Nippless in Mature

I'm really looking for opinions here. Yes, I know; I'm usually the one with the cheeky "moe juste" and I'm Queen of Repartee BUT this time I wanna know what you think in a serious way.

I wanna put up my art again. I have lovely galleries and great art (lost a lot when got mad and started deleting BUt have a few left). Now, Lindens are very vague about art and stuff like that. I guess they have hang-ups about nudes and body parts and they dont wanna offend the moral and religious types. BUT what exactly defines an offensive representational artistic work for you?

Are nipples allowed? Do breasts turn you into a prophet of doom of biblical proportions? Can the male body be allowed but the female "T & A" constitute high treason? You see, I dont have many more warnings to go before I get heaved off and when that happens I'm not coming back.

Many of you have seen my galleries. What must I do to avoid exile and banishment from sl and be sent adrift to wander the Empty Quarter and the endless sands and infinities of the metaverse?

What is deemed acceptable in YOUR opinions for home galleries in Mature. (Hal and I are selling all our PG holdings)

Nudity is allowed on your land if it is Mature land. I've been to plenty of mature sims that have nude sculptures.

Its been said many times that nudity is ok on mature land.

In fact I've stopped wearing clothes on mature mainland unless there is some indication that I should be dressed.

As for art... there is nudity and there is sexual.

If your nudity involves a sex act - keep it on adult. If its posed to 'titilate' or gross somebody out - keep it on adult.

But if its artistic or casual or everyday nudity - its for mature land. If it would be ok on a French public street or beach - its mature. If it would only be ok in a strip club or gay bath house, keep it on adult.

Honestly, if it's art and presented as such, and advertised as such, it's fine on Mature.

Go to a private estate and have it there; you'll be putting up with a lot less nonsense.

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Jig, the stuff I saw at your place is undoubtedly art and not porn. It's not even terribly explicit.

Go for it.

Linebacker's thighs.

Pep (Unless it's a linebacker.)

PS Or vanity pix.

I won't repeat the above sensible posts (EDIT: except one). I'll just add that if you do put your gallery back up on mature land, some moron will surely AR you at some point. Do yourself a favour and don't freak like you did last time a Linden got involved. Just because they're dealing with an AR doesn't mean they'll find fault.

Oh, and when you put it back up, let us know, please? I, for one, haven't seen it yet.

Oh pfft Jig. You would be back in a heart beat.

I thought nudity was a no-no on mature land now. Am i wrong?

Just say your still rezzing and waiting for your clothes to download!

Nudity is NOT allowed in Mature in the sense of showing nipples on Mature sims (or mature rating in x street,either.
We have to doo loads of editing,in for ex.our creations like lingerie, both the lingerie itself,putting two different editions in the pack ) and the photoshop images for this reason.If not they have to be adult rated(a bit of pink showing though lace ,near were the breasts are ?? its a nono...
And my Lingerie is not the "sexy dancer style, but more "the elegant or innocent white style".
Furthermore , the private sims of Avalon art community,got art removed from their Galleries just for this reason, showing nippels..So nudity maybe but nippels no(Mature sims)

Funny... I know a classical art gallery on PG land that persistently presents and sells paintings with full frontal. =^-^=

I've seen Blondin say that strutting around in a mall nude is in bad taste, but, he never out and said that it's formally restricted. (^_^)

Nobody has the right answer and Linden Lab won't tell us until after we're suspended. Just consider it ~that~ much of a risk. (^_^)y

Blog or it didn't happen. =^-^=

I still frequent a (Mature) land nudist colony that Linden Lab is well aware of due to the harassment it receives by a certain ilk. Can't get more nakie and in the radar as that. =^-^=

You are not wrong. Nudity on Mature land is permitted in areas *designated for that purpose*, such as naturist beaches, etc...just as it always has been. Nudity in your own private home is your choice. Nudity in general public areas remains a no-no, just as it always has.

What's odd is that nude avatars are permitted, within the above restrictions...but apparently avatars showing bare breasts in advertising *pictures* is NOT permitted.

This is the sort of ridiculousness that always happens when someone tries to define what's porn and what isn't.

Considering the statements on the subject by various Lindens, the unpredictability of the G-Team and the fact someone AR'd you for this before, I can think of no compelling reason to even try it on Mature land.

I would defintely set it up on adult rated land.

According to the official source ( http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Maturity_ratings:_an_overview ), adult content includes:

-- "Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph"

If Linden Lab had actually intended to allow no nudity at all in a Mature sim, this sentence could have been a lot shorter. They would have simply said "no nudity" -- as they do for PG land, later in that same knowledge base article. They would not have bothered to craft the above sentence with its careful clarification.

As per the quoted definition, photo-realistic nudity would involve, say, a RL photograph imported into SL as a texture. Snapshots of avatars within SL are cartoon pictures and could not be mistaken for a photograph.

In particular, skin sellers who display their wares in a plain and straightforward manner in a vendor texture should have no problems on Mature land.

Nudity is allowed as long as it is not real or real enough that you can't tell if it is real or not..

Thats pretty much what the rule says..whether they enforce it or not is a mystery lol

Photoreal nudity seems to be fine as well so long as it is a non-prurient work of art. There are some excellent sculptors now on mature land selling photoreal-skinned humans that you could swear were avatars.

I'm not saying what they will or will not enforce..I'm just saying what they say in the rules..
If you cannot tell if it is real or not then they say it's not allowed..if they don't enforce it then thats fine..i'm not gonna complain one bit about it hehehehe
there is someplace in the KB that they say something about art pieces or certain types being ok anyways..

I never did see how the nude human body could cause any offense.....but then again I was raised by an artistic mother who exposed us early to the Arts and insured that we would appreciate the beauty of art, in all forms.

That said....I can't see why art depicting a nude form should be offensive on mature land. I don't get involved much at all with mature/adult issues but I would agree that probably erotic/sexually explicit art is going to be viewed as 'adult' in many or most cases.

I could wax on about the ridiculousness of finding the human body offensive......I could go on an all out rant about how there are so many other infinitely more 'offensive' images out there that somehow we find totally acceptable. (most involving extreme violence) but I will only comment that I totally agreed with Larry Flint's speech on the subject as depicted in the movie "The People Versus Larry Flnt".

You wanna offend me....kill my cat....but walk around nekkid in front of me and the most ya might get is a giggle or a raised brow.

thats how it should be..if something does truly offend me i just won't go back to the place..I'm not gonna sit there and AR it..
if they offend me in some way that is intended at me then it's on..

a lot of people are too quick to AR rather than realize it's a pretty big world..some seem like they can't wait to find someone breaking a rule so they can..pfft ..if anyone AR's an art gallery thats pretty sad i think..

I have stated this before, but there is a 38 foot high statue in the heart of downtown Nashville with nine full frontal nude figures complete with genitalia. I cannot conceive of a business in California being less progressive than us hicks in Tennessee.

I suppose it's facile for me to say now after all the posts stating it's probably all right, but if Jig or anyone else should get booted for showing art, I'm gone too - alts and all.



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