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Isnt it time for a few perks from Lindens for sl devotees ?

Rusalka Writer
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09-14-2008 14:15
Oooh, free uploads would be nice. Especially when I'm uploading sculpt maps. When they import inside-out and there's no flip-axis tool inworld and I have to pay again to upload them, I get very *@&$@#*$&;(!!!

I also agree with tier division. I think LL would make far more money. I know I crept upward to my current tier, but I can't see much of a chance that I will be leaping across the chasm to the next tier. If it went up in units of 512 I certainly can see picking up more land in future.

Some great ideas in this thread.
Sindy Tsure
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09-14-2008 14:33
Er.. With the whole mainland adfarm cleanup, moles building roads and such and all that, isn't LL sorta already making an effort to make premiums a bit better?

Don't get me wrong - I like perks and will take all that are offered. I'm just sayin'...
Katt Linden
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09-14-2008 14:42
From: Sindy Tsure
Er.. With the whole mainland adfarm cleanup, moles building roads and such and all that, isn't LL sorta already making an effort to make premiums a bit better?

Don't get me wrong - I like perks and will take all that are offered. I'm just sayin'...


Very true, Sindy, those are certainly very important steps that LL is taking as an effort to make things better, thanks for noticing!

Adfarm cleanup, y'll all are happy about that, right?

There are some good suggestions here, thanks folks. I've been in several conversations with Lindens where the topic came up, so the ideas are appreciated and duly noted. :)
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09-14-2008 14:46
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09-14-2008 14:57
From: Katt Linden
Adfarm cleanup, y'll all are happy about that, right?

There are some good suggestions here, thanks folks. I've been in several conversations with Lindens where the topic came up, so the ideas are appreciated and duly noted. :)


Definitely happy to see it, yes.

We want more though, and we want it now, of course. Give us an inch an all... ;-)
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09-14-2008 15:20
My personal belief is this: the Lindens are not trying to retain customers because they know that doing so will require a big change in the social environment, which they are powerless to make.

The main problems that SL has that impact retention are the user interface, the graphics, and talkerisation. The user interface they could possibly do something about, but the graphics they can't really (doing so would break huge amounts of existing content), nor can they do anything about talkerisation without disrupting the economy, because it is the economy, and the properties that enable the economy, that tend to cause it (they tried to substitute "platformisation", but that also disrupted the economy).

The truth is that they know that the majority of long-term users already have all they need to keep them in the world. If they already have an island that's paid for by their sales/rent, they don't need two instead of one!
Solomon Devoix
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09-14-2008 15:57
From: Katt Linden
Very true, Sindy, those are certainly very important steps that LL is taking as an effort to make things better, thanks for noticing!

Adfarm cleanup, y'll all are happy about that, right?

There are some good suggestions here, thanks folks. I've been in several conversations with Lindens where the topic came up, so the ideas are appreciated and duly noted. :)

Well, except for one thing, Katt... that benefits EVERYONE (which is a GOOD thing, believe me) but is NOT something that you can put a check in the column of "bennies for premiums".

The improvements that will come from these efforts are community-wide.

Or are you implying that non-premiums aren't part of the community?
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Tarina Sewell
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09-14-2008 16:11
From: Maelstrom Janus
Does anyone agree with me that fee paying residents are overdue for something a little positive by way of repaying customer devotion from Lindens. ?

While I realise actual price cutting maybe anathema how about increasing the land allowance ( think about it guys that might actual give land sales a jolt !) and the free land allowance too.

How about applying some of that technical expertise to increase the prim amount per plot too ? Dont tell me increase the prim count would cause lag at the rate youre making new regions avaialble for auction ;)

Maybe a few technical changes that would benefit sl users who love to build ? Ive been here 12 months and while theres talk of beaming between different virtual worlds we're still stuck with the same basic range of prims... how about increasing the range - a few polygons maybe or shapes which can have as many holes cut in them as you want, and how about increasing the size of prims to - mega prims work why not legitimise prims up to 50 m and make them available as standard. And I find it incredible that there is still no way of putting text or fonts onto prims in world.

