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What can I do if I feel I was wrongfully banned from a parcel?

Diego Lekach
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03-06-2009 22:40
Earlier today me and my girlfriend were banned from a parcel and I feel it was very unfair. We both really enjoyed that place, and were banned without any sort of warning at all for posting a single gesture. It was a movie theater, and we simply forgot our place for a moment. However, there were no signs with any rules to follow and we received no warning, we were banned on the spot.

I just really loved that place, and I'm unsure of what i could do to get the ban lifted, can anyone give me some tips?
Briana Dawson
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03-06-2009 22:58
Nothing you can do except ask the owner.

That is all.
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Lauralynne Cuddihy
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03-06-2009 23:42
What Briana said is the best advice.

People can ban for any reason within the walls of SL. So many people unfortunately do not realize this.

There don't have to be rules posted anywhere regarding behavior. The only thing that people should take notice of is if they are in a mature or PG rated area, and behave accordingly.

Whether someone is running a business on their land or have their home there. They have the right at any time, to ban who they wish, without question and without warning.
Diego Lekach
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03-07-2009 00:36
It's pretty unfair. I sent one of the co-owners a letter regarding it, I hope they will unban us.

If I ever ran a public place, I'd be sure to post a list of rules somewhere, and give people warnings if they break them. I wish people wouldn't take advantage of their powers like this....
Cristalle Karami
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03-07-2009 00:42
It is not unfair. It may be capricious of the owner, but you don't have a right to be anywhere. Even so, it never hurts to exercise good judgment, class and tact in public.
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03-07-2009 02:01
There is no such thing as being "wrongfully banned from a parcel". Parcel owners can do exactly what they want is that respect.
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03-07-2009 02:21
Sex in the back seat of a cinema will get you banned in RL too!!
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Aeslyn Dae
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03-07-2009 02:23
Diego, presumably people are going into the theatre to watch movies. Posting gestures that put up lines and lines of scrolling 'chat' nonsense or ascii art isn't very considerate. There's a time and place for those things and a movie theatre wasn't it.

I don't see why there need to rules displayed about not being a jerk, not restricting the view of the screen or interrupting the sound, so it isn't unfair. If you ran around shouting or causing problems for the other patrons in a RL venue you could expect to be unwelcome there also, wouldn't you agree?

All you can do is apologise to the owner as has been pointed out. You -might- get the ban lifted if you promise never to do it again, but don't be surprised if they don't take any notice.

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03-07-2009 03:00
If you want to be able to go back, apologise politely saying you really like the place, will never do it again etc.

Oddly many people are incapable of doing that

Don't accuse him of anything or try to shift the blame to him by saying he should have had signs or given warning or if you were running a public place you would have done blah.
All that will result in is a big argument and you being muted, and possibly even ban linked.
Harmony Levee
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03-07-2009 04:16
Unfortunately as Phil said if they don't like your shoes, they can ban you. Nothing you can do either. I'd say your best bet is to apologize and then explain nicely that you didn't see any rules anywhere and if you did overlook them you are sorry and also ask for a copy of them or where they are so you can read them. Tell them how much you love the place and also that you won't make the mistake again. Basically kiss their bums, ugh.

I can say though, I am a admin on a sim and we post the rules in very clear sight but even then ofcourse, they get broken. I've been to places where people have abused rules, and yet I didn't get a rule notecard upon arrival or see any rules anywhere. Imo though a instant ban isn't correct, but again it's how they run their outfit, I think a firm, but friendly warning works best and have found it to do so many many times. I hate to say it but people who get officer tags get abusive with power and privelages. Not me though, I'm fair :).
Diego Lekach
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03-07-2009 04:53
I wrote the co-owner a note, and I apologized and praised their place, because I do love it, and I was in the wrong.

I posted a rather harmless gesture, a whopping 3 characters and a sound. My girl did the same, about 7 characters? Anyway, we simply forgot where we were for a minute. this is second life, after all. We were not doing it to be jerks, we were just chatting lightly and happened to pop off a couple gestures without meaning anything. We weren't going to do anymore gestures anyway, we instantly recognized it as being rude and stopped. I guess that isn't good enough. I guess we should be on high alert at all times of doing anything that just might piss an admin off, or get insta-banned for something as light as that.

