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Shauna Daviau

clearly has issues

Join date: 12 Sep 2007

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01-10-2008 09:03

If you buy land from someone (on a sim that they own) and have a disagreement, can they throw you off the sim? Just trying to think of any potential downfalls here. Any advice?

PS. If we go ahead with this, anybody want to buy a really nice waterfront 6144 lot?

26000L asking price. Residential, Circular Ki. GREAT management, awesome neighbors and no lag. IM me through the forums if interested.

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Xplorer Cannoli

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01-10-2008 09:06

sounds like your getting ripped off.

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Claire Silverspar

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01-10-2008 09:06

Yes. The landowner has the ultimate say so. And LL can't do anything as they don't get involved with resident disputes unless it goes against the TOS.
Effectively you are just renting on a private sim. Even if it is just a one off payment, they still own the land. Unless you buy mainland you are in another resident's hands

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Okiphia Anatine

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Join date: 22 Nov 2007

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01-10-2008 09:08

From: Shauna Daviau

If you buy land from someone (on a sim that they own) and have a disagreement, can they throw you off the sim? Just trying to think of any potential downfalls here. Any advice?

PS. If we go ahead with this, anybody want to buy a really nice waterfront 6144 lot?

26000L asking price. Residential, Circular Ki. GREAT management, awesome neighbors and no lag. IM me through the forums if interested.

Yes they can, at any ime, even if you just paid rent. All your items would be returned to you though, so no loss there (Well.. should be returned anyway)

So.thats the main downfall really.. maybe even the only one lol

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If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine

Xplorer Cannoli

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Join date: 18 Sep 2005

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01-10-2008 09:12

From: Xplorer Cannoli

sounds like your getting ripped off.

let me add to that. I hit the button too quickly.

With estate regions, many allow you to begin paying tier with no money down. 20k+ for something you do not own seems excessive to me, however the owner may be offering more than described here.

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Shauna Daviau

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Join date: 12 Sep 2007

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01-10-2008 09:17

The 26K is the price i am asking for the land i currently own if we were to move.

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Shauna Daviau

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Join date: 12 Sep 2007

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01-10-2008 09:18

Also, let's say he boots us from his property in that scenario. Would he have to refund what we paid him for the land?

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Raymond Figtree

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Join date: 17 May 2006

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01-10-2008 09:18

From: Shauna Daviau

The 26K is the price i am asking for the land i currently own if we were to move.

Advertise this part of your adventure in the land sales forum.

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Shauna Daviau

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Join date: 12 Sep 2007

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01-10-2008 09:19

From: Raymond Figtree

Advertise this part of your adventure in the land sales forum.

Will do

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Okiphia Anatine

Okiphia Rayna

Join date: 22 Nov 2007

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01-10-2008 09:20

From: Shauna Daviau

Also, let's say he boots us from his property in that scenario. Would he have to refund what we paid him for the land?

Never.

He can boot you immediately after you pay, and LL won't make him reimburse you, ever. Sux riet?

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Raymond Figtree

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Join date: 17 May 2006

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01-10-2008 09:21

From: Shauna Daviau

Also, let's say he boots us from his property in that scenario. Would he have to refund what we paid him for the land?

LL does not get involved in resident to resident disputes. You would be out of luck. Choose your partners wisely.

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Milla Alexandre

Join date: 22 Jan 2007

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01-10-2008 10:35

Tricky area to tread. Unless he groups the land and makes you an owner....but there again.... he can still take you out of the group at any time. So....it's really a matter of how well you know & trust this person. I would never ever partner on a sim with anyone except maybe family. I'd love to own my own sim....but until I can do it myself with no help.... I wouldn't even consider taking a gamble like that. It's bad enough I have 3 parcels of land on a private sim now LOL

Okiphia Anatine

Okiphia Rayna

Join date: 22 Nov 2007

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01-10-2008 10:36

From: Milla Alexandre

Tricky area to tread. Unless he groups the land and makes you an owner....but there again.... he can still take you out of the group at any time. So....it's really a matter of how well you know & trust this person. I would never ever partner on a sim with anyone except maybe family. I'd love to own my own sim....but until I can do it myself with no help.... I wouldn't even consider taking a gamble like that. It's bad enough I have 3 parcels of land on a private sim now LOL

you can't kick owners from a group actually.. I've tried.

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If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine

Amulya Aabye

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Join date: 25 May 2007

Posts: 22

01-10-2008 11:14

True, but one could always set group-deeded land to sale to themselves and get it back.....group-deeding doesn't seem to be that much of a protection, right?

