Prim feet

SL feet are the absolute ugliest thing, and frankly I don't know how anyone could go around SL without something covering their noobie paddle feet and not feel embarrassed about it. No skin from any maker can hide the badly detailed mesh and UV map problems on the foot.. so unless you cover them with something, your SL feet do not look good at all. Almost point and laugh material...
I don't own any prim feet, though I do have a pair of shoes that has toes. I just don't go barefoot. If I needed to then I would buy some properly detailed feet for the occasion.

I would not say this... I make shoes, made shoes before prim toes came about
now I make shoes with prim toes and shoes with prim toes and with feet

and the toed/feet shoes sell better than the others, it is what people want

As for why, because (for me) they look better, especially in photos

with mine, the matching of the skin tone is easy (RGB values) and the ao that is in the shoes only acts on the ankles keeping the shoes where they belong, and doesn't mess with other ao's plus there is a shoe without it, so you have a choice
I also have flipflops with toes, so it is not always the high high heels that folks want

SL feet and especially toes are fugly, majorly fugly, so.. people like the prim versions (or they just wear boots and never show the feet LOL)

not all prim toe/feet shoes are expensive (nor are all super cheap either LOL)

If the shoe looks like crap before prim toes are added, then it will look like crap after prim toes are added

Prim toes and feet are not the fix all for shoes LOL

now if you had said that the folks who buy the premade kits and do nothing to them other than add some color and put them out for sale, can't make shoes, then I might agree

but there are those of us who take the time to change them up, add our own personal touches, add user friendly options (such as an easy way to tint the feet/toes) AND those of us who make them fully mod/copy so if you want the shoe but not the toes and/or feet then you can remove them.

Not everyone who uses kits, or uses prim toes/feet are horrid or bad shoe builders

they don't even need to be sculpts...

as for matching colors... it's easy and it isn't... and that's all on LL and the fact that skin/clothing layers aren't lit the same way that prims are...but RGB color matching by hand is not hard (or at least it doesn't need to be)... though the lighting difference may show up in some circumstances.

as for included AO's.... talk to the creator... mostly pointless IMHO

you ever see how badly they separate when they do not have the "AO" in them?

I use the term AO loosely, as it is not really a full AO, but rather an ankle locker (and for me at least, I always use my hud version of it, mine is called a boot fixer, but works awesomely on the prim feet/toe shoes)

depends a lot on where you link to
(and a script that replays your ankle lock animation to keep it on top hardly counts as an ao, and doesn't need to be fancy)

I have Rha's Boot Fixer and to me that is the one cannot live with out thing right u there with walking ao and flight feather.
I did go by SLink last night looking to see their full feet but i did not find them and couldnt deal with the hunting about for them- Rha if I understood u, u have feet alone also? Your store is much more manageable for finiding what one is looking for with out having to hunt thru a million things so I will pop over and see ur offering re feets and tootsies

SLink's bare feet are toward the front mixed in with the prim shoes. The feet have ankle bracelets or flowers to hide the ankle seam.

Thanks I will give them another chance then.

I finally gave up on that problem. I still wear prim toes on my sandals, and I got the colors acceptable under most lighting, but some times of "day" from some angles, they look pretty sad. At one point I considered figuring out the sun angle and tinting accordingly, but because viewers can be set to any Windlight settings, I abandoned that path.

With sandals (or open-toed shoes, I suppose), it's a manageable amount of fiddling to get sculpty toes to "fit" the avatar foot acceptably (by my standards, at least). But to go really barefoot, I just never found a workable "shoe" setting such that the toes looked sensible on the avatar foot. After we get alpha-masked avatars, maybe a dithered alpha gradient at the calf could blend to prim feet... but till then, yeah: can't bring myself to attach invisiprims with all the wackiness that would bring everywhere I step.

SL feet are simply butt ugly. Requiring feet size 0 to wear normal size shoes makes it even worse, and this is not a shortage on the side of the shoe creators, it's a shortage on the side of the avatar mesh.
With a good skin, SL feet can be made to look *somewhat* better, but it's still very far from good.

So what people do to hide these ugly SL feet, is wear SHOES. This is all nice and everything, but on a beach, people don't wear pumps or armyboots. Well, some do, but they definitely take em off when they go for a swim, which means ARGHHHH! ugly feet! Even when not swimming, people would probably prefer to wear flipflops on the beach instead of aforementioned pumps & armyboots, but flipflops too mean ugly feet.

So, some brilliant people thaught up that replacing the feet with well designed prim feet would make things look more natural and pleasing to the eye, so that's why we have those things.

And to be honest, in RL it's not just beaches. I know plenty people who go barefoot at home or on the street. There are probably even people who go barefoot at work, lol. I doubt that would be many, but I definitely see the possibility of some people doing so. So I don't see any reason not to go barefoot in SL either.

