Selling an avatar?

Problems are some of thes avies are ex griefters.......and LLABS knows it.

if the person is willing to sell it to YOU, quietly and discretely, and you nor they never ever tell anyone, I don't see how LL will ever know you received the password.

Seriously?! Wow! *stores this information away*

I CAN see how someone would want the account though with all the benefits a lifetime account brings plus 4 years of inventory to boot. Not to mention the 40 pair of boots I own!

angel

There was a time.........But now with free signups........ Remeber those that where given 4096 worth of land FREE tiers. Some sold their avie names for a nice price on ebay/ yahoo etc.........

Nice to see a oldie hanging around the forum

But we all know you as Marianna Little. Your avatar, your shape, you clothes and attitude. This is what defines you. Why change just for a name? What's in a name? A rose by any other name will still poke holes in your fingers causing nasty infections. Somthing like that, I can't seem to remember the line, it is so obscure.

Proper notice and documentaiton doesn't necessarily mean asking permission first. If you put your account into your will, then die, the executor will have to give notice to LL that you did so and will probably have to provide a death certificate or some other notice, like probate papers, etc. if they are applicable. It's not difficult to get those documents, and LL probably just wants a paper trail to cover their butts.

The problem with transferring your account this way is that you would actually have to die - in real life, not Second Life. That part would suck.

Hmm - I wonder if you could transfer your account to a trust. That would be sort of interesting.

Read it closey................... This is one of my main points.........This doesnt matter or doesnt apply. because LLABS has changed (names)or sold accounts to others belonging to Griefters...... Don`t believe some of those saying drama stories here.....people don`t lose account based on simple minded statements some say here. They are well known griefter accounts. Its nowonder they lost their account. ( with problem about said person(s)) did sell their account knowing( LLABS allowed for some strange reason) But later found out and corrected(more like a a favor done by a LLABS friend).........shakeshead...

I don't know maybe I'm not seeing this but why would anyone want to buy an avie when all you need to do is transfer the items over to yourself. A lot of money invested in what? Wouldn't that be just skin and hair?

In fighting games it's different as you get the skills, abilities and powers the avie has but in sl there's none of that to consider.

Not all items can be transfered - in fact recently more and more items are becoming no transfer it seems - Hair has always been major one because most allow you to copy hair.
You dont tend to find both Copy and Transfer around, its one or the other if at all.

Not to mention that skins are some of the most expensive items in SL. If I was leaving SL, I might be bummed about the L$ lost in skins and hair. Fortunately, I'm not.

Not bummed or not leaving? The inability to transfer things is the primary reason why I haven't started using an alt more than I have. The really good stuff I have is all no transfer.

We don't "own" a thing in SL...not even our Avi.But people sure love to pay them

and "buy" land and pretend (RP) they "own" it.

They can even print their own money and cash it out.

Nice work if you can get it.

But they say they will take a new soul....errr.....I mean person....who is willed the transfer.......

Actually, the TOS says that you can't transfer your av to another person without LL approval OR a will. You can always contact LL and try to get them to approve it. You don't even have to die. (at least, not yet)

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Usagi

Thanks, Usagi. Actually those with a lifetime account still get 4096 worth of land free of monthly tier payment. This is one of the reasons why a lifetime account would still be valuable. For those that have more than one lifetime account and there are oldbies out there with multiple lifetime accounts, you could have a pretty nice plot of land with minimal tier payments. They still receive the 500L stipend/week too as long as they continue to pay for a premium account, and when it's only $72/year, it definitely pays to be premium.

angel

Correct! everything is free for them and what you say about having more then one lifetime account. You can own a island! That alone is worth the having mult lifetime accounts. That I never thought about.............$72.00 year is worth the being a Premium member!......But didnt have their years fee free as well?

Oops, I think I was reading "written will" as "it is my will that..." not last will and testament. Yes, dying would be counter-productive.

My build mule has easily 200 bucks US investied in scripts and tools for building alone. Clothes, hair and skins: another 200 -- she was also my model. Then there are the scripts and tools for running a store. Vendor boards, product and update servers, and a ton of little gadgits that just make life easier. So, all told US$500 easily. probably closer to 750. That's static, no transfer stuff.

Now let's assume she still had her business up and running. If I sold the store name, all builds and textures. lock stock and barrel, the new owner could take over. But if you want any new products to have the same creator to satisfy the current customer base, you need to put a monitary value on that as well. There is noting concrete, just the abstract value of her reputation.

Granted my build mules rep is nil. How much do you think Robin Sojurner's name and reputation are worth?

Just a thought. It's more than skin and hair.

I have been offered a few businesses in SL - and to tranfer a business, it will usually mean transferring an account, how else would you know the person is not going to just carry on trading or even call you thief for selling their stuff, you would have no legal claim to anything.

I have, up to now, not been able to get the lindens to reply to my enquiries about whether this would be possible.

But it seems to me that it will HAVE to be soon. There are many valuable businesses funning in SL now. People sometimes have to leave the game for various reasons. If the Lindens don't provide a way of transfering accounts to transfer businesses they will not be taken seriously as providing proper support to trade in SL. Besides, there are loads of people who have just done so anyway. it takes seconds for someone to email a password, after that, the new 'puppeteer' takes command of the account, and that is that.

The Lindens could be cashing in on this, hehe, if they charged a wee 'transfer fee' for legitimate businesses.

Transferring an account with payment info without LL knowing about it would seem quite risky (for the seller).

If the person buying the account does something that warrants RL criminal investigation LL will get subpoenaed and you'll find someone knocking on your door because the account is/was in your name (all of us that are old enough had to enter name, address, etc separate from billing in order to sign up and that's still on record with no way to change it) making you the primary suspect.

*smacks self in head* You are right. I don't have to pay for the premium membership. I do for my alt accounts, but not for this one. Perhaps memory loss effects old avatars too?

Well memory loss is do to a older data base you avie is stored on Many that have Life Time memberships also have support accounts to hold land tiers as well....But the weekly pay is indeed as you say 500l per week..

Usagi

Regardless of the TOS verbage,

I do remember reading when this topic has come up the half so dozen times in the past that LL has transfered accounts in some cases.

Mainly for the sale of a SL business.

The price I remember was stated at $100 US.

Also it required going to LL and asking of course, which is a lot different than trying to wiggle around the TOS.

Doesn't hurt to ask .. Of course the 100$ US price tag precludes most people's active inventories.

If you do ask then decide you don't like LL's answer then I wouldn't recommend trying to sneak it at that point especially! LOL.