I know the technology behind my question is still pretty far down the road....BUT in reality, I can't help but wonder! How far away do you think we are from slipping on VR glasses and experiencing SL through the eyes of our avitars? Lift your arm and your AV lifts its arm...sure we have mouselook, but what about the truely immersive experience? A true virtual gathering that doesn't feel like you're sitting at a PC.
Maybe this has already been done by some college or university. I don't know, but the concept seems plausible. Could SL's servers handle that kind of data? Would major hardware upgrades need to be put into place? Would it even be affordable for residents? The technology is there for the gaming world...why not SL?
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Sarah Nikitin
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Snowman Jiminy
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01-02-2008 14:03
It's a scary thought. I am not sure it would be healthy for SL to be any more immersive than it already is !
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Meade Paravane
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01-02-2008 14:06
See also: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2972 and http://um3d.dc.umich.edu/homepage/inventor_reception.pdf
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Maggie McArdle
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01-02-2008 14:09
wow i just had a scary visual on that....people in thier homes, lying there....drooling.....
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Ceera Murakami
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01-02-2008 14:10
*Snickers at the thought of some horny college kid standing in the middle of his dorm room, wearing VR glasses, and humping the air as he makes out with his VR girlfriend in some other country...*
The VR glasses exist, but are terribly expensive still. I saw a pair in a catalog yesterday that offered an experience "Like watching a 40-inch TV screen 5 feet away"... but only had 640 x 480 resolution on each mini-LCD screen. The UI for SL would be undreadable at 640 x 480. The telecheric feedback gear needed to sense your body motion and translate that into avatar actions would be along the lines of buying two dozen WII game controllers and taping them to various parts of your anatomy. Expensive, and hellishly difficult to fine-tune. In short, we're a LONG way from that version of SL, and for most of us, it will be forever out of our reach financially. _____________________
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2k Suisei
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01-02-2008 14:13
wow i just had a scary visual on that....people in thier homes, lying there....drooling..... Drooling and puking. VR headsets cause major motion sickness. |
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Bradley Bracken
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01-02-2008 14:30
I've mentioned it in these forums before. I read a theorists discussion of the holodeck on Star Trek. He said it would be an incredibly dangerous drug that would have to be tightly controlled. Why would anyone want to come out?
I believe the amount of time I find myself and others spending in SL adds weight to this. Would I accept being placed into a coma while having my brain hooked directly into SL? I don't know, but I'd give it very serious consideration. _____________________
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Casper Whitfield
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01-02-2008 14:33
*Snickers at the thought of some horny college kid standing in the middle of his dorm room, wearing VR glasses, and humping the air as he makes out with his VR girlfriend in some other country...* Ok, the visual on that really cracked me up...I could see that happening. Though the visual I got was more of fry from futurama on his bed in a white t-shirt and underwear wearing a huge VR helmet... _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
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01-02-2008 14:39
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Czari Zenovka
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01-02-2008 14:51
I'd just be happy with a decent first person view instead of the clumsy mouselook (my only real "gripe" with SL).
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Tarina Sewell
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01-02-2008 16:08
Drooling and puking. VR headsets cause major motion sickness. I experience motion sickness when I pan to fast in SL now.. lol I didn't realize what it was I took a dramimine and that helped. lol Also, if I play unreal tournament and am flying on a manta, or something I get a bit dizzy lol. So I can imagine what VR glasses would do to me. "puke" |
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Weston Graves
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01-02-2008 16:08
I think the technology is nearly here, but not for the masses. Haven't there already been reports of paralyzed people being able to move a cursor with their thoughts via an implant? But this is a far more important use for the technology than mere entertainment. And if it became widespread, it would change our culture so much, Second Life and other forms of entertainment would become meaningless. I'm seeing hive mind interconnected people thinking at each other - never mind IM's and speech.
Far fetched? I grew up before there were any personal computers, and believe me, no one imagined anything like SL back then, not even in science fiction. Who's to say what else will come in the next 20 years? Me - I'd be frustrated if sensors stuck to my body revealed to the world how poorly I really dance! |
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Milla Alexandre
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01-02-2008 16:26
Um.....Matrix??? That's pretty much how it would go down if the masses could be hooked into a virtual world that completely. A few rebels would roam the streets in search of the genuine 'experience' of real world contact.......
