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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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07-14-2009 09:41
either the sim is on lockdown or i have been estate banned.
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SLU - ban em then bash em!
~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html |
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Arielyn Docherty
I DO Believe in Santa!
Join date: 3 Jul 2007
Posts: 625
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07-14-2009 09:42
either the sim is on lockdown or i have been estate banned. LOL...word travels fast. :: Wondering if I'm next :: _____________________
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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07-14-2009 09:42
i cant keep up on the do-gooder rules myself
 Aww Nina! Does that mean I have to go back and edit MY post?? Sheesh this forum stuff is a lot of work. _____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em!
~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html |
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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07-14-2009 09:44
either the sim is on lockdown or i have been estate banned. Doesn't it tell you you're banned from the region if you're banned? I can't remember the exact message but someone banned me from their region once and the message was pretty clear. |
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Eli Schlegal
Registered User
Join date: 20 Nov 2007
Posts: 2,387
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07-14-2009 09:46
Just curious...do you own, or have an investment in, :: The Sim That Shall Not Be Named :: ?? No you know better than that sweetheart. You have been to my apartment enough times. Sorry bout not calling you back.  |
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Milla Janick
Empress Of The Universe
Join date: 2 Jan 2008
Posts: 3,075
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07-14-2009 09:51
either the sim is on lockdown or i have been estate banned. They've apparently disabled public access. _____________________
 http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... |
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Arielyn Docherty
I DO Believe in Santa!
Join date: 3 Jul 2007
Posts: 625
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07-14-2009 09:52
No you know better than that sweetheart. You have been to my apartment enough times. Sorry bout not calling you back. Aww honey, where I come from they call that either wishful thinking or delusional!  MWAH!_____________________
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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07-14-2009 09:54
im not sure. surprisingly i have never been estate banned
 not that i am aware of anyway.Doesn't it tell you you're banned from the region if you're banned? I can't remember the exact message but someone banned me from their region once and the message was pretty clear. _____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em!
~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html |
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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07-14-2009 10:01
They've apparently disabled public access. _____________________
Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
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Milla Janick
Empress Of The Universe
Join date: 2 Jan 2008
Posts: 3,075
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07-14-2009 10:03
Agreed. I was there earlier, and the message I get now when I try to access the sim is what I would expect if Public Access was turned off. I'll bet that's going over well with the person who is renting space there for her business. _____________________
http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... |
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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07-14-2009 10:18
What I saw while I was there:
One quarter-sim parcel labeled as someone's personal sandbox. One quarter sim parcel with a very large building covering most of the parcel. (Possibly a store? Didn't look closely.) One quarter-sim parcel that was empty. The OP's 1/8 sim parcel. The remaining 1/8 sim was carved into about 6 smaller parcels, of which 2 or 3 were occupied, and three were empty (at least on the ground) While I was there, the OP indicated a large build had just vanished entirely from a neighboring parcel, moments before I arrived. She also commented she saw a neighbor appear for a moment, and then vanish again before she could talk to that neighbor. If each of the visibly occupied parcels had been using close to their full prim count, and assuming that the empty quarter sim was the other big build, the OP's parcel and the others that appeared empty (two of which the OP had stated was another neighbor who, like her, had bought land and couldn't place a single prim.), none of the remaining parcels would have had any prims available, because the sim's limit would already have been reached. It will be interesting to see if the OP gets a refund, or if the sim is allowed to continue scamming people. The only defense I can consider for the Estate owner is that possibly the person who was managing that sim for them was the one who set it up so badly, and maybe, just maybe, the Estate owner might not have been aware of this activity. The Estate has so many sims, it is unlikely the owner personally looks at more than a small fraction of them. Now that complaints are going to the Estate owner and their staff, I would HOPE that they would give refunds to the current tenants, and reconfigure the sim in an honest manner. Maybe that is why it is being locked down now? To re-arrange the parcels (doubling the land area for the occupied ones) and set the Object Bonus back to 1.0? _____________________
Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
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Medusa Torok
Registered User
Join date: 13 Oct 2007
Posts: 13
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07-14-2009 10:25
Update : well things have happened very quickly, the sim has been reclaimed by the estate owners, and they have been extremely helpful to me. The person who was reselling the land out will no longer be able to do so. The owners have bent over backwards to help me, I really cannot fault them, and thanks also to those people on this forum who came to help me and put me in touch with the right people. A great result.
