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Innula Zenovka
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08-27-2009 16:47
From: Mecha Innis
The script says syntax error when I put it in.
Shouldn't do.. compiles for me. I will drop you a copy off in world.
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08-27-2009 17:47
I think you ought to have it call "owner = llGetOwner();" in on_rez as well. Or just in touch_start.
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08-27-2009 19:58
Do AR's where people are camming into to the spaces of others and touching their things really get any action? Is it even against the TOS/CS except when maybe done as harassment?
I get that all the time and just ignore people and they go away.
If people are AR'ing for this kind of thing a lot then it is no wonder LL is too paralysed to deal with the more urgent AR types.
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08-27-2009 20:24
I'm guessing this isn't camming, but the neighbor is going in and switching the OP's music player. There the OP is, happily listening to their favorite tunes, and suddenly the song switches off, or over to something else, or whatever...

- And that has definately got to be AR-able.
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08-27-2009 20:35
From: Pussycat Catnap
I'm guessing this isn't camming, but the neighbor is going in and switching the OP's music player. There the OP is, happily listening to their favorite tunes, and suddenly the song switches off, or over to something else, or whatever...

- And that has definately got to be AR-able.
Read the OP, it clearly says "using his camera".
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Kidd Krasner
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08-27-2009 20:50
From: Gabriele Graves
Read the OP, it clearly says "using his camera".

It doesn't matter whether the neighbor is moving his camera or going in himself, either way the allegation is that he's changing the parcel media settings using the player object.
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08-27-2009 21:13
From: Kidd Krasner
It doesn't matter whether the neighbor is moving his camera or going in himself, either way the allegation is that he's changing the parcel media settings using the player object.
It doesn't matter to you perhaps but is that how LL see it? Will an AR for camming in an using objects on another person's parcel result in action? I would like someone to respond who actually knows from experience.
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08-27-2009 21:26
From: Gabriele Graves
Read the OP, it clearly says "using his camera".


Actually it says what I suggested:

From: Mecha Innis
A player has been using his camera to cross into my house and touch my computer player



From: Mecha Innis
touch my computer player
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08-27-2009 21:30
From: Pussycat Catnap
Actually it says what I suggested:
Then I am confused because what you said was this:

From: Pussycat Catnap
I'm guessing this isn't camming
To which I replied:

From: Gabriele Graves
it clearly says "using his camera".
Which I should have expanded to "using his camera to cross into my house" which indicates camming to me.

How can it not be camming if he is using his camera to cross into another person's house?
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08-27-2009 21:43
Hmmm...

From: Mecha Innis
touch my computer player

From: Mecha Innis
touch my computer player

From: Mecha Innis
touch my computer player
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08-27-2009 21:48
From: Pussycat Catnap
Hmmm...
WTH has touching their computer got to do with whether they cammed to do it or walked on to the property? They can touch stuff whilst camming you know.

They did not enter that person's parcel to touch their items - they were camming (which makes you wrong in any sense of the definition), hence the issue - are they trespassing from a LL perspective or not? There are controls to stop people getting on your land but not to stop them camming.

Your spammy post really did miss the point.
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08-27-2009 21:53
I'm sorry how is it an AR offence? Because he cammed or because he clicked something??
I dont see this as being a AR offence.
If everyone ARed everyone who clicked on something LL would never FIX their client cause they to busy being baby sitters.
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There is NO privacy in SL! I can cam you anytime I wish and I can touch your avatar to. I can touch you anywhere I wish! I can touch your house, I can touch your player, I can touch your fish and I can touch your cat.
(sorry am in a Dr seuss hunt and ... well)
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08-27-2009 21:54
From: Tarina Sewell
I'm sorry how is it an AR offence? Because he cammed or because he clicked something??
I dont see this as being a AR offence.
If everyone ARed everyone who clicked on something LL would never FIX their client cause they to busy being baby sitters.
Thank you! :) I was beginning to think I was going mad over here. If this is what the Lindens have to deal with as AR's then it is no wonder nothing else gets done.
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Mecha Innis
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08-27-2009 22:06
The point is when I'm trying to watch my slides or movies or listen to my favourite song, he prevents me from doing so and prevents me from using gadgets that I bought with real money. That is a major infraction because that is what I mainly do inworld.
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08-27-2009 22:11
From: Mecha Innis
The point is when I'm trying to watch my slides or movies or listen to my favourite song, he prevents me from doing so and prevents me from using gadgets that I bought with real money. That is a major infraction because that is what I mainly do inworld.


any way to check to see if maybe your music and or films are also showing up on his parcel?
that could be one reason why he is camming into your home and turning off your music and or computer.
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08-27-2009 22:49
From: Mecha Innis
The point is when I'm trying to watch my slides or movies or listen to my favourite song, he prevents me from doing so and prevents me from using gadgets that I bought with real money. That is a major infraction because that is what I mainly do inworld.
I understand this and I can understand how annoying that it is also. Really though the only things you can do have been suggested. As they had already been suggested I wanted to explore whether LL see this as an AR'able offense as that advice had been given also.

Actually there is one or two other things you can do:

1) See if you can wear your media device as a HUD, it may need some rotation and moving around but then he will not be able to click on it. That way you save prims too as it is not out all the time either. You only wear it when you want to change what you are listening to or watching.

