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do you think age verification will affect you

Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-06-2007 12:11
I personally do not see age verification affecting me
I do not go to places that would have the need to be flagged as adult (mature yes, as many skin stores would be flagged mature) but not adult

so therefor I see no reason for me to even attempt to verify (even if I could, which apparently canadians can't)

and my store has no reason to be flagged adult, and it is already mature land

so I really do not see any impact on me what-so-ever

how about you?
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12-06-2007 12:13
I don't think it will affect me much, no, but I verified. You know, just in case........
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Ciaran Laval
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12-06-2007 12:17
Well I rent land out so maybe. I might have to evict peeps. However it's all voluntary and I think this might be a storm in a teacup in all reality. Once the dust settles I'd guess that people will use the restricted flag in the same fashion as people who only allow people with payment info used onto their parcels.
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12-06-2007 12:22
I bet you're Canadian, Rhaorth.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-06-2007 12:24
LOL chas yes I am but not living in canada

even if I could (which I am getting from the numerous canadian threads going right now, that canadians can not seem to verify)

I have no plans to even try, why verify when I have no desire or need to enter adult flagged parcels
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Klang Wopat
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12-06-2007 12:25
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Michael Bigwig
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12-06-2007 12:27
I don't think it will affect me personally--if it does, the differences will be minimal.

I think the 'age' of people entering Second Life are already in a high enough average, age verification will be a drop in a bucket.
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Chas Connolly
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12-06-2007 12:27
No, I'm not Canadian.
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Sally Silvera
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12-06-2007 12:35
Hi Rha,

Interesting this one. I don't think it will affect me personally to be honest.

My only concern is that places I like to go to, such as my favourite beachy island and a few music venues that have rougher areas around it, might flag themselves to be on the safe side.
Not too worried about it at this point though, given that none of them seem to fall into the adult category as described so far.
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Jessica Elytis
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12-06-2007 12:39
I fear that it will effect my friends. Esspecially those outside the US where I do not feel that LL has looked into HOW to get every country verified. I may be wrong (and hope I am), but it is something I worry about.

The other concern is that LL has not, and apparently has no intent of, explaining exactly what they mean by "adult content". Yes, there are some things that are known. Other things, like nude art, are asked about, but never answered.

I already verified, so that point is moot for me.

Am I going to flag my home as "adult"? Nope. I may have a few poseballs out in a skybox, but that's protected by a security system. Until every single friend I have in SL is able to verify, I will NOT flag my land.

But as I have verified, I will say it is a f***ing joke. This will in NO WAY keep out underage persons from SL. This is a big a smokescreen as Clinton saying he didn't have sexual relations with that woman *smirks*

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12-06-2007 12:41
I verified JIC, but no, I don't see it affecting me in the slightest.
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Ceera Murakami
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12-06-2007 12:51
I'm an adult,and I am not ashamed to admit that I have been aware since day one that this is supposed to be an adults-only environment, and that ocasionally I go places that would DEFINITELY get flagged as age verification required. Nor am I easily offended by the types of materials that would cause a parcel to be flagged as age verification required.

My work in-world as a builder and sim architect can and often does take me to virtually any place on the grid. One day I might be working in a G-rated University sim, while the next day I might be building a XXX rated bordello and dungeon playroom for a client. I can't have access denied to me for something as trivial as lack of proof of age, when I can readily provide that proof. So I have verified my main and all but one of my alts, and that one alt remains unverified so I can test the access permissions relating to age verification.

My home sim won't, at this time, be doing age verification, because the way LL has it set up, you *can't* be an off-the-map access-controlled sim and also use age verification. It's only available if your land is otherwise wide-open to all visitors. We prefer the security of a tightly controlled access list, that griefers can not bypass.

You can't use it of your parcel is access controlled by a land group, or if you use the "Buy Pass" feature to control access, either. Again, if "Public Access" is unchecked, you can't use age verification. Brilliant, eh?

(I have JIRA Tickets in on each of these bugs).

For my one store where I own the land, I won't be setting access limits based on age verification, because I don't sell anything more racy than a slightly suggestive T-shirt. But if I DID sell anything even R-rated, I'd lock it down to age verified only in a heartbeat.

I fully expect that before long, being age verified will be as voluntary as breathing, unless you are willing to have your SL experience curtailed to a patchwork area of unverified areas. Those who complain about ban lines already affecting their flying and exploring pleasure haven't seen but the tip of the iceberg.
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12-06-2007 12:55
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Royce Boa
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12-06-2007 13:00
I know this will effect me because I run a security company. Instead of cleaning out griefers and actual trouble makers, I'll be "carding" people to see if they're allowed to be looking at nekkie pixels.