Many, many thanks to all concerned. |
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Scout Schwager
Registered User
Join date: 20 Apr 2008
Posts: 53
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07-14-2009 10:32
LL shares some blame for these issues.
You buy something with a credit or debit card, or Paypal, you can always dispute. But LL sets up lindens to act like cash, even though they are still just so many electrons. LL should still be put on the hook to settle disputes, they set up the game and the currency rules. |
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sable Valentine
AU United
Join date: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,275
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07-14-2009 10:41
Update : well things have happened very quickly, the sim has been reclaimed by the estate owners, and they have been extremely helpful to me. The person who was reselling the land out will no longer be able to do so. The owners have bent over backwards to help me, I really cannot fault them, and thanks also to those people on this forum who came to help me and put me in touch with the right people. A great result. Many, many thanks to all concerned. /me thunderously applauds. The person reselling that land probably should be FIRED! _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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07-14-2009 10:42
Update : well things have happened very quickly, the sim has been reclaimed by the estate owners, and they have been extremely helpful to me. The person who was reselling the land out will no longer be able to do so. The owners have bent over backwards to help me, I really cannot fault them, and thanks also to those people on this forum who came to help me and put me in touch with the right people. A great result. Many, many thanks to all concerned. _____________________
Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
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Treasure Ballinger
Virtual Ability
Join date: 31 Dec 2007
Posts: 2,745
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07-14-2009 10:45
Update : well things have happened very quickly, the sim has been reclaimed by the estate owners, and they have been extremely helpful to me. The person who was reselling the land out will no longer be able to do so. The owners have bent over backwards to help me, I really cannot fault them, and thanks also to those people on this forum who came to help me and put me in touch with the right people. A great result. Many, many thanks to all concerned. YAY!!! ok now I am curious to know what kind of agent that was that set the land for sale so wacked. Was it an estate manager, an outside land seller on behalf of the owner, or what kind of agent? |
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Dante Tucker
Purple
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 806
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07-14-2009 10:52
LL shares some blame for these issues. You buy something with a credit or debit card, or Paypal, you can always dispute. But LL sets up lindens to act like cash, even though they are still just so many electrons. LL should still be put on the hook to settle disputes, they set up the game and the currency rules. If you dispute any charge from Second Life LL immediately suspends your account. And it is quite a hassle to get it back. Also it counts as if your account has been canceled, if you do not pay back the disputed charge within a certain time frame you risk having your inventory cleared and your land taken. Short version, don't dispute charges, LL kicks your ass. |
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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07-14-2009 11:01
As someone who carefully manages regions myself so this does *not* happen, I have to say, your average estate manager on the grid won't understand these issues very well.
As scams go, this would be a really stupid one ~ because it *will* come to light once you've got most of the parcels sold. My guess is that the seller, whomever that was, just didn't understand the tech issues. * * * * * Incidentally, here's how to do it right... this is how to properly 'double prim' a standard region, and people can extrapolate the method to a homestead if they want (remember you get less prims). 1) set object bonus to two 2) parcel 32768m of land for parcels to be sold and occupied. Now you've got 32768m of parceled land for sale and 32768m of common area that must be left utterly clear. 3) Zap one of the parcels you have for sale, to give yourself some infrastructure prims. Say you ditch a 1024m double prim parcel ~ that will leave you with (32768 - 1024)m of parcels for sale, (32768 + 1024)m of common area land, and 468 prims to use for infrastructure in the common area land without stealing anyone's prims. This is how to put a permanent 1/2 region forest or mountain range or sea onto a region, and still rent it out fairly... the net result is that everyone gets a parcel that is 1/2 the size it would have been, but at least they get the nice protected land all around. An incredible value add, actually, as very few people need their entire huge standard sized parcel for their building... *cough*noobbunker*cough*. _____________________
 Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon! |
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Mickey Vandeverre
See you Inworld
Join date: 7 Dec 2006
Posts: 2,542
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07-14-2009 11:05