Okiphia Anatine

Okiphia Rayna

Join date: 22 Nov 2007

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01-10-2008 11:16

From: Amulya Aabye

True, but one could always set group-deeded land to sale to themselves and get it back.....group-deeding doesn't seem to be that much of a protection, right?

ooh..thats always annoying.

But... hmm.. unless.. hmmm.. lol

With mainland they would need the tier but not for a private estate =(

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If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine

Ordinal Malaprop

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01-10-2008 11:22

Is he serious about developing and maintaining it, does he have proper plans and any sense, or is this just a whim of his? Is he a reliable sort of type? Is he a good acquaintance or just somebody you know?

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Shauna Daviau

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Join date: 12 Sep 2007

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01-10-2008 11:38

He's a good friend, bought this one and if it goes well will buy more. This is his pilot project. He is reliable.

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Ceera Murakami

Texture Artist / Builder

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 7,750

01-10-2008 11:50

Well, if the person is trustworthy, it can go well. A friend of mine bought a sim. His group only really needed half a sim, so he approached my houshold and one other household about going in with him on it. In my case, the friend didn't ask for up-front fees. Just that I pay my fair share of the maintenance fees each month. Sweet deal, for me. However... If he got hit by a truck tomorrow, and couldn't work or make his part of the payments... I am SOL.

It's the same anywhere, though, unless you own the land directly. If you buy or rent on a private sim, or rent on the mainland, you have a landlord, and that landlord has no regulation or 'fair business practices' rules to abide by in SL.

Make sure he is capable of meeting his end of the deal, and that his plans don't include unreasonable assumptions like "Oh, I'll put a mini-mall in one corner, an' if I charge this much and fill every merchant space, I'll break even!" Never assume that paying tenants will fill the capacity of a sim. They rarely will.

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3Ring Binder

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01-10-2008 15:05

26k for 6144 waterfront?

where?

Shauna Daviau

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Join date: 12 Sep 2007

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01-10-2008 18:23

From: 3Ring Binder

26k for 6144 waterfront?

where?

circular ki. IM me in world

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FD Spark

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Join date: 30 Oct 2006

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01-10-2008 19:10

26k for 6144 waterfront? Hmm it's good price even if it isn't because standard price right now for regular land is about L$8 to 7 a meter right now. I just paid 9850 for 1024m2 twice for 2048 which was about 20700L.

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01-10-2008 19:24

From: Shauna Daviau

circular ki.

Isn't that a convenience store?

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3Ring Binder

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01-10-2008 22:07

From: Shauna Daviau

circular ki. IM me in world

i can't be inworld until tomorrow. i'll write then.

Chas Connolly

Registered User

Join date: 24 Jan 2007

Posts: 1,433

01-11-2008 01:25

I don't get this. Are you talking about buying land that you won't own outright?

And is the land you're selling on a private sim, so anyone who 'buys' it can still be evicted at the owner's whim?

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Ciaran Laval

Mostly Harmless

Join date: 11 Mar 2007

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01-11-2008 02:32

From: Milla Alexandre

Tricky area to tread. Unless he groups the land and makes you an owner....but there again.... he can still take you out of the group at any time. So....it's really a matter of how well you know & trust this person.

He doesn't even need to do that on an estate. The reclaim land button is just one click away.

