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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-12-2009 07:41
From: Lexxi Gynoid Should I emote back "Lexxi Gynoid stiffens as the strange man enters and then tries to lick her ear. Her sharp claws extend, gleaming in the soft light. Twists and springs toward the licker." on the off chance Large Ivan was talking to me? I can imagine an even more graphic and unambivalent way of responding . . . but then I don't have claws . . . From: Lexxi Gynoid (oh, and notice the difference between "licks your ears" with "tries to lick her ear"; "you", whoever that is, has been kept from dodging, responding, keeping that dirty disgusting tongue from her ear - which, of course, can happen if you startle someone, though that wasn't emoted; compared with "springs toward the licker" keeping options open, not emoting the other person's response). This is sort of like . . . what's the term, "godmoding" or something like that? Forcing an action on someone else through emoting? (/me thinks she should probably attend one of Lindal's classes one day.)
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11-12-2009 07:44
From: Rhonda Huntress Rhonda Huntress turns towards you as the cool night breeze blows her hair back from her face. "Good evening, Scylla. Welcome to my garden."
Ah, ok, I like this, because it creates a narrative.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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11-12-2009 07:48
Though, as a hostess at a club at an event, live music, or dj'd music without a specific event, most of the emoting is relatively basic. Actually I do not recall much in the way of emoting from hostess at clubs. More welcoming messages, and like (Hello Lexxi, welcome!). That and spamming howls and "Tip the Venue and Music artist/dj!" every 3 minutes.
Hostess' tend to be one of the first people I mute at venues.
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Dirtymuck Dagger
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11-12-2009 07:53
I shouldn't think a few spelling nistakes will really matter too much, guys like me who go to clubs to watch an avi pole dance are pretty sad and realise that the dancer is only emoting to get Lindens so I guess both parties have pretty low self esteem and grammar is not really an issue. Also most clubs post that they want experienced people but many especially the quieter ones will take anyone interested to make up numbers.
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Lindal Kidd
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11-12-2009 07:54
From: Lexxi Gynoid ...(oh, and notice the difference between "licks your ears" with "tries to lick her ear"; "you", whoever that is, has been kept from dodging, responding, keeping that dirty disgusting tongue from her ear - which, of course, can happen if you startle someone, though that wasn't emoted; compared with "springs toward the licker" keeping options open, not emoting the other person's response, etc.). Yes, this! It's OK (sometimes) to emote something that your avatar is obviously not doing, or not in a position to do. But you should always give the other person a chance to react to your emote. Never lock in their response.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-12-2009 07:59
From: Dirtymuck Dagger . . . guys like me who go to clubs to watch an avi pole dance are pretty sad and realise that the dancer is only emoting to get Lindens so I guess both parties have pretty low self esteem . . . Yikes, Dirty! Well, it certainly sounds as though YOU have a problem with self-esteem. I have all sorts of reservations about strip clubs, and those who patronize them, but I think you are making some pretty big assumptions about the reasons people dance or watch people dance. There are a great many reasons why people might do these things that have nothing to do with being "sad." I have known several dancers who enjoyed their work immensely, for example, and certainly weren't doing it only for the money.
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Carter Denja
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11-12-2009 07:59
From: Scylla Rhiadra Sorry, bit of a digression here, but I confess I've never understood the point of conventional emoting. How can reverting to the third person:
"Scylla Rhiadra imagines doing unspeakably rude things to your body"
be more "sexy" and effective than the first person:
"I am imagining doing unspeakably rude things to your body."
I see the value of emoting in the third person as a way of maintaining some distance from the RP, but were I a dancer (and maybe this would make me a poor one?), I'd assume that the latter would get me more tips than the former. There are different styles, and I don't think any one is inherently better than any other. Consider: Carter Denja: I run my palm along your curves, exploring the landscape of your body. Carter Denja runs her palm along your curves, exploring the landscape of your body. Carter Denja: *running my palm along your curves, exploring the landscape of your body* The first reads like I'm telling you what I am doing. The second reads like a narrative, a story being told by an omniscient narrator. The third is a kind of stage direction, and indication of an action meant to accompany whatever words are spoken in chat alongside it. To my mind, these give slightly different impressions. Perhaps, for some people, one or the other can give more of a feeling of something happening to you, rather than someone talking to you. Perhaps not. It's a subtle difference, and for most people probably not a terribly important one. Indeed, in my experience, in the heat of the moment I tend to concentrate more on what I am saying than the specifics of the form in which I'm saying it, and may switch back and forth between different emote styles without even realizing it. I've never had any complaints. I've also never emoted for tips, so I can offer nothing beyond speculation as to the impact of the different styles on the results of that. My speculation is that in the dancer/escort context, too, what you say has a much great impact on your return than what form you choose to say it in.