Oh well, I'll just hope for the best....
Jezebella Desmoulins
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03-07-2009 05:14
All you can do is apologize once and hope the owner decides to give you a second chance. Beyond that, you're just liable to annoy them more than the original offense already has.

Also, not directed at the OP, but just in general... I would recommend keeping conversations like this to private IM or notecards. It never ceases to amaze me how many people think that starting a "why did u ban me???" dialog over the venue's group IM is going to yield positive results.
Toy LaFollette
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03-07-2009 05:25
as said before, ask the owner if no.... well, face it, is it someplace you really want to be?
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Zepar Zhukovsky
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03-07-2009 05:34
Buy some land, learn to build, make your own version of that parcel. Enjoy it knowing no one can ban you and you can do as you please. BTW: be sure to post some rules for others.....
Eric Stuart
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03-07-2009 05:36
It's a theater, and your "whopping 3 characters and a sound" probably was disrupting a movie. Not so much the "whopping 3 characters", but moreso the sound. Plus, almost every movie theater I've seen has a "no gestures" policy, because lets face it...noone wants to hear gestures spammed during movies.
Diego Lekach
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03-07-2009 05:56
I know, and I said multiple times that I admit I messed up saying a gesture. I didn't mean it, we all make mistakes. I'm just saying it was rather harsh to ban me so fast at a single gesture without even giving me a warning.

I can't make my own theater, I don't have the means. I enjoy watching movies with my girlfriend, and that's the best theater I have found. Also, I'm not the type to start shit for no reason, or be rude and emo by bringing stuff up in chat/group chat. Like I said before, i wrote a notecard to the co-owner. And I'll leave it at that, whatever happens.

I'm not a troublemaker, I just want to watch movies with my girlfriend :/
Maureen Boccaccio
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03-07-2009 06:02
Wow...there are movie theaters in SL that actually show movies?? I had no idea....I'm going to go do a search for these right now!

And to the OP: yes...it's good that you wrote an apology for your actions...I hope it works out for you. :)
Ephraim Kappler
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03-07-2009 06:14
From: Diego Lekach
I wish people wouldn't take advantage of their powers like this....

I wish people wouldn't thoughtlessly abuse their gestures like this. Just because the dumbass things are available, it doesn't mean that they are a good idea. More often than not they amount to little more than spam in the chat channel.
Diego Lekach
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03-07-2009 07:46
From: Ephraim Kappler
I wish people wouldn't thoughtlessly abuse their gestures like this. Just because the dumbass things are available, it doesn't mean that they are a good idea. More often than not they amount to little more than spam in the chat channel.


Quit attacking me. I wasn't thoughtlessly abusing gestures. I used one damn gesture, one simple sound. I am in no way a gesture whore, nor do I support their actions.
Eric Stuart
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03-07-2009 07:53
From: Diego Lekach
Quit attacking me. I wasn't thoughtlessly abusing gestures. I used one damn gesture, one simple sound. I am in no way a gesture whore, nor do I support their actions.


The point is this...you seem to be SAYING that you know you shouldnt, but you're portraying very obvious signs that you feel they shouldnt have banned you. A few things on that...

1) Ignorance is no excuse. If they have a sign up and you failed to notice it, that's no excuse.
2) They pay for the land, and provide the service. If they want to ban you because your shirt is blue, they can.
3) This isn't WoW. A wrongful banning at a sim doesn't go to LL and pretty much means that noone cares. If I invite you to my house and then decide to ask you to leave, I have that right. It's my house.
4) I love how you are flinging around "wrongful banning" and "abuse of power" for their actions, but you're regarding your actions as "a simple sound" and "only a few characters".

Just let it go. Tens of thousands of sims, with a million things to check out. If you get banned for doing something, suck it up and move along.
Windsweptgold Wopat
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03-07-2009 08:00
From: Diego Lekach
Quit attacking me. I wasn't thoughtlessly abusing gestures. I used one damn gesture, one simple sound. I am in no way a gesture whore, nor do I support their actions.


