SL population called "misleading", says CNET

Where can I find those MySpace stats?

Well we're really off-topic on an already off-topic subject... so my last post.

In general statistics come from a) financial statements, in this case you can go to newscorp.com and download them; b) your own analysis, if you so incline since the raw accounts are all available; c) purchase them from a third party, such as Nielsen or comScore.

If all you want are the "headline" numbers then the third parties usually publish them monthly. For example the 100m account number came from NewsCorp's 2006 annual report, while at the same time Nielsen says MySpace has 45.7m unique visitors and 23 billion pageviews for the month. So that gives you a feel of their level of traffic.

I guess though the moral of the story is: LL should provide better visibility into raw account data, so it could be verified by anyone.

-peekay

Except that would enable people to find out the truth for themselves about the artificially inflated 'signup' figures.

As a general rule, truth - especially in situations like this - makes for bad business.

Broccoli

I think that more people would stay if the initial preference settings were set so that they support the people that have problems with lag. Or SL could offer minimal, average, and high settings with recommendation that people try first the minimal settings. Also there could be some kind of measuring tool in SL which would recommend for newbies the minimal settings if the measuring tool notices that SL is going to lag.

Also I found it really annoying that I saw text which said "You have received a notecard about making money" when some one other got the notecard. I thought every time that I was given a notecard and it was pretty much disturbing, because I wasted lots of time searching my inventory in vain. So SL could be even more newbie friendly than it is now. And then there is the famous red arrow that drives people crazy. I even did not know in the beginning what the red arrow was. I just clicked the arrow and it vanished.

And, by the way, SL could give newbies a bundle of landmarks to awesome places in SL mainland and islands. LL could tax like L$25 a week from the lucky land owners who are judged by LL to be eligible newbie sightseeing place owners. For example I did not know where to go in the first days. There was so many choices, and I was not familiar with the search function. And still I get many newbies asking where to go next. Of course people can tell them places, and newbies could use search, but still it would be nice to end up into some certainly pretty place.

They took away our discussion forum. I say discuss until they close the thread. Did you used to remind the teacher that she forgot to collect the homework?

Is that the same as referenced in my question in this thread??

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The plot thickens

Peace

He was making a comparison between a public firm with audited and carefully watched financials and a private firm that can say whatever it wants. There's no need to be snide - and the MySpace records are accessible but I won't do your homework for you.

is the number showing the current connections. Some portion of those are camping bots, but probably not more than a few hundred at most. The rest are actual people. And just now when I looked, there were 20,000 people connected, which is the most I've ever seen.

The real problem is that the population is now growing exponentially. It's frankly amazing that the grid is scaling well enough to handle all this - just ten weeks ago the peak number was around half that number, and it had taken six months to reach 5,000 online at once from the previous milestone.

So each doubling of the currently connected population appears to be taking about half the time to achieve as the previous doubling. At the current rate, assuming it keeps expanding in this way, we'll have three million accounts by the end of January, with probably 30,000 people online at one time as a matter of course.

Have the Lindens properly prepared? Can the grid take it? Will Scotty's warp engines overheat?

Stay tuned, true believers, for the next exciting installment!

Highest number I've seen so far is 21,468. Wouldn't be surprised if that passed 22,000 before I saw that.

So, concurrency is definitely increasing. There was a time, rather recently, when 8000 was impressive.

Does it compare to WoW? No, but it also doesnt have the level treadmill / addiction factors going on.

It's a different thing. And needs to be categorized differently. Will it be the 'next internet'? I think that's the wrong focus. What made the internet (especially the web) ubiquitous was its simplicity and thin-client nature.

SL is definitely not that.

Could it become the next big app though? The next MySpace, YouTube, ICQ, AIM, Skype, whatever?

If they play their cards right, yes probably.

I wasn't being snide, Malachi, but you are. Feel free to go search News Corp's annual report for "myspace accounts" and you won't get any hits. The only mention I could find was in the CEO's letter which states "120 plus million users." How do you suppose they define "user." Do you think it's any more meaningful than LL's "resident" count? No, it's not. Hence my point.

The problem I see is that SL does go out of it's way to keep things cloudy and unclear to the public at large. We've heard statements made and a vision that haven't turned out to be kosher or true. My problem with SL is their ethics. It would be nice to be told the truth, perform actions according to their words, and have a platform where I'm not performing quality control for them.