Banning ad farms and beaming between worlds is all very well but I dont think its much of an added bonus to the devoted sl user.



banning ad farms, is a BIG start. I'd rather they work on problem issues we have now... rather than go headfirst into a new addons...... maybe thats just me.

But I'm all for a new avatar where we women and some of you men if put in the positions we are, don't have huge slices missing from our thighs. Other than that I am plesed withteh available tools we have.

perhaps up the prim allowment on private sims?
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09-14-2008 17:38
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Nika Talaj
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09-14-2008 17:49
I think the Premium program should be stopped, with some very nice, permanent, thank-you benefit given to current premium members.

Why? We spend a LOT of time here on the forums explaining the premium program to bewildered newbies .... the bonuses, the tier, why you lose your land immediately when you fall behind in tier payments, etc.. It is an eclectic, specialized program which I'm sure costs LL quite a bit in support calls as well. It often generates bad feeling among Premium members who do not feel they get Premium attention from LL. The program is not well-conceived, and it is TERRIBLY named.

Instead, how about a simple, tiered, pay-for-support scheme, with Basic members handled as they now are? Or, you could tie support availability to the amount of land owned, with a pay-for-support scheme available for renters. That would be SO much more straightforward. It probably would generate more income for LL as well.
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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-14-2008 18:06
Nika, that is probably all quite true. And would help some of the anomosity among a few Premiums. I'm sure it could be implimented fairly over a small period of time. However (you knew that coming :) ), that would require a completely staffed department of fully qualified customer service representatives.........and qualified, good CSR's do not come cheap. Department heads would require a substantial salary to reruit and retain. The CSR's would need to be specially trained for SL problems (a CSR for your local ISP or some college student working for beer money will not cut it).

I just don't believe LL will commit those resources in that direction. At least not right now......maybe later when some real competition gets up and running.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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09-14-2008 22:09
Nika, what would be a good name for the premium memership plan?

Peggy, why would Nika's suggestion increase the need for support above what it already is? We are supposed to have a support system for premium members already, aren't we?
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Brenda Connolly
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09-14-2008 22:19
It would be nice if The Providers could come up with somethung to lure former Premiums , like me back to the paying ranks as well. I'm not interested in owning land, so tier is irrelevant, I don't create, so free uploads mean nothing, how would a creative marketing drone seperate me from my 10 bucks a month?
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09-14-2008 22:35
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09-15-2008 00:37
From: Maelstrom Janus
Good god do these people identify one another by funny handshakes ?

I dont imagine for a moment that a second life sky station commander who's sl pleasures involving playing sl trivia, turning into a tiny polar bear, flying an sl TARDIS and occasionally indulging in sl cyber sex stands much chance of getting within a megaprim's radius of that particular sl brotherhood.. (should it exist)


Lol of course it exists, Prok says so, but then again we are talking about someone who thinks Torley Linden is his arch nemisis who's apparently out to get him according to his own blog posts.
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Kitty Barnett
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09-15-2008 03:33
From: Marianne McCann
Things like a friendly "happy rez day' note or even a silly little gift (a "it's my rez day!" one prim button to wear on your avvie, for example) would go a long way and cost virtually nothing for LL to implement.
*bumps*

There's also a number of things that wouldn't cost a thing but that would be nice to have at premium/concierge level:
* higher group limit (breaks the grid to do it for everyone but it's less than 1/5th of the total active population)
* [email]kitty.barnett@secondlife.com[/email] (or some other vanity domain) - little practical use, but nice touch
* one or two private sandbox sims
* lottery on every SLxB with a handful of "lifetime" accounts :p
etc
Dekka Raymaker
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09-15-2008 03:41
this doesn't work. you have a premium member renting 512m and not paying tier, you have a player renting a island with just PIOF and you want the premium member to have a perk, get real.
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Hern Worsley
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09-15-2008 03:43
From: Rocky Rutabaga
Yep. Totally.

