Please Help Find a Missing Person: Jenifer Martinek

ROFL people in SL are so hilarious. Its the old standard in internet fun for people. Post a completely BS story and pin it in a few areas where you know the gossip and drama is rampant. Like the SL forums.

So you like drama and laughing at others, is that what you're saying? ;P

A lot of us are rather well insulated from the "epic lulz" mentality that occurs on the net like at 4chans /b/ or whatever. A friend of mine used to give me links to crap there but some of it is so horribly ugly and racist that it is simply not worth going there, ever.

I like laughing at people when its warranted. And people falling for one of the oldest internet "games" is humorous. As far as drama? Not so much.> But looking at your post count I'm willing to bet that you enjoy it quite a bit. Especially since you always seem to have a comment.

Exactly and some get their LuLz by planting stories like this to just start the drama. Thats why I don't buy into it. It has way too many holes in the story.

Hallie? LOL.

What does post count have to do with drama? That is a total projection on your part.

Do you understand the purpose of the forum? People ask for help or opinions, and others can give their input. Your posts, so far, seem mostly bent on ridiculing those who disagree with your point of view. Since you wanted to get personal about it.

Yeah I'm posting a lot today. That's my concern. If you don't like my posts, feel free to skim over them, or put me on your ignore list. No skin off my backside.

No I'm not hallie but that would point out that you probably comment a lot and start drama. Seems now your paranoid I'm someone who previously attacked you in another thread.

My point is made by you completely changing the topic from what it originated to your own personal discussion with me. So I stand by what I said. You seem to like drama Clarissa.

Oh please. I was JOKING. Note the "LOL."

I could care less what you think of me. And, I've changed the topic? No I didn't. I have discussed it all the way through, until you chose to change it by making it personal. As you stated, though, you like to laugh at drama, so I shouldn't be surprised if you tried to instigate some of your own. Shame on me for biting.

p.s. /me votes for "paranoid" or "tin foil hat" used in place of cogent argument, as another form of thread godwin.

Personally, I believe it to be a hoax.

But I join those who say it's better to behave as if it were real (i.e., treat it seriously) and be later proved wrong, than to treat it as a hoax and later find out it was real.

I think that those who posted a real name (if that's what it was) inworld in mass IMs were wrong to do so.

But--again, from a belief that it's better to try to be helpful even if one has doubts about the legitimacy of the claim--I think it IS reasonable and potentially helpful to give the avatar name and say 'this person has been reported missing, can you help, do you know the person....' [I think that passing along the email was a mistake, along with passing along the real name. An alternate form of communication that wouldn't require passing along a working email should have been suggested, instead.]

I disagree with the contention that doing so is harmful due to making people more likely to be skeptical of the next such claim. The contention itself is illogical, because you can't refrain from publishing a hoax if you don't know that it's a hoax.

And as of now, we DON'T know.

Wasn't it obvious I was joking as well? I really don't care what you think of me either.. Its a forum relax LOL.

No it wasn't clear - name calling isn't that funny.

If for instance... you knew the girl who was missing in SL. And you happened to know her personal information. If you had heard of this "missing person story" would you have disclosed any of the information you knew about her to them?

I would hope not. You have no idea who is really trying to get information about this woman. If she exists at all. She could be missing for one. She could also have an abusive ex that is looking for her, or her new SL boyfriend.

I don't think its a good idea to always "behave as if it were real" first. In some cases of stalking thats the LAST thing anyone should have done. Heck anyone even acknowledging she was in game could have gotten this chick severely beaten by a jealous boyfriend/husband/ ex lover.

What name calling? Oh you mean when you called me hallie? Yeah thats a bit uncalled for.

No.

I would called concierge (or put in a ticket if I couldn't call concierge) and say "I do know the person who's the subject of mass IMs. If there is any chance that a crime has been committed, I can tell what I know to the proper authorities."

If it really were a case of a missing person, then that status would become public fairly quickly.

If it's not a genuine case of a missing person, then my information would not be needed.

Like you, I would be thinking of the possibilities that the person looking for the missing woman did not have her welfare in mind. So I would limit my discussion of anything I knew to telling LL that I'd be willing to share information with accredited authorities.

I wouldn't do nothing. That would be cowardly.

No. Not that I believe you don't know - but calling someone "paranoid" is hardly a kind thing to do. Not to mention the pot/kettle "you love drama" b.s.

Oh and the "post count" attempt at an insult, lame as it was. Why do people trying to take a smack at someone in a forum think that means anything? Or accusing me of derailing the thread. Or your smacks at Briana, for that matter. I mean, your contribution in the thread has mostly been along those lines, yet you criticise other people's?

Oh but you called me Hallie which joking or not would have made you paranoid joking or not. And you were the one who asked if I liked drama. I never said I did either way until I responded to your comment. Either way you would like to spin this drama around Clarissa its pretty apparent I was right about one thing. You do like the drama LOL.. <<< see I added a LOL so it makes it ok doesn't it? Isn't that how you do it Clarissa. hehe BTW I was ONLY joking I'm sorry if your net feelings got hurt. I really do apologize and hope we can get along in the future. Your opinion means so very much to me. LOL <<<

This is why I asked if you liked drama and laughing at people. Isn't that what you just said, here?