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Fluf Fredriksson
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12-06-2007 13:11
Nope same deal here.
No point verifying unless I find there's somewhere I really need to be that won't let me.
Since I don't "need" to be that many places in SL, I guess I'll always be able to find an alternative place to go.
In fact, part of me is wondering if it might be quite nice to not be able to accidentally wander in to heavy duty 18+ extreme violence / sex areas.
Not verifying could actually prove to be a good thing!
Marianne McCann
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12-06-2007 13:17
Honest answer? I don't know.

I dun intend to age verify, because I dun tink most or all of the places that would not want minors present would be anywhere I'd want my avvie to be. Of course, I s'pect eventually this will not be so much of an "optional," an then it will affect me. But for now I dun see any big changes.

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Royce Boa
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12-06-2007 13:26
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Honest answer? I don't know.

I dun intend to age verify, because I dun tink most or all of the places that would not want minors present would be anywhere I'd want my avvie to be. Of course, I s'pect eventually this will not be so much of an "optional," an then it will affect me. But for now I dun see any big changes.

Mari


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12-06-2007 13:48
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
I personally do not see age verification affecting me
I do not go to places that would have the need to be flagged as adult (mature yes, as many skin stores would be flagged mature) but not adult

so therefor I see no reason for me to even attempt to verify (even if I could, which apparently canadians can't)

and my store has no reason to be flagged adult, and it is already mature land

so I really do not see any impact on me what-so-ever

how about you?


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12-06-2007 13:50
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12-06-2007 14:20
Age verification will affect me, NOT
Imogen Saltair
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12-06-2007 15:20
Age Verification will affect me if :-

....the two landlords I rent from HAVE to flag their parcels as 'Verifieds only' (they both say they dont intend to, but they may have to, to protect themselves and others renting from them, which I would totally understand). I would then lose my two homes on SL and all the time and effort I have put into them for the last 12 months.

...the place I am about to start teaching classes in has to flag 'Verifieds only' which will mean I cant go there to teach my classes.

...the place I rent to sell my goods has to flag 'Verifieds only' in which case I will lose part of my SL income which funds my rents and lifestyle here in SL.

... the places I go for fun and entertainment have to flag 'Verifies only' which means I will lose those parts of my fun in SL.

Yes.. It will affect me bigtime if i am unable or choose not to do this 'voluntary' thing.

For me ... its like a big Steel Gate coming down with a sign on it - "No Longer Welcome Here"

I am just surprised that I am the first on this thread to say so.

imogen
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-06-2007 15:24
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imogen damn that sucks, hopefully you will be able to verify to enable you to continue to enjoy SL the way you do now

I just do not go anywhere that needs to flag as adult, nor do I have to flag my own as adult so *shrug*

maybe I am too old to care too LOL (ok so maybe one can be too old)
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Ciaran Laval
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12-06-2007 15:33
Well there's also the issue of whether there's a knock on effect, I don't know if some of my renters are strippers or what not in adult venues, if they lose income I lose income. I have a shop at a mall in an adult type area so that might go poof and that's a good location for sales.

However there may be a sense of unwarranted panic here, payment info used was always there if people wanted to restrict their parcels and that hardly ever got used.
Sindy Tsure
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12-06-2007 15:56
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
do you think age verification will affect you?

Absolutely - I own a couple places that are definitely adults-only so I have to verify and have to set at least some of my land to verified-only.

I expect a bazillion questions from regulars about verification and expect to answer a lot of them with "er.. dunno. LL hasn't really said."
Imogen Saltair
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12-06-2007 16:08
From: Rhaorth Antonelli


imogen damn that sucks, hopefully you will be able to verify to enable you to continue to enjoy SL the way you do now



Thank you Rhaorth, so do I. I don't actually *want* to verify, not using the information that is available to me from my country (UK) but if I have to, to continue my life in SL then that is going to be the really hard choice.

I don't do anything in public places that anyone could object to, and my private life is conducted at 700 metres inside a 90m security orb. If some kid wants to peek with his camera at what I do there, then he has to be pretty determined and not just 'stumbling across adult content' in all innocence.

I don't wander around naked or make obscene suggestions to noobs, or make passionate kinky love to my husband on public voice chat. I *do* go to Malls to buy clothes where there are nude avatars pictured to sell skins, and beds with pose balls that are 'adult' are sold. If such as they are forced to flag as 'Verifieds only' just think how many places Mr or Mrs Unverified will be barred from? That is my issue with this whole thing.

Its all very well people saying 'it wont bother me' but the knock on effect if things go they way they could go, will be significant to a lot of people I think. Residents will definitely feel the effects, no matter how little adult stuff they look at by choice.

As usual I find myself wishing LL would just be CLEAR. What penalties may ensue if a parcel owner doesn't flag and should have? It seems we get a changing answer to that question with the rapidity of a strobe light.

imogen
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