However, LL just does not get that it needs to retain customers--The ones who pay--instead of just attracting new customers who try and say bye-bye after 2 weeks (and LL is getting worse at doing that as well). The tactics you've already suggested would work wonders. As a person reaches some milestone anniversary of staying with SL (3 months, 6 months, 1 year, etc.), LL should offer a new benefit, whether it's free uploads, change of tier structure, etc. It doesn't have to be huge and cash draining for LL. It does have to show appreciation and an understanding that the ones who stay are the ones who bring new customers, improve the content within SL and help the newbs who just started. (Hell, I would have peed my pants if I had received an email from a low-level Linden congratulating me on my rez days. Even that, teensy show of interest in us would be a huge start.)

LL thinks it is a technology company, not a customer-service company, so until it is sold to a company that understands customer satisfaction and retention, SL will continue to slowly slide backwards into virtual history.

I find it so ironic that when one starts up the SL software nowadays, the log-on screen shows a vast empty sim, with not an AV or prim to be seen. I've started to log on a couple of times this week, saw the image and then said to myself, "You're right, Lindens. No one's there. I'll go see what's happening in RL."


+1 on all of this LL definately need new ways to engage the user base one of the big reasons they have such a terrible reputation is because they seem like distant far too busy to talk to you (understandable) techy types.
Torley Linden is probably the most loved Linden of all because he has engaged with the users so brilliantly make him head of a Dept and give him a team of people hell do wonders.
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09-15-2008 04:21
From: Dekka Raymaker
this doesn't work. you have a premium member renting 512m and not paying tier, you have a player renting a island with just PIOF and you want the premium member to have a perk, get real.
If the PIOF is paying for the tier directly to LL then they're LL's customer. If that was your point then no, I don't think anyone should be making the distinction between premium and concierge.

If the PIOF is renting the sim from a landlord, they're the landlord's customer and it's up to the landlord to provide any additional "thank you"s.
Cherry Czervik
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09-15-2008 04:34
From: Ciaran Laval
Well when the island price drop came and we were complaining at Jack's office hour he asked us if we'd like some SL swag. The suggestion went down like a lead balloon but if they have T-Shirts and stuff I'm sure plenty of users would appreciate them.


Were they giving out free haircuts as well Ciaran?

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09-15-2008 04:40
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Nika, that is probably all quite true. And would help some of the anomosity among a few Premiums. I'm sure it could be implimented fairly over a small period of time. However (you knew that coming :) ), that would require a completely staffed department of fully qualified customer service representatives.........and qualified, good CSR's do not come cheap. Department heads would require a substantial salary to reruit and retain. The CSR's would need to be specially trained for SL problems (a CSR for your local ISP or some college student working for beer money will not cut it).

I just don't believe LL will commit those resources in that direction. At least not right now......maybe later when some real competition gets up and running.


OMG this so has to be quoted for truth. It makes me scream talking to support staff who are clearly just not that au fait with something (when they say "we don't do that" and you have to quote them the names of the last five Lindens who did said minor process).

Qualified, good CSRs are as rare as rocking horse ... evidence ... and it sounds like Peggy has a similar background to me in the distraction called RL. Peggy, my resume is up to date, should be both send them in and see them being ignored? *G*

Actually a little message on your REZDAY would be nice, and could even be automated.
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09-15-2008 06:22
From: Peggy Paperdoll
I just don't believe LL will commit those resources in that direction. At least not right now......maybe later when some real competition gets up and running.
And that will be their ultimate downfall: waiting to improve Customer Service AFTER a competitor comes to town. I stayed with Netflix (a high-tech service) when Blockbuster came along with its me-too on-line service, for one reason: brilliant customer service. I was so locked in to them, Blockbuster could have given away DVDs and I would not have budged.

And I totally agree with Hern W. If all the Lindens acted like Torley, I would stop my incessant posts about bad customer service. I'd even have a Linden's baby! Heck, all the Lindens' babies.
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09-15-2008 06:30
I would love to see either a small increase in my available tier OR reduction in tier costs.

Also, I recommend LL taking a look at City of Heroes' veteran rewards program, which encourages users to stick around by giving them something new every three months. I'm pretty sure it can be adapted to Second Life.
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