Spicy Chick estates (help)

And you did'nt sit there a while back hitting refresh to take advantage of mistakes?.


I know you did.

Yes the current warning doesn't let people know that bots will appear and buy cheap land before the person standing there that you mean to sell it to can buy it.

"Bots" are the new scapegoat.

Don't forget that humans were there first.

I have always looked at it this way. It is very easy to say that the seller should have done a little bit of research before attempting something as critical as selling land. Also LL did step up and add a couple of more layers of safety to the process. But............................................. This still happens again and again and again. It should be a clear cut case. Seller files an abuse report saying they made a mistake and the land was swooped up for $L1 and that the buyer was trying to resell it to them for a large sum of money. LL takes just 1 minute to investigate and see that the land was bought for only $L1 and returns the land. Nothing complicated about it. Then they could even go the extra mile and if a land scammer has done this 3 times both the bot and the group which owns the bots account are permanently banned.

It is easy enough to program a bot to ignore $L1 sales for buyers with scruples. It wouldn't take up an inordinate amount of time for a Linden. How often does it happen, maybe once a week? Even if it happened 10 times a week it would still take up a miniscule amount of Linden time and generate a great deal of PR.

Agreed it is easy to program a "Bot" to behave almost any imaginable SLway . But this problem has been around before "Bots" were concieved.

QFT

This is the most reprehensible practice in sl real estate... There are honest people who will give the land back... but there are many scumbags that take advantage of people's mistakes.

I am not sure if there is much you can do about it. It hard to make things 100% error-proof.. Just make things public and make sure that people know who these scumbags are is a good step.

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Is against the ToS/CS

Oh please ( Begs LL ) Let me name names.

You can name names in SLU.. or other third party sites.

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Make sure you put on your robe and wizard hat first.

can my hat have the logo"I STEAL LAND"?.

Edit .. " I STOLE LAND BUT I'M INNOCENT NOW BOTS ARE AROUND"

But buying land for L$1 and selling it for more doesn't necesarily prove any kind of scam. In fact if it is set to sell for L$1 to anybody then anybody is perfectly within their rights to buy it. It would be simpler for LL to make it easier to sell - or even give - the land to a certain person and harder to set it for sale to "anyone".

yea its amazing the 3rd party programs for this.

there are some 3rd party programs all text based similar to sleek but their sole purpose is it keeps a constant update of all prices and you just configure it with a min/max limit etc and some other checkboxes and let it go, and since it uses neary any memory/cpu it can run nonsstop auto buying/selling etc.

kinda sucks for legit users

What if one were--hypothetically speaking--to create a land pricing bot that stood on a plot of land and would switch the price of that land from 1L$ to 100,000L$ as fast as possible? I wonder how many landbots would get caught spending 100,000L$ for the 1L$ piece of land they saw in Search/Land Sales.

I don't have the programming skills needed to create such a bot. But it might be amusing for someone to try it...

I can't help but do my part in rubbing some more salt in the ... womb.

I consider this problem has been solved YEARS ago.
Before we only had a very simply window, tick "sell", enter price, i THINK there was also a block to set a specific buyer. The land was for sale the moment you ticked the box "set for sale"

After a loaaad of complains linden labs moved to this giant colored popup that force you to enter ALL informations before being allowed to hit the sale button.

How many layers of checks must be added before average joe stops being an idiot?
-Wait for 10 seconds before you can click okay?
-Refuse any sale to "anyone" under 100L$ ?
-Confirmation box?
-Confirmation of the confirmation box?
-have to type "Yes i have rread and understood the terms of the sale and agree to them in their entirety" in a textbox?
-unreadable capcha?


No matter what will be added some peoples will still make mistakes.

I have been victim of this ONCE, i wrote it off as my own damn stupidity and it never happened to me again.

LL's policy or Tos declares everyone is well intention or good. They wouldn't go back on that because they have to admit people are doing bad things.
Yet there is lot of players when they are new who make costly mistakes, which Linden Labs and those who take whatever they can with no concern about consequences benefits them.
Only time Linden Lab's is concerned about transactions is when it legally or financially effects them it seems.
I guess that why they are still in business and making money.
If only that worked for everyone.
Whenever someone gets a head it often seems to be so at cost of other
Yet we can learn from our mistakes, help others as much as possible not make same ones.

