Child av---illegal?

"A couple goes on vacation to a fishing resort in northern Minnesota.The husband likes to fish at the crack of dawn - the wife likes to read.

One morning the husband returns after several hours of fishing and decides to take a nap.

Although not familiar with the lake, the wife decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance, anchors, and continues to read her book.

Along comes a game warden in his boat. He pulls up alongside the woman and says, "Good morning Ma'am. What are you doing?"

"Reading a book," she replies, (thinking, "Isn't that obvious?"

"You're in a restricted fishing area," he informs her.

"I'm sorry officer, but I'm not fishing, I'm reading."

"Yes, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment. I'll have to take you in and write you up."

"If you do that, I'll have to charge you with sexual assault," says the woman.

"But I haven't even touched you," says the game warden.

"That's true, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment."

"Have a nice day ma'am", and he left. "

Child prims are mostly illegal in every country where there isn't laws protecting the production of lemon jello.

This is a perfect response to the "But the kid av could do some sechs thing at any moment" mania.

Your Welcome, Babygirl

I try to check sometimes on "iffy" places that I want to see new with any of my SL kids first. Just to make sure that the sim owners don't mind. Other SL'ers can have their opinions about SL kids but in the end if the SIM owner doesn't have a problem with child avies then I feel comfortable inviting the kids along. Plus, even though we know everyone is 18 and older, it helps prevent us walking into places with things that would be broadly offensive if a child avie was found near them.

When that child avatar takes part in a sex act.



No, and no.



No. Of course, if they are standing there with an escort tag, no clothing, sexual content in their profile, etc., Yes, likely.



Could be a gray area, dependent on context: what is said, etc.



Yes, though I am sure there are other acts one could count as directly sexual without penetration involved. I could prob'ly name a few, but I really dun wanna.

Mari

/me grins



Yup! Jes easier, really.

Mari

I read the book that you left at the hangout Mari, and its a delight.. thank you.. everyone should be handed one at Orientation Island..

love
imogen

Just to close out, I hope, if someone wants to use the powerfully immersive context of SL to live a fantasy of a happy childhood - especially if meant to soften the damage of an unhappy or abusive one - I for sure am not not not going to be someone who will ever get in the way of that.

I don't expect to actually run into a scene where some creepster is persecuting an innocent child av as has been reported in this forum, but if I ever do, I will be very pleased, in fact feel honored, to deal with said creepster in the ways I deal with the more malignant sorts of griefers I do run into in SL.

If any creepsters are reading this, I promise you that you will not like it.

Ooh, must remember to get an ice cream cone into inventory to give to such a persecuted kid, just in case.

Inventory -->Library -->Clothing -->More Outfits -->Little Red Riding Hood .. Go Figure.

Just to be safe I recommend that everyone AR everyone they see less than 7 feet tall. When will this nonsense end?

Just AR everyone - you never know when they could switch their AV to be less than 7 feet.

You have a good point Colette. Let's just AR everyone we see for what they might be thinking.

I guess it depends on your intentions. Do you intend to police to grid, something that the Lindens themselves do not do? Is it your intention to make fine distinctions and judgment calls that LL itself, by internal policy, declines to make? If so, you should at least as LL to put you on the payroll. Don't you think?

On the other hand, js your intention is to stop teh pedos!!11!? If so, maybe you can visit your community center and maybe the local police and ask them what you can do to help. Or, better yet, maybe you can help some RL kids through a mentoring program. A little bit of volunteer time (an hour or two a week) makes a big difference in a real kid's life. Who knows, maybe you could have a hand in preventing RL abuse or at least identifying it. In any case, it will be much more effective than anything you could accomplish in SL to effect that cause. ...unless you think typing up all those AR's is fun, and more fun than you could otherwise be having.

Otherwise, it must just be something that offends you that is negatively affecting your SL experience, and you want it to stop. If you see something that offends you, first ask yourself why you are seeing it, and what is the most effective way for you to stop seeing it and to move on to something you actually enjoy. For example, ask yourself, is it on my land? Is it taking away from my own bukake experience? If the most effective solution really is to AR, by all means, fire away. But don't expect LL or any of us to give you guidelines. The best we can do is give you the questions to ask yourself. Additional note: if you're having trouble choosing a category for the AR, besides, "miscellaneous", then that should give you pause.

Pardon me if i've missed one of the possible explanations for your ARs. These were the only reasons I could think of.

What's to figure? The avvie alone should help answer the question of dis thread.

Mari

Who said I was planning to AR anyone? Let they who are without sin cast the first stone... etc...

OIC... you were just making a point.

The height thread was closed, so I'll chip in my 2c here... I have two AVs that I switch between... a normal (slightly tall..6ft something) human, and then my more usual faerie AV which is 3'9... I've only ONCE been asked to change my AV, and that WAS when passing through an adult sim... and one time got 'child AV' IMed to me, but nothing came of it after I told them I'm a faerie, not a child, 260 years old - which is quite young for a faerie anyway. Maybe it's the wings?

I do not care about German or come to think of it any EU law unless actually in that country. I follow the laws of America and Japan and no other unless in that country. What the frack can they do to a person. True Linden Labs can ban though I am close to quiting. The German goverment can try to extridite. However the American or Japanese goverments will not hand over one of their nationals for doing something that does not violate their own law!
I think this disussion has gotten silly, just silly and a bit suspect!.
Cartoon characters doing something that violates the law, how silly can a country get?
If you do not like Child Avatars, POST IT!Then do what you have to do. The landowners have final word on who or what can enter their property.

QFT

Well Linden Lab do and it's their platform so tough titty.

Of course there no risk of USA users being extradited to Germany. The LL ban on child av sexual activity, even though it is arguably legal in the US, is more a publicity thing. BUT, there ARE German land owners in SL (one big one in particular!)

Jes keep us kids away from it. Might be seen as broadly offensive.

Mari

Its been stated by many that the SL virtual Ageplay between adults with child avs didn't even violate German law.

It was the child porn exchange that violated German law.

Now maybe thats not accurate? But some have said that German law, Belgian Law and US law all require the virtual image to be indistinguishable from a photograph.

So which is it? If the law requires realistic portrayals then there is no danger of accidently seeing some sexual ageplay causing anyone legal problems.

I'd do a search, but any search terms I'd use on it would definitely raise eyebrows here at the borin' place.

Mari

I've searched.

The only thing I've found recently that would seem to counter some of the remarks about illegality is an article in the Second Life Herald, http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html , where there's a third-hand remark that the Dutch prosecutors don't consider SL to be realistic enough. This is only marginally more authoritative than many of the quotes, even in newspapers, that virtual kiddie porn is illegal.

The problem is really the distinction between realistic images that are totally computer generated, and cartoon-like images. When bans on computer-generated kiddie porn went into effect, legislators either didn't appreciate the distinction or didn't care. Certainly reporters, operating under deadlines, seem not to care about making such distinctions in their articles unless it's particularly relevant. But US courts did care about the distinction, and overturned one such law.

So whenever I see a discussion or article that mentions a ban on virtual kiddie porn without also saying explicitly that it includes cartoon characters, I take it with a grain of salt. I also take it with a grain of salt when it's clear someone is just quoting nebulous 'conventional wisdom' or 'known facts' without any indication that they've done any checking of sources.