I always wanted a HaloDeck...but I think SL is about as close as I 'should' ever get to having one~!! Oh...to answer the question...I think it's around the corner for human beings to have the ultimate virtual experience...and I also agree it's going to have to be very tightly controled. (I just can't help but think of Woody Allen in The Sleeper in that dam orgasm chamber LMAO) |
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Blinky Lane
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01-02-2008 16:43
oh yeah..i can see it now with goggles and full feedback clothing....
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Maggie McArdle
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01-02-2008 17:08
oh yeah..i can see it now with goggles and full feedback clothing.... Great fun...right up until some sod comes along and hits you with an orbiter and BANG, your stuck up against your ceiling until someone else arrives home to help. /me cleans my cherry coke off screen, still chucklin at the visual _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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01-02-2008 18:23
I know the technology behind my question is still pretty far down the road....BUT in reality, I can't help but wonder! How far away do you think we are from slipping on VR glasses and experiencing SL through the eyes of our avitars? Lift your arm and your AV lifts its arm...sure we have mouselook, but what about the truely immersive experience? A true virtual gathering that doesn't feel like you're sitting at a PC. Maybe this has already been done by some college or university. I don't know, but the concept seems plausible. Could SL's servers handle that kind of data? Would major hardware upgrades need to be put into place? Would it even be affordable for residents? The technology is there for the gaming world...why not SL? Fun tidbit: LL was originally going to be a VR hardware company, and Second Life was originally its test environment for VR headsets.  |
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Elora Lunasea
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01-02-2008 20:00
Ok, the visual on that really cracked me up...I could see that happening. Though the visual I got was more of fry from futurama on his bed in a white t-shirt and underwear wearing a huge VR helmet... Maybe that's what that Hypnotoad was all about? Replacement for the helmets? _____________________
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2k Suisei
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01-02-2008 20:13
Some people say that in the future we'll be able to go inside our TVs.
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Sarah Nikitin
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01-02-2008 20:41
I think what originally spawned this thought was that I was watching "The LawnMower Man". That film was circa 1992 or 93 and the concept of full blown VR was incredible! After spending time in SL, it just seems like a marriage waiting to happen. If it's true that LL was going to use SL for a VR testbed, that supports the concept even further.
Would it be a bad thing!? I'd say perhaps it very well could be! I just thought that someone somewhere must have experimented with it by now...like I mentioned, it would be great for MIT or some other technology education. I have seen the YouTube videos where people can move their avatars with simple thoughts. Some school is working on that. I don't really want it in my head, but it would be fun to experience first hand. Yeah, I see the drool now! |
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Snowman Jiminy
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01-02-2008 21:10
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Snowman Jiminy
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01-02-2008 21:13
Fun tidbit: LL was originally going to be a VR hardware company, and Second Life was originally its test environment for VR headsets. Oh really? Got any links? _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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01-02-2008 21:30
Oh really? Got any links? http://web.archive.org/web/20010303083652/http://www.lindenlab.com/ Linden Lab is a privately held technology company building next generation software **and hardware** products to enable massively distributed, **totally immersive** virtual reality for gaming and simulation. It was founded in 1999 by Philip Rosedale, former CTO of RealNetworks. The company is located in the Hayes Valley area of downtown San Francisco. And this was the first time they had anything like Second Life running, although it wasn't called that, back then..: http://web.archive.org/web/20020325155619/http://lindenlab.com/ LindenWorld is an organic online world lived in and built by its participants - a new medium for creative self-expression, social interaction, and fun. Publicly available later this year. And now, the magical transition: http://web.archive.org/web/20021014085132/http://lindenlab.com/index.html LindenWorld. An organic online world lived in and built by its participants - a new medium for creative self-expression, social interaction, and fun. Publicly available later this year. http://web.archive.org/web/20021120130906/http://lindenlab.com/ Second Life: Explore a 3D online world lived in and built by its participants - a new medium for creative self-expression, social interaction, and fun, where you can be or do almost anything. You can fly. You can discover. You can create a masterpiece-or an empire. If you can imagine it, you can do it here. It's also amusing to notice that the beta was previewed by GameSpot.com and GameGal.com... and the GameGal.com preview is still up! So yes, there was a time when it wasn't a "platform". http://www.gamegal.com/secondlif/ Don't click on the words "Second Life" in the review though, they send you to lindenworld.com |
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Wildefire Walcott
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01-02-2008 21:38
Phreak Interactive is doing some work in this direction. They've got projection booths for an omnimax-type SL experience:
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-02-2008 22:43
I'd like to see the Cisco Telepresence people work on making SL give the same sense of being real as their normal real images do . Jusr for the fun on it.
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Very Keynes
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01-03-2008 02:55
How about a driver for this
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