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Rhonda Huntress
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11-12-2009 08:03
From: Scylla Rhiadra How can reverting to the third person:
"Scylla Rhiadra imagines doing unspeakably rude things to your body"
be more "sexy" and effective than the first person:
"I am imagining doing unspeakably rude things to your body." Let me expound a bit on what I said earlier. In this case I like the 1st person better. There is no way for you to know what I am thinking unless I say it. 3rd person is for things external to me. I drop from 1st person because it is something YOU experience. From: someone Rhonda Huntress smiles as she looks deep into your eyes. "I am imagining doing unspeakably rude things to your body." Some people also like to use emote tools, which is a simple attachment that repeats what it hears on a channel. That way all the 3rd person emotes are in a different color. I want to say this again. There is no right or wrong way. This is personal preferences. Paper or plastic - what is in the bag is what matters.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-12-2009 08:05
From: Carter Denja I've also never emoted for tips, so I can offer nothing beyond speculation as to the impact of the different styles on the results of that. My speculation is that in the dancer/escort context, too, what you say has a much great impact on your return than what form you choose to say it in. I'm sure that you are right about this, and your analysis of the different effects produced by the different methods seems to me very good. I guess, self-evidently, I am just speaking for myself. I don't really get into RP myself (probably a lack of imagination or something), so this first person approach, with its immediacy, really seems to ME to be more effective. But I suspect that it is contextual; different styles might serve different contexts.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-12-2009 08:08
From: Rhonda Huntress Let me expound a bit on what I said earlier. In this case I like the 1st person better. There is no way for you to know what I am thinking unless I say it.
3rd person is for things external to me. I drop from 1st person because it is something YOU experience.Some people also like to use emote tools, which is a simple attachment that repeats what it hears on a channel. That way all the 3rd person emotes are in a different color.
I want to say this again. There is no right or wrong way. This is personal preferences. Paper or plastic - what is in the bag is what matters. /me nods. I very much like the method you demonstrate here, though: it combines very nicely the immediacy of the first person, with the "colour" that you can provide with a third-person approach.
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Dirtymuck Dagger
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11-12-2009 08:10
I do tend to make big assumptions, and it rarely wins me any friends however I often look at the things that people do in SL from a RL point of view and on occasions have introduced RL friends to check SL out, and tbh all my female friends did say that people spending their nights as virtual strippers and prostitutes was sad. It is however as always personal choice.
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Taylor Lubezki
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11-12-2009 08:26
From: Dirtymuck Dagger I do tend to make big assumptions, and it rarely wins me any friends however I often look at the things that people do in SL from a RL point of view and on occasions have introduced RL friends to check SL out, and tbh all my female friends did say that people spending their nights as virtual strippers and prostitutes was sad. It is however as always personal choice. I'm sure with every instance those that are spending their nights as virtual strippers don't approve of everything your female friends do.. Just because it's not one persons cup of tea doesn't make it morally wrong for someone to do it. Perhaps they are living out a fantasy of being a dancer but in RL they don't have legs and cannot be a dancer. SL is full of people with disabilities that live out life as they wish it really was.. To look down on someone for that is wrong on many levels.
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11-12-2009 09:31
From: Scylla Rhiadra /me nods.
I very much like the method you demonstrate here, though: it combines very nicely the immediacy of the first person, with the "colour" that you can provide with a third-person approach. More fawning, eh? Pep ("Keep those communications channels open!" 
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Phil Deakins
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11-12-2009 09:37
From: Ceka Cianci that's true..might as well be a bot if you are gonna copy and paste.. Is there good money-earning potential for such bots? I have a few dozen unemployed at the moment 
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Beebo Brink
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11-12-2009 10:10
From: Rhonda Huntress Rhonda Huntress turns towards you as the cool night breeze blows her hair back from her face. "Good evening, Scylla. Welcome to my garden." This is the way I approach emotes as well. For me, SL is a shared narrative in which we can shape the experience with improvisation. I don't equate that with RP, which is a more scripted and artificial scenario, although the lines between shared narrative and RP can sometimes be a bit fuzzy. As much as possible, my emotes describe how I feel and what I think, but within a lyrical context. Just exchanging lines of dialogue is rather flat, and lacks the depth that emote emobellishments can develop. It's like adding color to the ink drawings. I prefer my emotes shorter, rather longer because the pacing of an encounter really lags as you sit waiting for someone to responde, then have to read the long paragraph they've written, then write your own response. (Although it is convenient if you need to get up from the keyboard to go pee, and they're still typing when you come back.) Like Carter, I switch from one style to another, sometimes without concious thought, although I do think at some level I've selecting the syntax based on what I'm trying to get across.
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Dirtymuck Dagger
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11-12-2009 10:19
From: Taylor Lubezki I'm sure with every instance those that are spending their nights as virtual strippers don't approve of everything your female friends do.. Just because it's not one persons cup of tea doesn't make it morally wrong for someone to do it.
