Intolerance...

With all the Adult Content and other threads here and at XstreetSL I've read over the recent months I'm beginning to feel that not only LL has forgotten this part of the Community Standards but many of the residents have too.

What happened to the SL I wandered around in when I first arrived almost 3 years ago?

Everyone can TP at will away from things they don't wish to be a part of, no one can actually be hurt physically by anything in SL, we are all supposed to be adults. Why all the bashing and hate on the forums?

What ever happened to the golden rule everyone seemed to live by when I was a younger avi?

What happened is bad apples came in and used that 'any goes' motto to harass others for who they are or what they believed or how they lived - attacking people rather than issues.

A civilized discourse cannot exist in an anarchy - intolerance and hate either have to be in control (ie: Aparteid), or they have to be pushed out the door.

I'm not bad. I'm just rezzed that way. (^_^)y

A civilized discussion can occur with tolerance, if those participating have empathy for the others position.

It worked very well for 4 years here.

Tolerance and understanding can be the backbone of a discourse rather than intolerance and hate.

You haven't been here long enough to know anything about this forum, except to push your own agenda.

Agenda or not, he/she does have the right to speak their mind.

No matter how much I disagree with someones methods and arguments, I try to not fuel the fire of hate with more hate.

I'm not perfect but it seems to me answering a jab with reason and tolerance can be a more powerful statement to an intelligent reader than a rant.

This is a rather interesting statement to make in a thread titled "Intolerance".

I'm just saying...

Yeah...

Funny, how in so few posts in, I've already been shown to be correct. Note also how the attack on me is a personal one, rather than debating the issue...




Exactly. Thus the need for the standards you quoted.

This is true of any set of human interactions - not just these forums. You can either let hate take control, or you can push it out. Hatefulness is anathema to a peaceful discourse - they cannot coexist.

Exactly. Thus the need for the standards you quoted.

This is true of any set of human interactions - not just these forums. You can either let hate take control, or you can push it out. Hatefulness is anathema to a peaceful discourse - they cannot coexist.

True he has the right to speak. However, to say that "What happened is bad apples came in and used that 'any goes' motto to harass others for who they are or what they believed or how they lived - attacking people rather than issues" does not show any kind of tolerance. Especially from someone who has been here a month. The "bad apples" have been here long before me. Of course unless he is hiding behind an alt.

I reckon some stuff just is intolerable by it's very nature, I'd never want to be able to accept somethings, let alone have it expected of me. That said, there aren't many things or ways that fall into that category.

I'm pretty new too, I have actually found the users of SL and these forums to be well civilised 95% of the time. I think people treasure their av and it's reputation.

As far as SL tolerance goes, I've found that it does take an open mind, I came across a few things here that were out of my boundries... but have turned out to be harmless.

It clicked when someone wrote that their av was just a shiny black ball that did nothingl, lol, then I just kind of got it, it's peoples art in it's own way.

I think it's also a matter not relying on it being understandable it seems to varied and open a world.

Ok then, playing the post count and "I'm older than you" card does not fly. The point is, that no matter the age/sex/insert here anything that denies the point because of bias .. ad hominem attacks do not further discussion/discourse. A point that is valid is just that *valid* regardless.

I have not mentioned post count as most of my posts have been in one thread. I have only mentioned time here and that many of these so called "bad apples" have been around much longer than I have.

I only thought you might respond to the content and not the author. Simple, is what they said valid or not, to your perception of the matter at hand?

Another handbag war.

I don't know if there was ever a golden age, but if so it was before 2005... because when I arrived in SL in that year there was already plenty of intolerance. Everyone who was outside the norm was likely to be targeted by griefers, and LL did nothing effective against them, and nobody outside the communities targeted seemed to care. People seemed to think it understandable... that if you were furry/gorean/whatever you were asking for it.

Has the target just changed?

I don't know what things were like 3 years ago, but I do know what they were like when I arrived in this forum. At that time, there was a lot of intolerence here if you did something that some people didn't like. Tolerence is not a word I would ever have used for this forum as a whole, because, whilst I've been here, there have been openly intolerent people. Wherever there is a largish group of people, some are bound to be intolerent by nature. I doubt that there's been any change at any time during SL's existance.

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Griefers can be controlled by the individual land owners, they harass a land owner or his guests, they get banned from that land. Pretty simple.

Anarchy is the only way a civilized discourse can take place. A place where everyone can speak, no matter how odious their opinion. What you advocate is the use of force against those who you find objectionable.

Pragmatists. (^_^)y

The problem lies wholly in the lap of LL; if you have forum rules then they have to be specific, transparent, enforceable, monitored and enforced.

Failure in any of these areas leads to the type of forum anarchy that Chris describes, but an anarchy in which the participants are only those who enjoy anarchy, and the naive.

Tolerance is only one of the rules that are imprecisely defined and even more imprecisely policed. It's hardly worth having Community Standards, is it, if they can pretty much be ignored with impunity?

When they are occasionally enforced, of course, it leads to justifiable accusations of victimisation, bias and preferential treatment.

Pep (So you end up with what we have here.)

and you should know theres no one better than you at stamping down on opinions you dont like ....

And another fine example of attacking the person rather than something they said.

Every person who joined SL has his or her reason for doing so. That isn't much of a problem, on its own, but it does become a problem when someone joins and thinks that everybody else is there exclusively for his or her personal entertainment, expecting tastes and behaviour to follow his or her own requirements. Especially when you basically put your own lifestyle on display you can expect to trigger a response. Basically just like in the real world: get more visitors to your land, walk around naked, or whatever, and someone who thinks other people are there for their own entertainment will start complaining.

sl used to be a place for everyone..
people join and decide oh i don't like that part of the world over there ..
instead of staying away from that part of this huge huge huge world..i think i will start a movement to change it the way i like it and say i am offended..

that and ya know this damn learning curve is way to big..i think we should make it much much easier for me..

instead of saying to themselves..you know this is a huge huge world i am sure i will find my place..or take the time to learn it..so we are getting watered down to disney and no brainers..

^this^

I totally agree with that, that is how it felt to me when I first joined.

These forums are no different than any I've been on in the past years, they are a pulse of the VW/game just like any other. There are trolls and asshats, but usually its a thread here and there that flares up and then fades. What's happening here seems to go beyond that.