ok so u have a "free" casino, but to use the machines you have to put in special prims instead of L$, but to get these "special prims" you have to buy them, eg L$5 a peice then play with those, you either win/lose depending on the game, then if you win you can give these "special prims" to someone in exchange for some lindens
I'm sure the idea has been concocted allready somewhere, if not then u cannot get in trouble for it as you are only selling/buying prims, then its up to you what you do with said prims.
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11-12-2007 20:50
You can't barter with anything that has value. Prims that can be redeemed for L$ have value so you'd still be violating the gambling ban.
Gambling is banned, looking for loopholes is pointless because LL keeps the rules fluid precisely because they know people will try to lean as far over the line as they think they can get away with. All the sneaky attempts at evading the rules are why we can never get a straight policy answer out of LL, there's just hordes of people waiting to take advantage  . |
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Desmond Shang
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11-12-2007 20:54
I'd strongly recommend to everyone to not even remotely consider 'getting around' the gambling prohibition.
Let's suppose anyone succeeds even partially. Well, there goes usage of Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Paypal as payment mechanisms for grid services.  Doh!_____________________
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Chaos Bikcin
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11-12-2007 20:56
You can't barter with anything that has value. Prims that can be redeemed for L$ have value so you'd still be violating the gambling ban. Gambling is banned, looking for loopholes is pointless because LL keeps the rules fluid precisely because they know people will try to lean as far over the line as they think they can get away with. All the sneaky attempts at evading the rules are why we can never get a straight policy answer out of LL, there's just hordes of people waiting to take advantage .damn, they have 2 stick by UK law aswell and a service has to have 100% clear policy in order to run. They seem to think that the entire world runs by US law _____________________
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Qie Niangao
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11-12-2007 21:05
They seem to think that the entire world runs by US law The way around the gambling ban is for SL to rely exclusively on a global network of corner bookies that sell tier, membership, and Lindens--only for cash. That would work. |
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Colette Meiji
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11-12-2007 21:08
damn, they have 2 stick by UK law aswell and a service has to have 100% clear policy in order to run. They seem to think that the entire world runs by US law Not the entire world. Just the part of the world LL is in. Can you start a website where you live offering something illegal for your neighbors to do? But its cool because you have customers that aren't where you live? |
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11-12-2007 23:00
damn, they have 2 stick by UK law aswell and a service has to have 100% clear policy in order to run. They seem to think that the entire world runs by US law GFD. Not this drivel again. It's a legal necessity, end of story. There may be ways to comply by the letter, but LL is a capricious lot. _____________________
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Chas Connolly
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11-13-2007 00:53
Selling prims for cash is exactly that same as selling gambling chips for cash. Doesn't even remotely get around the gambling ban.
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Clarrice Cinquetti
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11-13-2007 02:01
Selling prims for cash is exactly that same as selling gambling chips for cash. Doesn't even remotely get around the gambling ban. And announcing it on the forums is hardly very sneaky Kinda like an Escort selling her prim bits for cash isn't it? hahaha Oh wait that's just rent...and the house always wins...  |
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Wulfric Chevalier
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11-13-2007 02:16
damn, they have 2 stick by UK law aswell and a service has to have 100% clear policy in order to run. They seem to think that the entire world runs by US law How does the gambling ban violate UK law? In any case it's not gambling in SL that breaks US law, it's US credit card companies paying money to gambling sites that is unlawful, and LL can't risk losing business paid for by US credit cards. |
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11-13-2007 02:34
Selling prims for cash is exactly that same as selling gambling chips for cash. Doesn't even remotely get around the gambling ban. And announcing it on the forums is hardly very sneaky I dont understand, I sell prim objects in most all my clothing...how is that any different than if...oh god..i give up...... _____________________
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Haravikk Mistral
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11-13-2007 03:21
At best you could charge to play the game by buying your special prims, or points or whatever. But if you let people cash out then it's gambling, if you don't let people cash out then it's likely to be abuse reported as a scam (unless you're clear on it being for fun only).
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Chas Connolly
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11-13-2007 03:26
I dont understand, I sell prim objects in most all my clothing...how is that any different than if...oh god..i give up...... In a casino? |
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Ciaran Laval
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11-13-2007 04:11
No transfer items are what you should be looking at if you're trying to find sneaky ways around the gambling ban. However you're not going to get away with opening a casino that offers no transfer items as prizes, it's too blatant, but if you're looking for a prize giving game no transfer items as prizes is the way to go.