Sorry you find me so fascinating, Texan. Must be difficult for you.

You seem pretty intent on continuing to comment to me. LOL. The reason I made the comment about you appearing to like drama is because you seem to not be able to stop commenting to people once you start. Your one of them clucking hens that need the last word apparently always. And if you can't you have your friends chime in LOL BTW I am just joking. Relax its a forum. I'm sure there are many other informative posts you can assist in.

Like the OP of that other thread, you do the same thing you take someone else to task for.

What you mistake (couldn't be more wrong) as a preference for drama is actually a dislike for someone who seems to gloat in insulting others. They never like a taste of their own medicine - you're proof of that.

I don't "have my friends chime in." I don't go behind the scenes and try to rally anybody. That's in your imagination. As for "clucking hens" I find that term to be sexist.

People bicker a fair amount on the forums actually. To single one or two people out just seems like trolling. To only single out women seems sexist as well. And I do mostly post to help other people - it's only if someone's being a jerk that I stop and ask them why they are being a jerk. But thing is, if someone's intent on being an arse, they will be. So I should really learn to not respond to troll bait.

You kept taking shots at others, then posted that you like to laugh at the drama. It's a bit disingenuous if you then feign astonishment anyone would call you on it. You seem unable to argue your position WITHOUT insulting people who disagree. So to then accuse someone else of being a "clucking hen" or "liking drama" is a bit of a laugh, really.

And alas....Sighs you just don't quit do you.

I think perhaps your still a bit out of line. First I'm not the person from the other thread who attacked you. I have no need for alts to attack you or anyone else on a forum.

My comment about your drama was due to the fact you can't let sleeping dogs lie after you have obviously been the one at fault.. ie assuming I was someone else when I have nothing to do with anyone who already can't stand you.

As far as being sexist I do find you to be a clucking hen or a clucking rooster frankly. And you implying I'm a jerk would be equally sexist if you must go there. Seems to be a lot of these things you've brought up are kinda the pot calling the kettle black.

As for singling anyone out, I haven't done anything like that. My short number of posts can be read easily as they were all written today. But you on the other hand thought I was a person who started a thread about you earlier. Which I am not. So I'm afraid that would probably give you reason to single me out in your mind. Which apparently you have done.

I didn't take shots at other people. I've just been trying to contribute to posts aside from responding to your un ending comments towards me.

And as far as me saying I liked to laugh at the drama? I don't believe that was how I stated it after you directly asked me a question about liking drama and laughing at other people. See you seem to be the one to have brought a lot of this up, or out yourself.

I have no reason to troll here, but you seem to be the one trying to definitely bait someone into an argument all day long. Fortunately not everyone has tried to bait me into an argument and I see a lot of bright people who are willing to discuss and carry on in an appropriate manner.

so what's going on in here? did we ever find the missing girl?

If being made to look foolish were the only worry, then perhaps I would agree.

In RL I would suspicious, to say the least, if I were approached by a perfect stranger with requests for information about the whereabouts of a supposedly missing person, whom we must assume is an adult since she's in SL, particularly if the request came in the form of "please contact this private email address" rather than "please ask her to contact her parents" (presumably she knows her parents' email address).

And if the request came at second hand, even via a friend whose judgment I did trust and whose work on behalf of Amnesty International I greatly admired, I would still ask my friend for further and better particulars unless my friend were passing on an official request from Amnesty, because I know that people's good nature and desire to help sometimes overcomes their good judgment.

I have contacted Amnesty-E asking if they know, for a fact, that this woman is missing, that the email is, in fact, that of her father and if they have good reason to believe she would wish to be found by the person to whom the email address belongs. I have yet to hear back from them.

Until I do, I am treating this matter with the same caution I would apply to similar requests in RL.

I disagree that it's better to pass along information that has no foundation on the chance that it might be real rather than risk it being real and not passing it along. If everyone passed along every piece of information they received this way, without examining it critically, we would quite quickly have a noise to signal ratio that renders the entire exercise. And I absolutely reject the idea that rumour, innuendo and false information do anything to make anyone safer anywhere.

In most cases where there is an actual missing persons case being investigated, the information is far more specific than the info given here as are the instructions about what to do if one has more information (all criticisms of the Brazilian criminal justice system aside).

[edited to add "every" up there...]

I'll just make a quick weigh in on this. I mean, really, what can anyone do to help find this person? Hire an International Private Detective? Basically unless you personally know the person in question, there is next to nothing one can do, no matter how much you may want to.

As such, this kind of plea really doesn't do any good to anyone. And given the fact that there is a pretty good chance it's fraudulent, I would find it against my better judgement to pass it around. But that's just my personal take. I understand people's desire to help, but so do scammers, they count on exploiting that kind of heartfelt reaction.

This!

Anyone ever heard of the story of the boy who cried "wolf"? Anyone recall exactly what happened in the story when a real wolf actually appeared? The exact same thing can happen here. When we get bombarded by unsubstantiated rumors and hoaxes of this nature, nobody will care anymore when a real report comes through. Besides, if this were real (which I am 99% sure is not), it is very unlikely that first reports would come through chain-mailed group notices with extremely vague details. First reports would come through official news channels.