2) Move your house into the sky to an altitude he is unlikely to find, if he does find it move it all again to another height. You can go up to 4096 metres.
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Airt Pexington
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08-27-2009 23:59
From: Mecha Innis
The point is when I'm trying to watch my slides or movies or listen to my favourite song, he prevents me from doing so and prevents me from using gadgets that I bought with real money. That is a major infraction because that is what I mainly do inworld.
Its called Harassment. AR the sad git under this category.
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08-28-2009 00:05
From: Kidd Krasner
It doesn't matter whether the neighbor is moving his camera or going in himself, either way the allegation is that he's changing the parcel media settings using the player object.
That does open up another possibility. Just putting him on the parcel ban list. I don't think you can touch objects that are on a parcel you're banned from.
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08-28-2009 02:01
From: Rhonda Huntress
Res a box and stretch it to cover the player. Set the textures to "*default transparent" - you can find it in your library. There you go, cover the player with a prim that does nothing.

If you need to get to the player, press Ctrl+Alt+T to highlight transparent objects and then lift the cover up and away. Hit Ctrl+Alt+T to turn off the highlights when done.

If you really want to be paranoid, you can add a script to the cover that will IM you the name of the person that touches it.

[ETA]

Here is a quick script to use.

default{
touch_start(integer total_number) {
llOwnerSay(0, "Touched by "+llDetectedName(0);
}
}

It will tell you the name of whoever touches it.


I would be tempted to replace OwnerSay line with
llShout(0, "Stop fondling me "+llDetectedName(0);
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Mecha Innis
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08-28-2009 07:49
Thanks for the scripts and advice guys guys. When I took out
CODE
 it successfully compiled.

However, there are two problems. The transparent box works beautifully over the object until you right click and select touch, which allows you to touch the object although the box is over it. If you try to just touch it by left clicking, you can't. A contradiction?

Also, the script does give the person a warning but it doesn't notify me about who is trying to touch it.
sable Valentine
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08-28-2009 07:52
From: Mecha Innis
Thanks for the scripts and advice guys guys. When I took out
CODE
 it successfully compiled.

However, there are two problems. The transparent box works beautifully over the object until you right click and select touch, which allows you to touch the object although the box is over it. If you try to just touch it by left clicking, you can't. A contradiction?

Also, the script does give the person a warning but it doesn't notify me about who is trying to touch it.


When you get this all figured out, please let us know what happened with the neighbor. I'm particularily interested in when you capture him attempting to touch it and his reaction when he learns he has been caught. :D
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08-31-2009 08:18
An update:

The scripts work! It doesn't actually send me an IM that I can see if i'm not online and log on later but if I'm online, the notification comes like a chat.

The creator modified the computer player for "owner use only". Still trying to contact the slide projector creator to have him modify that as well for owner use only.

Nevertheless, I'm still keeping the transparent boxes with the scripts over the items so that I can know if anyone is trying to interfere with it while I'm using it to grief me. This was excellent advice and the solution was very simple.

However, I would recommend all content creators ensure that their scripted products can be configured for "owner use only" because if it is not, it provides griefing opportunities for mischievous minds.

I also used this solution to block my door which cannot be locked. Why do creators make doors that cannot be locked?
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08-31-2009 09:56
From: Mecha Innis

I also used this solution to block my door which cannot be locked. Why do creators make doors that cannot be locked?

Because they're using a very old freebie door script that didn't bother with security, and they haven't found a need to use anything better. People who make homes, skyboxes, furniture, etc. are generally more into the visual design and less into scripting, so they'll either use freebie scripts, buy scripts, or get someone else to do them. Of course, there are people who do both, but I believe this generalization is as accurate as generalizations go.
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08-31-2009 11:29
It is very easy to get through "locked" doors.

1 - Open map and double click to a spot on the other side.
2 - Cam in and "sit" on anything that has a sit target. Pose ball, posing stand, chair, whatever.
3 - Res a plywood cube, highlight it in edit mode, sit on it then move through the prim the door.
Mecha Innis
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08-31-2009 12:10
Ha, thanks Rhonda. The lesson is don't do anything behind closed doors in SL that you wouldn't want anyone to see. (I wonder what that could be?)

Seriously, I actually don't mind people coming in to see the place when I'm not there. In fact that's the whole point, so that others can see and marvel and give compliments like, "Wow, this place is great. Wish I had a place like this."

However, it can be annoying when I'm there and busy. Most people are polite enough not to enter when they know I'm there and if they do, by mistake, they apologize and leave.

There is a way to overcome most restrictions but most people don't have the time and energy. Most people after being refused entry after touching a door will simply leave because it will indicate to them that the owner doesn't want to be disturbed. The few that ignore the message, can be ejected and banned.

The important thing is that gadgets are made "owner use only", so that people can't mess with it. For example, you might want to keep your vehicle on display on your land without someone driving it away or changing the position, although it will eventually be returned to you inventory. Most vehicles are protected though. You might have private pictures on a slide that you don't want for public access, and you might not want to have to take it and rez and re-position everytime that you want to use it. You might have a video player and not want people watching porn on it. So these items need to be restricted so that they can remain rezzed on your land.

So that's the solution really. There really is no privacy in SL.
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