I wanna Fight & be Bad!

What about watching fictional violence in a movie or on TV?
That's entertainment.
Are the actors depraved monsters? The writers? The special-effects people, etc?

RPing violence in SL is like writing a story or creating a movie.

I strongly disagree.

The immersive involvement in a 3-D world, including the representation of self or alter ego by way of an avatar, makes the action vastly different to that experienced merely as voyeur?

Maybe you watch a movie and mentally project yourself into the situation but you have no control over it. Not so in SL, you become part of the action and your input effects the experience of all the participants.

That to me is a big difference.

Rime

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Ok... how about reading a very well written mystery or horror story? I find reading much more immersive then television.


I can find a wide variety in SL. I can find places that are all about light and spirituality. I can find earthiness, family and friendship, or I can delve into darker things. Sometimes I need each of those things. It is up to me to decide what I want to explore, experience or confront. It is very easy to leave any one of those places when it gets too much for me, and believe me either of the extremes light or dark can get too much.

I think the important things to remember are personal responsibility; and the fact that just because you don't see a value in something, doesn't mean there is not a value.

On a slightly related.. but not exactly related note.. I always thought the makers of the movie Labyrinth really missed something in thier ending. I long ago rewrote it in my head. For those of you who have seen it... at the end when all Sarah's friends from the Labyrinth are saying, "should you ever need us.." The Goblin King should be at the window and it should end with him saying, "should you ever need me."

I need my fantasies of all shades and colors.

QFT

Nor is role playing like being an "actor." Actors "role play" to produce an effect for a distanced audience. Role players act for themselves and other role players.

Please tell me you were being ironic when you wrote this?

I have been. And Hard Alley, and a few other dark sims. The really brutal stuff isn't as out-in-the-open as you might expect, but it's certainly there.

Whimsy, I totally get that there are lots of reasons why people role play dark themes, including extreme violence, rape, etc. And I can hold my nose and reluctantly concede that, when undertaken privately, this is ok.

But it's statements like this that really really really disturb me, because there isn't even the pretense of making a distinction between fantasy and reality:


Do you not see how this is worrisome?

I think he was expressing his distaste with the use of sarcasm. He was putting it in the worse possible light to make it shocking and distressing. At least that is the way I read it. I don't think Dirtymucker has actually come out and said point blank but they gave a clue with the statement, "It is really not my scene"

Actors don't just recite the script in a convincing tone while they put their bodies through the sequence of actions dictated by the directors.
Even in amateur dramatics, I have to get myself into being the character. Others in the scene do likewise. The outcome is a unique hybrid of script, director, actors. The overall story has to be the same, but all the colour comes from the individuals putting themselves into it.

Forget the actors, what about the other people I mentioned in my post?



RP is collaborative writing.
Does not any decent fiction writer become immersed in their characters?

Your actors might get a pardon from you because they were 'only following orders'. What about the people who gave them the orders?

I hope you are right. If you are, Dirty has my wholehearted apologies.

No need to apologize at all, I have an awfull way of saying things that wins me few friends, well none tbh. I unfortunately discovered SL many years ago and thus I see it for what it truly is (my opinion only of course, albeit the right one). There are three types of people in SL
1. Those in it to make money
2. Those whose RL is so lacking that they choose to live in a cyber fantasy
3. Those who stumble accross it, try it, get addicted to it and gradually allow it to ruin their RL's.

Now before you crucify me the above is not meant to be nasty, they are fact. Just because few are honnest enough to admit it they are still fact. There are a few exceptions of course, possibly most who reside on these forums for instance. The real sad addicted core SLers have little time for forums, their facebook and twitter pages are left unattended as they spend every precious second inworld, neglecting their RL families and friends for all their SL buddies who like them have a 2 year old pic of themselves in their first life box and a crappy qoute by that Waldo guy.
This is why I speak of SL with such sarcasm and distaste.

Which type are you?

Pep (I'm apparently the fourth typo.)

Probably the 3rd kind who got out just in time.