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Shauna Daviau clearly has issues Join date: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 92	01-10-2008 09:03 If you buy land from someone (on a sim that they own) and have a disagreement, can they throw you off the sim? Just trying to think of any potential downfalls here. Any advice? PS. If we go ahead with this, anybody want to buy a really nice waterfront 6144 lot? 26000L asking price. Residential, Circular Ki. GREAT management, awesome neighbors and no lag. IM me through the forums if interested. _____________________ I used to lose my temper in arguments, until someone told me, "Cooler heads prevail." Thus began my collection in the basement freezer. -- John H. Crocker
Xplorer Cannoli Cache Cleaner Join date: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,131	01-10-2008 09:06 sounds like your getting ripped off. _____________________ Region Names for a Themed Shopping Experience: New Region: Gifts Accessories, Art, Avatars, Cars, Clothes, Clothing, Fashion, Fashions, Furnishings, Furniture, Gadgets, Games, Gifts, Hair, Jewellery, Jewelry, Mall, Men, Money, Music, Pets, Shoes, Shopping, Skin, Skins, Something, Women, X Attractions: Explore our new park at HOME New Racetrack at CAR WEAPONS Region Now Open!
Claire Silverspar Pokes Badgers With Spoons Join date: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,375	01-10-2008 09:06 Yes. The landowner has the ultimate say so. And LL can't do anything as they don't get involved with resident disputes unless it goes against the TOS. Effectively you are just renting on a private sim. Even if it is just a one off payment, they still own the land. Unless you buy mainland you are in another resident's hands _____________________ I'll miss this damn place. I'll be over at SCII after the end has come.
Okiphia Anatine Okiphia Rayna Join date: 22 Nov 2007 Posts: 454	01-10-2008 09:08 From: Shauna Daviau If you buy land from someone (on a sim that they own) and have a disagreement, can they throw you off the sim? Just trying to think of any potential downfalls here. Any advice? PS. If we go ahead with this, anybody want to buy a really nice waterfront 6144 lot? 26000L asking price. Residential, Circular Ki. GREAT management, awesome neighbors and no lag. IM me through the forums if interested. Yes they can, at any ime, even if you just paid rent. All your items would be returned to you though, so no loss there (Well.. should be returned anyway) So.thats the main downfall really.. maybe even the only one lol _____________________ In-world, I am Okiphia Rayna. This account is an alt, and is the only account I currently have with payment info on-file due to some account cracking that took place. This is a security measure at present, and I may return to the forums as Okiphia Rayna at a later date. If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine
Xplorer Cannoli Cache Cleaner Join date: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,131	01-10-2008 09:12 From: Xplorer Cannoli sounds like your getting ripped off. let me add to that. I hit the button too quickly. With estate regions, many allow you to begin paying tier with no money down. 20k+ for something you do not own seems excessive to me, however the owner may be offering more than described here. _____________________ Region Names for a Themed Shopping Experience: New Region: Gifts Accessories, Art, Avatars, Cars, Clothes, Clothing, Fashion, Fashions, Furnishings, Furniture, Gadgets, Games, Gifts, Hair, Jewellery, Jewelry, Mall, Men, Money, Music, Pets, Shoes, Shopping, Skin, Skins, Something, Women, X Attractions: Explore our new park at HOME New Racetrack at CAR WEAPONS Region Now Open!
Shauna Daviau clearly has issues Join date: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 92	01-10-2008 09:17 The 26K is the price i am asking for the land i currently own if we were to move. _____________________ I used to lose my temper in arguments, until someone told me, "Cooler heads prevail." Thus began my collection in the basement freezer. -- John H. Crocker
Shauna Daviau clearly has issues Join date: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 92	01-10-2008 09:18 Also, let's say he boots us from his property in that scenario. Would he have to refund what we paid him for the land? _____________________ I used to lose my temper in arguments, until someone told me, "Cooler heads prevail." Thus began my collection in the basement freezer. -- John H. Crocker
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	01-10-2008 09:18 From: Shauna Daviau The 26K is the price i am asking for the land i currently own if we were to move. Advertise this part of your adventure in the land sales forum. _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Shauna Daviau clearly has issues Join date: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 92	01-10-2008 09:19 From: Raymond Figtree Advertise this part of your adventure in the land sales forum. Will do _____________________ I used to lose my temper in arguments, until someone told me, "Cooler heads prevail." Thus began my collection in the basement freezer. -- John H. Crocker
Okiphia Anatine Okiphia Rayna Join date: 22 Nov 2007 Posts: 454	01-10-2008 09:20 From: Shauna Daviau Also, let's say he boots us from his property in that scenario. Would he have to refund what we paid him for the land? Never. He can boot you immediately after you pay, and LL won't make him reimburse you, ever. Sux riet? _____________________ In-world, I am Okiphia Rayna. This account is an alt, and is the only account I currently have with payment info on-file due to some account cracking that took place. This is a security measure at present, and I may return to the forums as Okiphia Rayna at a later date. If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	01-10-2008 09:21 From: Shauna Daviau Also, let's say he boots us from his property in that scenario. Would he have to refund what we paid him for the land? LL does not get involved in resident to resident disputes. You would be out of luck. Choose your partners wisely. _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Milla Alexandre Milla Alexandre Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,759	01-10-2008 10:35 Tricky area to tread. Unless he groups the land and makes you an owner....but there again.... he can still take you out of the group at any time. So....it's really a matter of how well you know & trust this person. I would never ever partner on a sim with anyone except maybe family. I'd love to own my own sim....but until I can do it myself with no help.... I wouldn't even consider taking a gamble like that. It's bad enough I have 3 parcels of land on a private sim now LOL