YAY!!! ok now I am curious to know what kind of agent that was that set the land for sale so wacked. Was it an estate manager, an outside land seller on behalf of the owner, or what kind of agent? the land seller she purchased her land from was not connected with the Estate Owners. Carcinia Polano squared it all away for Medusa, by having a heart and going the extra mile - (she didn't have to) - - but she has always done business that way - - she operates first class. |
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Count Burks
Registered User
Join date: 14 Feb 2007
Posts: 1,089
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07-14-2009 11:08
I recently purchased a 8192m plot of land on a homestead sim, and paid a weeks tier to the land manager. The land should have had 936 prims. But, when i tried to use my land, i found that there are no prims whatsoever. Not one. cant even rez a cube. So I read the covenant again to see if membership of a group was required to give me rights to the land, but the covenant specififes this is not required. Hmmm. Naturally my next move was to contact the sim manager, have been trying for 3 days now, by IM and by notecard, and got zero response. A visit to the land this morning turned out to be interesting. 2 girls were in the process of purchasing the adjoining plot, and found the same problem as me. next I was approached by the unfortunate person who had the land the week before me, she told me she had paid a months tier and was now out of pocket by 6k. I also heard of the same manager selling a plot to someone, on a different sim, again there were insufficient prims, and before the unsuspecting purchaser was aware, the entire sim was sold without warning and all her items returned to her, she lost a huge amount of money on that deal. I have filed an abuse report to linden lab, but I am not hopeful as they do specify they cannot be held responsible for transactions between residents. BUT how can this person be still allowed to do this on sl? surely if all his victims file a report he should be banned? this person must be getting away with huge amounts of money and is still allowed to do so by linden lab. I dont think i will ever attempt to purchase private estate land again. My mainland plot now has a huge ugly skyscraper right next to it, cant do much about that but at least its my land, my prims and i can do what I please with it. I find it extremely worrying that there seems to be little security for our money with transactions of this nature, and the crooks are getting away with it. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Well you know where you can live in paradise don't you? Contact me if you need pretty homestead land, you know what you will receive. |
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Carcinia Polano
Registered User
Join date: 3 Aug 2006
Posts: 1
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07-14-2009 11:14
YAY!!! ok now I am curious to know what kind of agent that was that set the land for sale so wacked. Was it an estate manager, an outside land seller on behalf of the owner, or what kind of agent? The HS was rented and the person given EM rights. They in no way represented the estate nor are an employee of the estate. Once I was made aware of things and did some checking the sim was locked down, bonus returned to 1 as there was not 1/2 sim set aside for the 2 bonus, EM right revoked and Medusa now has a new home. There are happy endings. |
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Treasure Ballinger
Virtual Ability
Join date: 31 Dec 2007
Posts: 2,745
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07-14-2009 11:15
the land seller she purchased her land from was not connected with the Estate Owners. Carcinia Polano squared it all away for Medusa, by having a heart and going the extra mile - (she didn't have to) - - but she has always done business that way - - she operates first class. Awww lovely. Sometimes it's good to name names. There are some really good people out there, just as you went the extra mile for me, Mickey, when I was having a rug related issue in your store the other day, plus taught me something too about rugs, while we were at it. /me hugs all the nice, honest, helpful people and content creators in SL. |
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sable Valentine
AU United
Join date: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,275
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07-14-2009 11:52
The HS was rented and the person given EM rights. They in no way represented the estate nor are an employee of the estate. Once I was made aware of things and did some checking the sim was locked down, bonus returned to 1 as there was not 1/2 sim set aside for the 2 bonus, EM right revoked and Medusa now has a new home. There are happy endings. KUDOS TO YOU, Ms. Polano!!!!!  _____________________
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Medusa Torok
Registered User
Join date: 13 Oct 2007
Posts: 13
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07-14-2009 11:57
Well you know where you can live in paradise don't you? Contact me if you need pretty homestead land, you know what you will receive. thank you Count, hopefully I have things sorted now |
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Treasure Ballinger
Virtual Ability
Join date: 31 Dec 2007
Posts: 2,745
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07-14-2009 12:10
The HS was rented and the person given EM rights. They in no way represented the estate nor are an employee of the estate. Once I was made aware of things and did some checking the sim was locked down, bonus returned to 1 as there was not 1/2 sim set aside for the 2 bonus, EM right revoked and Medusa now has a new home. There are happy endings. Aahhh sub-leasing. Kudos to you for jumping right in and fixing it. Glad it's sorted and congrats to Medusa on her new home. |