Perhaps they are living out a fantasy of being a dancer but in RL they don't have legs and cannot be a dancer. SL is full of people with disabilities that live out life as they wish it really was.. To look down on someone for that is wrong on many levels. Your probably correct some of the things my female friends get up too would make your teeth itch, but surely our dissabled residents and those with bad legs should not resort to whoring. I also apologise for looking down on people who strip for 3US$ a night but thats just my nature.
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Taylor Lubezki
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11-12-2009 11:06
From: Dirtymuck Dagger Your probably correct some of the things my female friends get up too would make your teeth itch, but surely our dissabled residents and those with bad legs should not resort to whoring. I also apologise for looking down on people who strip for 3US$ a night but thats just my nature. Like I said in an earlier post.. I have a friend that made 50k in one month as a dancer.. not an Escort a Dancer. That's more than a lot of people make at a 9-5 job these days. And it's not resorting to.. Like I said it could be a fantasy.. I didn't say they "resorted" to it because they have no legs and do it to make money.. I said it's quite possible they are doing it in SL cause they can't in RL.
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Carter Denja
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11-12-2009 11:14
From: Dirtymuck Dagger Your probably correct some of the things my female friends get up too would make your teeth itch, but surely our dissabled residents and those with bad legs should not resort to whoring. I also apologise for looking down on people who strip for 3US$ a night but thats just my nature. They don't strip. They remove clothing from a cartoon character. Even if you identify strongly with your avatar, it ain't the same thing. Oh, and from what I hear (I've never tried, myself) if you only make US$3 a night, yer doing it wrong.
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Taylor Lubezki
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11-12-2009 11:24
From: Carter Denja Oh, and from what I hear (I've never tried, myself) if you only make US$3 a night, yer doing it wrong.
QFT.. lol
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Kira Zobel
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11-12-2009 11:30
As an RPer, I find saying actions in the first person to be VERY uncomfortable. Especially if you imagine being with somebody in person and them telling you, "I touch your cheek softly." That just really weirds me out. Since there are many things you can't do with your avatar with pure animations and scripted tools, it's nicer to do it in emote. And yeah, I went to a club once where dancer's would post walls of text. I didn't stay very long.
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Rhonda Huntress
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11-12-2009 11:35
From: Taylor Lubezki Like I said in an earlier post.. I have a friend that made 50k in one month as a dancer.. not an Escort a Dancer. That's more than a lot of people make at a 9-5 job these days.
And it's not resorting to.. Like I said it could be a fantasy.. I didn't say they "resorted" to it because they have no legs and do it to make money.. I said it's quite possible they are doing it in SL cause they can't in RL. L$50,000 / 250L$ per US$ = US$200 Taylor, you may need to ask for a raise  Someone could make that much dumpester diving for aluminum cans, but I dare say dancing and flirting is much more fun. And after all, this the reason most anyone is dancing or watching dancers. It is fun to them.
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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11-12-2009 11:36
From: Dirtymuck Dagger I do tend to make big assumptions, and it rarely wins me any friends however I often look at the things that people do in SL from a RL point of view and on occasions have introduced RL friends to check SL out, and tbh all my female friends did say that people spending their nights as virtual strippers and prostitutes was sad. It is however as always personal choice. You look down on them but you go to see them? Did I loose track of this conversation somewhere?
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Taylor Lubezki
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11-12-2009 11:39
From: Rhonda Huntress L$50,000 / 250L$ per US$ = US$200 Taylor, you may need to ask for a raise  Someone could make that much dumpester diving for aluminum cans, but I dare say dancing and flirting is much more fun. And after all, this the reason most anyone is dancing or watching dancers. It is fun to them. I didn't say me..... In today's economy unemployment is barley over that.. and people are forced to take part time jobs with little pay.. I make a great deal more than that.. lol
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Cherry Mubble
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11-12-2009 13:13
From: Pserendipity Daniels Why don't you really go for the sympathy vote and tell us you are dyslexic as well?
Pep (Your post merely reinforces my comments.) Do you ever have anything worthwhile to contribute to these forums? The OP was not asking for a critique of their writing skills, but a simple Sl related question, which unless I am mistaken is what these forums are for. Nor were they looking for a sympathy vote, just giving you an explanation for the typos they had made after your completely unjustified and unhelpful comments. It seems to me that you are the one looking for sympathy in bringing up a certain comment time and time again in every possible thread you can. Contrary to your opinion, you are not Gods gift to the English language.
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Riseon Kosten
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11-12-2009 13:20
From: Kira Zobel As an RPer, I find saying actions in the first person to be VERY uncomfortable. Especially if you imagine being with somebody in person and them telling you, "I touch your cheek softly." That just really weirds me out. Since there are many things you can't do with your avatar with pure animations and scripted tools, it's nicer to do it in emote. And yeah, I went to a club once where dancer's would post walls of text. I didn't stay very long. This! ^^ The first person thing really yanks me out of any enjoyment I'm getting. As for erotic dancers, I almost universally ignore them. I'm much more interested in the people in the crowd. ^_^
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