No,no,no they may look like decent shoes to start with, they will look loke crap after you add the toes

No! This is a short sightedness,or laziness on the shoe creators part and not the meshes fault in RL shoes generally come in sizes 4½ or 5 to 11 or 12 (womens USA sizes)why is there mainly one size in SL? and you don't need 10 sizes either maybe 5 (0-1).(2-3),(4-5) etc,etc

Yes the Avie mesh does need lots of love no question about it and not just for the feet,the whole Avie mesh needs a ReDo.but even if that did happen if the content creators only make one size your still back at the same problem.

Well I rarely wear shoes anymore. I'm Gorean and I'm usually wearing silks most of the time and barefoot. I had no problem matching up the coloring on the SLink feet with several skins. Once in a while the lighting is bad but most of the time it blends well. And I usually have ankle cuffs on that cover the ankle seams.

I've sent many people to SLink for the barefeet & everyone has trouble finding them. It would help if the owner placed those feet front & center.

The SL avatar mesh has a number of other problems as well. The butt crack, for example. Paws and tails and the like help, but damn I feel sorry for humans.

exactly why I used the term AO loosely LOL

and yeah, I like my shoes linked to my feet, thus leaving a space to link anklets too if I want to.. *shrug*

The nice thing about SL is we are all different and we all like different things, it would be very boring if we all liked things the same, looked the same, and acted the same... yuck

Arma sorry hon, I do not have just the feet, I have shoes with feet and toes, and shoes with toes, and just shoes, but no just feet (I do not make my own sculpts, I suck at it, so I purchase the kits, thus giving back to the community, and then make shoes etc from the sculpts, but add to them, custom texture them, and script them, I few sculpt kits as just another tool to work with)
But, because I do not make my own, I would not feel comfortable selling just the feet (not much one can do to change up feet, unlike shoes, which can be textured, things added, etc)

therein lies the differences among us
I like prim toes, and prim feet... so I do not think they ugly up shoes, If a shoe is ugly it stays ugly, toes do not make a shoe ugly (not to me anyway)

Gotcha- I suck at sculpts too oh well- thankfully there are genuises out there that do some kick butt sculpts

yep there are
(then there are the ones like me, that make things when they tried sculpts that looked like something from a kindergarten student) LOL

I am thankful that sculpty artists are willing to sell their work so that I (as in general I) can use it in my own creations.

(can you imagine if we could not even make basic building blocks, and had to create them like we do sculpts) ohhh building would suck! LOL

It's for my alt, Hera, I want the feets for- as her i am usually barefoot and also wear cuffs so the seam wont be a problem

this-
Crap is crap and good work is good work- silk purse and sows ears - no amount of adding stuff will fix basically bad- ur shoes "stand" alone with out the toes but it is nice to have a toe option

First of all: most avatars are of roughly similar size, so 1 size isn't that bad a thing. Foot size is proportionate to the length of your body, in case you didn't know. There is some margin, but the two are related in real life as well.

Not to mention that most shoes are either mod-able or come with a resize script anyway.
Second: try making a prim shoe of a size which is proportional to your avatar, without *ever* wearing it during the creation process. Once finished, wear the shoe. It will be rather obvious where the invisible prims come into play. Especially for feet that are not sized 0.
Third: try to make a prim shoe with a stiletto heel for your avatar. You basically *need* to make some high heeled clothes layer shoes to do that if you want your normal AO animations to stay working. But on top of that, these clothes layer shoes stretch the mesh on your avatar in such a way, that you *have* to find some way to "hide" the part in front of your heel to allow a prim to give it the "stiletto look". So that's where the invisible prims again come into play.

It's not that long ago that man-shapes came with whatever footsize the randomizer set to it. And because of that, shoes had to be the size of an aircraft carrier to accomodate the foot, making divers' flippers the only shoes that looked in any way realistic.

But, if you so believe it's just lazyness on the creators' part: open your own shoe store with all these different sizes. I'm sure there's some avatars in 3+ year old shapes around who would appreciate you making shoes for them, lol.

not sure why you would consider it lazy to make a shoe to fit a size 0 foot (the most common foot size out there) is it the fault of the shoe maker or the shape maker?

Either way it is not lazy, because they are still making the shoe or the shape...
If it were laziness, wouldn't the shoe maker just not make the shoe? Same amount of work goes into making it size 0 or size 10, etc.

The difference is being able to realistically carry all the sizes needed to fit size 0 to 100 foot size give or take.
(yes I know people do not use size 100 foot LOL)

why would a shoe maker make a shoe to fit a larger than size 0 foot, THEN have it so that it can not be sized down to a size 0 foot (due to some pieces being minimum size prims already)? If anything I think the size 0 shoe is perfect, it can be sized up.