Might burn a botrunner a few times but right away they would just code a limit check into it.

Fun idea though

I agree with others who've said that unless you do some research (like reading message boards, rather than playing), a new player will have no idea that bots exist.

I think there will always be a problem until people are alerted in-game that bots exist that are programmed to instantly buy property that meets certain criteria. A lot of people, not used to computers, have an expectation of privacy that doesn't exist, because they either don't observe other people around, or think that their transactions will be lost in the "noise" of numerous other transactions going on at the same time.

The down-side to making sure it is well-known that bots are programmed to filter out the noise and look for only specific criteria is it will vastly increase the number of bots used for this purpose. There are a lot of people who try SL and abandon it immediately, uninterested when newbie island reveals to them that it's not the game they thought it was. Knowing about the bots might make them reconsider and try it, solely for the opportunity to cause grief.

The fact that they could gain lots of money from it, pure gravy.

Already got them, in three different colours too! Bare Rose is good like that.

I wouldn't expect Linden Lab to ever be so specifically forthcoming to new users about the risks of transacting anything at all in SL, beyond the "Buyer Beware" general caution. To do so is to instill a sense of distrust in the community upon new Residents, and to suggest that Linden Lab shares in that distrust. The general problem with the "education" approach is simply the fact that the vast majority of new Residents are captured by Linden Lab, at Orientation Islands, and then turned loose into the general population to get started on their Second Life. It's likely that most people won't even have learned about the existence of places like NCI and The Shelter, or even the forums here, until some time after they've already assimilated into the grid, and made (possibly costly) mistakes.

I would still like to see some sort of escrow system built into land sales, if such a thing is programmatically possible. (I'd bet it is, but not trivial) A system where either party can roll back the transaction within a set period of time, for any reason. This should be a relatively short duration, just enough time for each party to be certain they've done what they intended to do. It should also offer the ability to waive the escrow period, and "close now" with the consent of both parties.

Such an escrow system would impose honesty on anyone buying or selling land, without the need to educate new Residents about the existence of unscrupulous land ninja bots and their operators. The more honest operators would need to code this functionality into their bots, and although that would be an inconvenience, it would benefit them in the end, by eliminating the need to deal with unintended transactions.

Hi guys, We did get the land back, but the dipwad (Jossie pick) did charge us 11000 Lindens, She claimed buying our land costs her money. lol.....I asked her why did she use the bot then. and she got all offensive on me....Then after i got the land back i went all offensive on her......My friend has a masters degree in computers and got her IP address and she is in the USA.....We both sent complains to Linden labs...I heard last night that linden labs has a class action lawsuit regarding real estate bots.........

I really do think linden labs doesn't understand the legalities of what these people are doing...Its essentially theft..Not according to LL but it is....The real opportunity of second life won't be unlocked until LL really starts taking responsibility for some legalities.....If they think they can just ignore this kind of stuff.....This game won't be around for very long.....Either by force or people moving to other platforms.....

This mistake happens very often by people unacustomed to selling land and its almost ALWAYS 1 L$ (not 2 L$ or 10 or 100 etc)
The reason people choose 1 L$ over 0L$ is they think that the money system would make it safer.
The reason they choose 1 L$ over larger amounts is because its a token amount of money for transfering to their friend.

Since its almost always 1 L$, I dont know why there isnt a block to prevent selling land to everyone for 1 L$ just like there is for 0 L$

Blocks to prevent things that noone would ever want are better than warning dialogs.

JP I hope it was worth it to get the land back.
She ripped you off and she knows it. The most anyone would have paid for that land if it was 512 lot right now is 6000 to low end 2800.
She still would made a profit more then any other lot she bought.
I really hope that she has some type of conscious about what she did but probably not.

I forget the guy's name but someone did do this a year or so ago. Personally I lost about a million L$ if I remember correctly plus he nailed a few other bot runners to a greater or lesser degree. Live by the sword, die by the sword I guess.

The guy was banned a few months later but has since come back. Later on people worked out how to get normal human beings with the same trick. Wait until they open the buy panel, change the price, they click buy and they pay the newly changed price not the one they saw when they opened the screen.

Since then they've updated the protocol so that this sort of thing is impossible. There's probably plenty of other fun things you can do though.

Begun the bot wars have.