Okiphia Anatine Okiphia Rayna Join date: 22 Nov 2007 Posts: 454	01-10-2008 10:36 From: Milla Alexandre Tricky area to tread. Unless he groups the land and makes you an owner....but there again.... he can still take you out of the group at any time. So....it's really a matter of how well you know & trust this person. I would never ever partner on a sim with anyone except maybe family. I'd love to own my own sim....but until I can do it myself with no help.... I wouldn't even consider taking a gamble like that. It's bad enough I have 3 parcels of land on a private sim now LOL you can't kick owners from a group actually.. I've tried. _____________________ In-world, I am Okiphia Rayna. This account is an alt, and is the only account I currently have with payment info on-file due to some account cracking that took place. This is a security measure at present, and I may return to the forums as Okiphia Rayna at a later date. If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine
Amulya Aabye Registered User Join date: 25 May 2007 Posts: 22	01-10-2008 11:14 True, but one could always set group-deeded land to sale to themselves and get it back.....group-deeding doesn't seem to be that much of a protection, right?
Okiphia Anatine Okiphia Rayna Join date: 22 Nov 2007 Posts: 454	01-10-2008 11:16 From: Amulya Aabye True, but one could always set group-deeded land to sale to themselves and get it back.....group-deeding doesn't seem to be that much of a protection, right? ooh..thats always annoying. But... hmm.. unless.. hmmm.. lol With mainland they would need the tier but not for a private estate =( _____________________ In-world, I am Okiphia Rayna. This account is an alt, and is the only account I currently have with payment info on-file due to some account cracking that took place. This is a security measure at present, and I may return to the forums as Okiphia Rayna at a later date. If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	01-10-2008 11:22 Is he serious about developing and maintaining it, does he have proper plans and any sense, or is this just a whim of his? Is he a reliable sort of type? Is he a good acquaintance or just somebody you know? _____________________ http://ordinalmalaprop.com/forum/ - visit Ordinal's Scripting Colloquium for scripting discussion with actual working BBCode! http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/ - An Engine Fit For My Proceeding, my Aethernet Journal http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/ - Second Life Griefbuild Digest, pictures of horrible ad griefing and land spam, and the naming of names
Shauna Daviau clearly has issues Join date: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 92	01-10-2008 11:38 He's a good friend, bought this one and if it goes well will buy more. This is his pilot project. He is reliable. _____________________ I used to lose my temper in arguments, until someone told me, "Cooler heads prevail." Thus began my collection in the basement freezer. -- John H. Crocker
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	01-10-2008 11:50 Well, if the person is trustworthy, it can go well. A friend of mine bought a sim. His group only really needed half a sim, so he approached my houshold and one other household about going in with him on it. In my case, the friend didn't ask for up-front fees. Just that I pay my fair share of the maintenance fees each month. Sweet deal, for me. However... If he got hit by a truck tomorrow, and couldn't work or make his part of the payments... I am SOL. It's the same anywhere, though, unless you own the land directly. If you buy or rent on a private sim, or rent on the mainland, you have a landlord, and that landlord has no regulation or 'fair business practices' rules to abide by in SL. Make sure he is capable of meeting his end of the deal, and that his plans don't include unreasonable assumptions like "Oh, I'll put a mini-mall in one corner, an' if I charge this much and fill every merchant space, I'll break even!" Never assume that paying tenants will fill the capacity of a sim. They rarely will. _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	01-10-2008 15:05 26k for 6144 waterfront? where?
Shauna Daviau clearly has issues Join date: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 92	01-10-2008 18:23 From: 3Ring Binder 26k for 6144 waterfront? where? circular ki. IM me in world _____________________ I used to lose my temper in arguments, until someone told me, "Cooler heads prevail." Thus began my collection in the basement freezer. -- John H. Crocker
FD Spark Prim & Texture Doodler Join date: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 4,697	01-10-2008 19:10 26k for 6144 waterfront? Hmm it's good price even if it isn't because standard price right now for regular land is about L$8 to 7 a meter right now. I just paid 9850 for 1024m2 twice for 2048 which was about 20700L. _____________________ Look for my alt Dagon Xanith on Youtube.com Newest video is Loneliness by Duo Zikr DX's Alts & SL Art Death of Avatar
Drivin Sideways 100% recycled pixels Join date: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 502	01-10-2008 19:24 From: Shauna Daviau circular ki. Isn't that a convenience store? _____________________
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	01-10-2008 22:07 From: Shauna Daviau circular ki. IM me in world i can't be inworld until tomorrow. i'll write then.
Chas Connolly Registered User Join date: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,433	01-11-2008 01:25 I don't get this. Are you talking about buying land that you won't own outright? And is the land you're selling on a private sim, so anyone who 'buys' it can still be evicted at the owner's whim? _____________________ Logic : The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding - The Devil's Dictionary
Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	01-11-2008 02:32 From: Milla Alexandre Tricky area to tread. Unless he groups the land and makes you an owner....but there again.... he can still take you out of the group at any time. So....it's really a matter of how well you know & trust this person. He doesn't even need to do that on an estate. The reclaim land button is just one click away.

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