Gambling is going to be gone until such time as LL can provide a system where American credit card payments can't be used in the process or America changes the law. In the case of Americans not being able to play that's going to mean ID verified only avatars being able to play and then a professional company running the show, not you're average avatar. |
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Jessica Elytis
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11-13-2007 04:38
I'd strongly recommend to everyone to not even remotely consider 'getting around' the gambling prohibition. Let's suppose anyone succeeds even partially. Well, there goes usage of Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Paypal as payment mechanisms for grid services. Doh!Quoted to try to drive it into the thick, stoneheaded, peoples that can't seem to get it. LL did not ban gambling due to US or UK law. They banned it due to the CREDIT COMPANIES. If gambling exisits in SL, then the credit companies cut payments to LL. This is due to all the legal red tape they'd have to go through to be part of gambling sites. They don't want to, so THE RULES OF THE CREDIT COMPANIES are that any company hosting any form of gambling can have their payments severed with that credit company. Get it yet? Gamble in SL and the credit companies pull out (and yes, that includes PayPal). Then you can't pay, or be paid, through SL. ~Jessy _____________________
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Alyx Sands
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11-13-2007 05:16
I still don't understand what's so great about bloody gambling anyway.
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Brenda Connolly
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11-13-2007 05:17
Somebody may want to let the OP know that even if he had a successful way to circumvent the TOS, CC, and whatever other rules that LL has thrown at us, that posting it here for all to see may not be a good idea.
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11-13-2007 05:27
quoted for truth
Somebody may want to let the OP know that even if he had a successful way to circumvent the TOS, CC, and whatever other rules that LL has thrown at us, that posting it here for all to see may not be a good idea. I'f I'm going to go to a casio, I'd be doing it for fun in sl... there's laws regarding return vs input in RL, and ways to ensure that the house isn't stacking the deck charity gambles are a good one, pay a small fee, get some chips, redeem winnings for prizes when it's done... prizes are generally donated by merchants supporting the event, chip sales drive the charity portion, and the rest is just to attract people to have a good time. that system btw IS valid under TOS _____________________
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11-13-2007 07:39
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Malachi Petunia
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11-13-2007 08:12
I still don't understand what's so great about bloody gambling anyway. |
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Okiphia Rayna
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11-13-2007 09:12
Umm, it is slightly more fun than setting the money on fire??? I rather like the flames.. pretty.. no satisfaction like that with gambling. .you just get cards or watch numbers/shapes spin around for a short bit.. then it just.. goes away=( I use my money on better things! Like..umm...the 20 outfits I'll never wear >.> _____________________
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Okiphia Rayna
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11-13-2007 09:13
So was he banned? Seems to not show it anymore if so.... How long? =P _____________________
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11-13-2007 09:25
I dont understand, I sell prim objects in most all my clothing...how is that any different than if...oh god..i give up...... OMG you are selling prims for cash!!!! Casino owner!!! Casino owner!!! _____________________
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11-13-2007 09:27
OK - I'm going to give a definitive answer on how to get around the gambling ban. This works especially well for people in the UK where US laws don't apply, but if you promise not to tell anyone you heard it from me, I'll tell you that it works fine in the US if you use a Visa "Gift Card" instead of a regular credit card.
Turn SL off. Don't even have it open. Go to any number of professionally run gaming sites. If you like poker, I recommend BoDog, PokerStars, Full Tilt, Ultimate and Absolute. There are plenty of other sites that have gaming other than poker. Do some research on the site first. Once you pick one you like, sign up through an affiliate so you maximize your initial sign up bonus. Then deposit money to the site and gamble away. You will have a safer, more regulated game, the site will run better, there won't be reliance on some questionable script, and honestly, I think you'll have a much better time. LL won't be able to do anything to you because you will be using a platform other than SL. Taaaa Daaaaa! You are now able to circumvent the SL gambling ban just by gambling elsewhere. _____________________
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Okiphia Rayna
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11-13-2007 09:32
I dont understand, I sell prim objects in most all my clothing...how is that any different than if...oh god..i give up...... You arent selling them with the 'chance' of that prim count suddenly going up or down, with a weighted chance most likely to the down side, then exchanging them for L$ once the person finally gives up.. selling prims is OK.. selling a chance of something either good or possibly very bad is not.. at least if the good and bad things involve gain or loss of L$ _____________________
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