Some studies have shown that social networking games are much more addictive to games with leveling.

It's not only an outlet for communication, but there's no 'end' to it. Whereas many people hit level cap and will quit the game til an expansion comes out, come play, level and leave again.

Maybe chip we should be saying that about our own user base. Frankly how many signup WITH Payment accounts ONLINE for only 30days pick money trees and then cancel. Then remake a new account with the same account. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Chip they really need to do some changes to accounts soon. Just because they have payment information online. Does not mean they are a fresh account. Maybe its time to get rid of money tree. They are now outdated an are totally abused. And are adding to the mounting problems of to te issue.( along with money chairs )As for the Cnet report, well older users know the real truth how the numbers are. Its LLabs ship if they want to sink it its their own to do so with.

And NO non payments online DON`T Buy money. I like to see the status in raw numbers on this one.

I couldn't find anything either except total users. Nothing on average users per hour, how many users actully log in every 30, 60 days. I log onto myspace and sl pretty much every day. I spend about 20 minutes on myspace, and about 4 hours on sl. I would think the time usage factor should play a part in the measuring metrics.

With regard to the Myspace vs SL comparisons, I think that there is huge greasy ball of hype surrounding both "services". My perception is that neither can claim the moral high ground in this regard.

After reading the article my main thought was "And your point is ?" Really it tells me nothing new. Yes we know signups are not a good measure of eyeballs on screen time, which presumably is what the advertisers and companies pushing product are interested in.

And finally (again from my own perspective), I have to say the whole MySpace thing leaves me cold. It's chock full of unattractive RL people . At least in SL I can look at attractive virtual ones. For that reason alone SL is a winner.

Don't be a halfwit!! Some of us have real lives outside of SL and may not log in for 60 days at a time. I have just returned after a two month absence myself. However, I login daily now and did before my absence. Really, it is time to just carry on as we are. We lose nothing by LL cooking the books to appeal to advertisers and investors.

SL is like internet so that all the people can use the same services. Like all the people use Google's search service, so Google has to scale up really much. SL will have to scale too, but there will be limits for example how many people can be at any one sim at the same time, because the SL client software on player's machine cannot handle too many players at once.

So while SL spreads, people create new sims and new content. The most popular places cannot support like thousands simultaneous people, but if SL becomes 3d internet, there certainly will be extremely popular places. So how SL will handle those popular places? Will the land owners have to buy more land and replicate their service so that half of the people will go to island1 and others to island2 in order to have the same service? Will land owners have teleporters that peek how much more people can be teleported to each island, and if the first island is full, customers are teleported to island2 or 3 or 4?

In real life there are these huge mega super malls that they build near big cities. There can be hundreds or thousands of people in those big malls. If one person wants to buy just milk, then he can go to a small shop. But the mega super mall has all kinds of stuff for sale for hoards of customers. Or should those mall owners just use for example SLExchange database.

I think people have gotten off the main subject of this post, one which I feel is very important. The numbers ARE screwed up. And yes, I notice that the amount of people that are logged in have doubled recently too. But how many of these people are really logged in and doing any good in world? I know it's not the full 20,000 people that they claim are logged in. I know of a sim that has around 32 people in it FULL time and when it comes down to it only about 5 of those people are there really sitting at there computer doing anything. The rest are campers taking up space or alts faking traffic for someone. Now why would this pose a problem for anyone? It would for all people like me, land owners and business owners. I happen to own a great deal of this sim. It fills up and locks people out when it reaches 40 av's. That means that these people that are logged in world and just sitting there are taking up my space. I pay a lot per month to own land and run a business in sl. These people aren't buying from me or anyone else and chances are they are just sucking money from the stupid people that put these campers on their land for what ever reason.
LL needs to do something about this type of av logged in. They just bog down SL and take up precious space from the rest of us.

So the conclusion is that while the amount of free players scale to real millions, also the amount of camping chairs and money trees should scale up - or all malls and clubs would be all the time full of campers waiting their turn to camp. I can imagine huge flocks of campers and alts traveling from one mall to the next just to see if there was any space for camping.

I am sorry to say but this is not a forum for general discussion. Since we do not have a forum for general discussion, this thread will be locked.