote box."

(Sorry for the totem posting...just catching up.)

i can check my logs for you if you like and get the slurl..
it should show up in the chat i think..i was just there like two nights ago..it's a fun place

EDIT: bleh i thought i was posting from the last page of the thread..i just now noticed the owner posted up..

I agree with most hosts/mangers being fairly useless anymore, unless they're also scanning for any rules being broken (say in a no weapons club) and IMing the person.

Back to the club I worked at, which was my first club experience and I got really spoiled with how successful clubs can be run because it was so wonderful...the managers - male or female were responsible for the following:

*Posting the event
*Greeting each person who entered, but in character for the venue and not a canned greeting (The regulars were so friendly that when a new person entered they usually got a LOT of greetings; the Cigar Girls and Bartenders also greeted.)
*Subtly checked for weapons and discreetly asked anyone with them to please remove them
*And I think this was one that brought at least a lot of single ladies in - dancing with any unescorted guests

My former partner was a manager in this club (which is where we met) and he literally had a "dance card" full of women wanting to dance with him on any given night. He was great in IM chatting with his partner and making her feel special, then thanking her publicaly for the dance afterwards.

So I was unprepared and disappointed to see what most managers do...or don't do. I was in one well-known club awhile back and there were about 5 men with "Manager" tags who just stood in a group all night and didn't say anything. Hmmmmm....manager bots?

Oh, ETA: NEVER did this club ask the patrons to tip the managers...EVER. Ditto the venue. Once an hour *maybe* the manager on duty would say something like, "Your Cigar Girls (or Bartenders) are here to serve you drinks, bring a cigar or cigarette...just let them know." And we would walk through the club and ask individual patrons how they were doing, etc. Again, never were tips openly asked for...but most people did tip the Cig Girls/bartenders. Afaik, the managers were never tipped...at least my partner wasn't. But it was the type of club that those of us who worked there enjoyed so much, we'd return on our nights off to dance. As a Cigar Girl, I was paid $300L/3 hour shift plus tips which at the time I thought was GREAT! Later I also was put in charge of doing the scheduling and was paid an additional 200L/week for that.

It's sad that a lot of really good places are gone or have changed to something that is nothing like how they started..i used to love clubbing all the time..
After i would spend sometimes 7 hours dancing for the club i worked for i would go out to another club just to relax hahahahah
that or a nude beach with some other dancers..we would get a beach towel in the middle of everyone and just start playing erotic sound waves until someone would say something in chat..hey stop that you are turning me on!!

then i would say something like..ya whoever it is quit it..sooner or later someone would IM one of us..i know it's you lol

you could have fun back then it seems..now everyone is so touchy

Oh, I'd forgotten The Blarney Stone (thanks Crighton). Generally playing Irish music, but very authentic Irish pub and it seems like a good place for conversation. I saw more people sitting at the bar and talking when I was there, but the events are geared toward European time and I was there during US night. (/me makes note to return there)

Another place that is very friendly is Grizzy's. (I think that's all it's called but if you do an all search it should come up...also the first name of the owner.) It has a good group of regulars, themed nights, and DJs. They are welcoming to new people as well. (/makes note to return there too)

i remember the Blarney stone.i found it on a search when i was looking for things for our bar at Timeless club and forest when we were making it..

It was such a real feeling of a pub..all the way down to the taps..some places just make you want to sit there and look around for awhile.that one did it to me..it was so neat..

In my limited experience, Ive had good luck with live performances at clubs.

I attend a lot of live music performances, and at the two clubs I favor (Guthries Folk Club and The Leonard Cohen Club) I have yet to see a bot. Also no 'sploders, contests, hosts / hostesses , dancers. Just the musician and the venue for tip jars, and a welcoming atmosphere

There is sometimes more chat spam then I like, but that seems to be mostly from people who think it "cool". The only thing that I find difficult is that both tend to have performances in the SL morning or afternoon, although Guthries is putting in more SL evening slots. Since the Leonard Cohen Club is run and frequented by Europeans, usually only the time slots on the weekends work for me.

I was curious to see this place having seen it mentioned in two different threads. Headed over last night with a date. Read all the rules. There is one store for more attractive female clothing that is at the landing point and can be entered without going into the "appropriate dress required" areas. We donned the free clothing, then went inside the one clothing store we could access. When I saw what they considered appropriate 1920's attire, I changed into a dress that is a vintage '40's but complied with their code.

Once we got into the sim itself there were a number of clothing stores and at least one hair store. The dresses in those stores, imo, were overpriced based on being able to get the same type of dresses at most vintage shops for less, but the dresses *were* nice. Again, I realized I had several outfits that would meet standards packed away in storage. (I've always loved vintage clothing so have a lot in many different time periods.)

For the majority of our time there, we were the only people. From the note card info, there is a "Happy Hour" daily at 2 pm SLT, so I figure it is busier during European time.

Found the dance hall, but was a bit disappointed there was no music stream playing, or else it was broken, but a nice Intan system.

The entire build was done extremely well, including narrow alleys and interesting poses scattered about. I can see why they want visitors to comply with the ambiance. I saw a "Medieval Faire" listed in events awhile back with contests for best Medieval attire. I arrived to discover that not only was I the only one in appropriate attire but that this group apparently had no idea about the Medieval era. The majority of people were wearing the typical SL short skirts, heavily tatooed men with no shirts and some genre of hard rock/metal/whatever music playing. The only remnant of "Medieval" was an automated greeter when I arrived saying, "Our Queen welcomes you to the Faire." Bah!

Anyway...I'll be very interested in returning to 1920 Berlin during European hours. I enjoyed the visit and thank whoever mentioned it.