You said earlier you "simply forgot our place for a momen "posting a single gesture.""a whopping 3 characters and a sound. My girl did the same, about 7 character

How couldyou forget where you were? I mean you said you had been there before you were watching a movie. You said it was a single gesture then you said your gf did the same so that is 2 gestures disturbing the others. "We weren't going to do anymore gestures anyway" and the owner was to know this after all you did it once and maybe you were going to forget where you were again and do it more times.

The owner took the action that made the least amount of disturbance for the others maybe your letter will work but why not rent a house that has a TV and watch movies in private then you can whoop it up all you like
Diego Lekach
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03-07-2009 08:01
From: Eric Stuart
The point is this...you seem to be SAYING that you know you shouldnt, but you're portraying very obvious signs that you feel they shouldnt have banned you. A few things on that...

1) Ignorance is no excuse. If they have a sign up and you failed to notice it, that's no excuse.
2) They pay for the land, and provide the service. If they want to ban you because your shirt is blue, they can.
3) This isn't WoW. A wrongful banning at a sim doesn't go to LL and pretty much means that noone cares. If I invite you to my house and then decide to ask you to leave, I have that right. It's my house.
4) I love how you are flinging around "wrongful banning" and "abuse of power" for their actions, but you're regarding your actions as "a simple sound" and "only a few characters".

Just let it go. Tens of thousands of sims, with a million things to check out. If you get banned for doing something, suck it up and move along.


1) I'm not being ignorant, there weren't signs.
2) I'm aware of that. But just because that's the case doesn't mean it's right.
3) It wasn't a house, it was a public theater.
4) I'm not defending my actions, I definitely screwed up, and I admit it. I will also admit I have problems with authority, especially when the authority is unfair. Yes I know, it's their god given right to ban whoever they want. I don't care, i still think it's wrong.

Tens of thousands of sims, just try finding a decent theater in one. That's the only good quality one I can find.

And I know, you don't care if it's right or wrong. I guess my only choice is to, as you said, "suck it up" and deal with the hardasses.
Diego Lekach
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03-07-2009 08:03
From: Windsweptgold Wopat
You said earlier you "simply forgot our place for a momen "posting a single gesture.""a whopping 3 characters and a sound. My girl did the same, about 7 character

How couldyou forget where you were? I mean you said you had been there before you were watching a movie. You said it was a single gesture then you said your gf did the same so that is 2 gestures disturbing the others. "We weren't going to do anymore gestures anyway" and the owner was to know this after all you did it once and maybe you were going to forget where you were again and do it more times.

The owner took the action that made the least amount of disturbance for the others maybe your letter will work but why not rent a house that has a TV and watch movies in private then you can whoop it up all you like


We weren't watching a movie at the time, we were off in a corner chatting.
And like i said before, I don't have the means to stream full length movies at my home.
Eric Stuart
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03-07-2009 08:10
From: Diego Lekach
1) I'm not being ignorant, there weren't signs.
2) I'm aware of that. But just because that's the case doesn't mean it's right.
3) It wasn't a house, it was a public theater.
4) I'm not defending my actions, I definitely screwed up, and I admit it. I will also admit I have problems with authority, especially when the authority is unfair. Yes I know, it's their god given right to ban whoever they want. I don't care, i still think it's wrong.

Tens of thousands of sims, just try finding a decent theater in one. That's the only good quality one I can find.

And I know, you don't care if it's right or wrong. I guess my only choice is to, as you said, "suck it up" and deal with the hardasses.


Public theater? No, you must not understand how SL works. Nothing is "public". It may be open to the public, but it's not like a park. It's still a privately owned establishment. Plus, I'm not the one crying to everyone in SL because I was banned for playing gestures in a theater. For all we know, the owner and others were watching a movie, even if you weren't.
Diego Lekach
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03-07-2009 08:13
From: Eric Stuart
Public theater? No, you must not understand how SL works. Nothing is "public". It may be open to the public, but it's not like a park. It's still a privately owned establishment. Plus, I'm not the one crying to everyone in SL because I was banned for playing gestures in a theater. For all we know, the owner and others were watching a movie, even if you weren't.


I'm not crying, I just asked if there was anything i could do, seeing as how I really enjoyed that place. Believe me I wasn't trying to get into all this bullshit. I'm ending it right at that.
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